This Game was a Building Block

bac2therac

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The biggest problem is Greg Schiano. More intent on playing a chess match with himself trying to will a 10-7 final score so purposely avoiding trying to score, who tries not to put an offense in position to win until its too late and the game is likely out of reach
 

bitnez

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I actually didn’t have a problem with the way GS coached this game until he didn’t take the late FG. It was 10-0 on the road with a QB who was playing poorly. If he doesn’t throw a killer INT it’s no worse than 10-3 at half. We played well in 3Q. Easily could’ve been a one score game late.

Also, let’s not ignore that Fickle wants to go up and down the field and handpicked his QB. You think he was happy his offense had 10 on us in the first half? Our defense is very good. That’s Schiano too.
 

MADHAT1

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Apr 1, 2003
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The biggest problem is Greg Schiano. More intent on playing a chess match with himself trying to will a 10-7 final score so purposely avoiding trying to score, who tries not to put an offense in position to win until its too late and the game is likely out of reach
you coach with the talent you have on the roster and have faith in.
Right now the Rutgers roster is not a real talented one and Schiano need to maximize
it's strength calling the game, while minimizing the weaknesses in order to have a better chance of winning.
Mistakes are made playing to conservative on the offensive end , but if the OL isn't one that can protect and open holes easily a wide open offense might prove more mistake prone
Especially if the QB hasn't proved ready for a staring role and just shows flashes of greatness along with looking , at times, like he still isn't ready to be the man.
 
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DHajekRC84

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you coach with the talent you have on the roster and have faith in.
Right now the Rutgers roster is not a real talented one and Schiano need to maximize
it's strength calling the game, while minimizing the weaknesses in order to have a better chance of winning.
Mistakes are made playing to conservative on the offensive end , but if the OL isn't one that can protect and open holes easily a wide open offense might prove more mistake prone
Especially if the QB hasn't proved ready for a staring role and just shows flashes of greatness along with looking , at times, like he still isn't ready to be the man.
Politely.. I think that's a load of...er copout.
 
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RUDivision

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you coach with the talent you have on the roster and have faith in.
Right now the Rutgers roster is not a real talented one and Schiano need to maximize
it's strength calling the game, while minimizing the weaknesses in order to have a better chance of winning.
Mistakes are made playing to conservative on the offensive end , but if the OL isn't one that can protect and open holes easily a wide open offense might prove more mistake prone
Especially if the QB hasn't proved ready for a staring role and just shows flashes of greatness along with looking , at times, like he still isn't ready to be the man.
Who’s job is it to recruit and develop a talented roster? You can talk to GS maximizing its strength by minimizing its weakness but he has played the same way regardless of who’s on his roster. It’s def on GS
 

Knight Shift

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The biggest problem is Greg Schiano. More intent on playing a chess match with himself trying to will a 10-7 final score so purposely avoiding trying to score, who tries not to put an offense in position to win until its too late and the game is likely out of reach
Can we talk special teams? There is nothing special about ours. FFS can someone return a kick or a punt? Botched long snap to punter. Doinked XP. Maybe Greg should dedicate a coach to that unit.
 

iReC89

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Losing by a little is not more fun then losing by a lot. Surprisingly it’s actually worse. We are almost as miserable as better teams that lose these games by a possession.
 
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brgRC90

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Losing by a little is not more fun then losing by a lot. Surprisingly it’s actually worse. We are almost as miserable as better teams that lose these games by a possession.
The team has improved enough to beat really bad teams easily--as opposed to barely beating them like last year--and enough to lose by less to middling teams--as opposed to being completely demolished, at least so far. That's not impressive halfway through year 4. That's improvement at a snail's pace.
 

Plum Street

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Halfway through the season, the only two losses are @Michigan and @Wisconsin. Many are complaining. Really an odd bunch..
Well true . But today was winnable and we didn’t even make a game of it really . I think many fans fear the season may be collapsing
 

devoted2ru

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The thing that's most frustrating with GW is his lack of consistency when it comes to accuracy. Sometimes he's so "on the money", but a lot of times that isn't in any way, shape, or form the case. I mean, you've got to at least put the ball where the receiver has a chance to make a play, (and I don't mean having to make some sort of "circus" catch), in order to try to move the chains.

Between Simon and Gavin, GW is the better athlete in terms of mobility. But that being said, from what I understand Simon was no slouch when it came to pulling down the ball and running in high school, so he does have some ability to gain yards on the ground if need be. And it seems that Evan, (at least from what we saw today), has the more reliably accurate arm.

Guess what I'm trying to say is that if Gavn isn't really in the flow of a game and performing effectively, (as at times it appeared vs. Wisky), I don't think you lose all that much by putting Simon in and leaving him in for the rest of that game. -Doesn't mean that Gavin has lost his starting job at QB in any way. It's simply that you're showing some flexibility and leaving in the player who seems to be more "on".
 
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newell138

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I actually didn’t have a problem with the way GS coached this game until he didn’t take the late FG. It was 10-0 on the road with a QB who was playing poorly. If he doesn’t throw a killer INT it’s no worse than 10-3 at half. We played well in 3Q. Easily could’ve been a one score game late.

Also, let’s not ignore that Fickle wants to go up and down the field and handpicked his QB. You think he was happy his offense had 10 on us in the first half? Our defense is very good. That’s Schiano too.
If he played for the FG at the end of the half people would have been going nuts. Easy to say now after we know the pick 6 is coming
 

bitnez

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If he played for the FG at the end of the half people would have been going nuts. Easy to say now after we know the pick 6 is coming

I didn’t say play for a FG. A college QB simply can throw that ball. That’s not on the HC, If Gavin threw it away and we don’t end up getting a TD on 3rd down and settle for QB I would’ve be ok with it.

EDIT: I meant he should I’ve take the FG in 4Q rather than going for first down. We needed 3 scored no matter what so you take the points to extend the game.
 

pmvon

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pmvon

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The team has improved enough to beat really bad teams easily--as opposed to barely beating them like last year--and enough to lose by less to middling teams--as opposed to being completely demolished, at least so far. That's not impressive halfway through year 4. That's improvement at a snail's pace.
It’s really year 3 given how late in the year he came in. His first true class are true juniors. Think about that. Given the train wreck he inherited for us to be talking about if this went right or that we could have beaten Wisconsin or even close to Michigan is a pretty remarkable feat. Forget about all you arm chair QBs who know how to play each down.
 

brgRC90

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It’s really year 3 given how late in the year he came in. His first true class are true juniors. Think about that. Given the train wreck he inherited for us to be talking about if this went right or that we could have beaten Wisconsin or even close to Michigan is a pretty remarkable feat. Forget about all you arm chair QBs who know how to play each down.
It's year 4. Stop making excuses.
 

RUShea

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Call me impatient if you will, but I've been hearing about building blocks for 20+ years. When do we actually beat someone of consequence? When do we get a coach that plays to win instead of not to lose?
So many other programs get competitive quickly. Teams with less talent beat better teams every weekend. Not us. We're always building. Three more years and we'll be good! Tired of Chop and Family or whatever. It's so frustrating to watch the same script play out over and over and we willfully won't make a change.
But I'll be there with y'all every Saturday watching the shitshow. Cheers!
 
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Call me impatient if you will, but I've been hearing about building blocks for 20+ years. When do we actually beat someone of consequence? When do we get a coach that plays to win instead of not to lose?
So many other programs get competitive quickly. Teams with less talent beat better teams every weekend. Not us. We're always building. Three more years and we'll be good! Tired of Chop and Family or whatever. It's so frustrating to watch the same script play out over and over and we willfully won't make a change.
But I'll be there with y'all every Saturday watching the shitshow. Cheers!
In two years we’ll beat someone of consequence. The QB needs to get better and throw more accurately.

Right now the WR Corp is weak, and struggles against better competition. Our best WRs are still in high school, Korey Duff and Ben Black.
 
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The team has improved enough to beat really bad teams easily--as opposed to barely beating them like last year--and enough to lose by less to middling teams--as opposed to being completely demolished, at least so far. That's not impressive halfway through year 4. That's improvement at a snail's pace.
To see accelerated improvement in a shorter timespan, you need impressive support . USC and Colorado bought the best team they could buy. We don’t have such luxury because we have to develop kids over the span of years. We also need better facilities such as the Fieldhouse, so we can upgrade recruiting.
 
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This was a winnable game. One we needed to get.
We blew the opportunity. Thankfully, there will be more this year. Get the next two, and we’re exactly where we want to be. Then all the November games are similarly tough opportunities. We’re in a race to get better. If the WRs continue to improve at the current pace, and Gavin gets a little bit better and throws a little more accurately,
we might have a chance to knock off someone in November. He was clearly off today.
 

Colbert17!

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This was a winnable game. One we needed to get.
Was winnable but not one we needed to get though it would have been nice. Our two losses this year are to the #2 team in the country and the team which will probably win the West and go to a NYD bowl. In neither game were we embarrassed to the level of losses in the past. This is progress.
For me the success of this season boils down to the next two weeks. These are games we need.