This is awful. Only 24 years old.

[HailStout]

Cowboys DE Marshawn Kneeland dies in apparent suicide at 24

Dallas Cowboys defensive end Marshawn Kneeland died Thursday morning from an apparent suicide following a police pursuit and vehicle crash, according to authorities.

www.espn.com

 

[Drebin]

Apparently suicide

Marshawn Kneeland Died From Apparent Self-Inflicted Gunshot Wound, Cops Say

TMZ Sports has obtained police dispatch audio connected to Marshawn Kneeland's death.

www.tmz.com

 

[Pars]

Awful

 

[dorndawg]

Sad, sad for all involved. Seems like as we're starting to learn more about mental health (seemingly, we've barely scratched the surface), it's also getting worse and harder for folks.

 

[Xenomorph]

Holy crap that sucks. Poor guy and poor family.

 

[Seinfeld]

It's devastating to be reminded so often that so many people feel this way

I don't know a thing about his life, but I know that the road to the NFL is a ridiculously difficult journey no matter how much god given talent you're blessed with, and it's terrible to hear about a guy that had climbed that entire mountain only to feel that he needed a way out.

I hope he found the peace that he needed, and god bless his friends and family

 

[eckie1]

Marshawn Kneeland Died From Apparent Self-Inflicted Gunshot Wound, Cops Say

TMZ Sports has obtained police dispatch audio connected to Marshawn Kneeland's death.

www.tmz.com

Allegedly texted family and friends goodbye, and was found in a potable toilet. My god.

 

[bulldoghair]

Sad to hear about #94! When the news of this broke, there were 94 days left before the Super Bowl. The Cowboys won the Super Bowl back in 94. This season started on 9/4 with the Cowboys in a kickoff game. They winning it all this year. Book it.

 

[Curby]

Mental health declined greatly in the US during the heavy-handed government Covid control 5 years ago.

 

[mstateglfr]

Mental health declined greatly in the US during the heavy-handed government Covid control 5 years ago.

That sure seems to be an inflection point - March 2020 thru June 2021.

It was relatively shortlived, yet seems to be a lasting and an obvious starting point for macro and micro examples.

It has been interesting to see how a relatively shortlived issue has had lasting impact on people's perspective and attitude on life and society, and disagnosable mental health issues as well.

 

[gtowndawg]

Terrible news

 

[bulldoghair]

Marshawn Kneeland Died From Apparent Self-Inflicted Gunshot Wound, Cops Say

TMZ Sports has obtained police dispatch audio connected to Marshawn Kneeland's death.

www.tmz.com

Allegedly texted family and friends goodbye, and was found in a potable toilet. My god.

He is also the first player on an active roster, suited up playing in season to ever die by suicide in the 4 major sport.

 

[onewoof]

I cannot help but wonder if he was just triggered by police or if he was so afraid of whatever he was doing wrong that his life was over

 

[eckie1]

I cannot help but wonder if he was just triggered by police or if he was so afraid of whatever he was doing wrong that his life was over

My doctor buddies think it was probably Chronic traumatic encephalopathy. Just based on the irrational behavior.

 

[paindonthurt]

That sure seems to be an inflection point - March 2020 thru June 2021.

It was relatively shortlived, yet seems to be a lasting and an obvious starting point for macro and micro examples.

It has been interesting to see how a relatively shortlived issue has had lasting impact on people's perspective and attitude on life and society, and disagnosable mental health issues as well.

Seems like we might learn a valuable lesson from this on what government should and shouldn't be doing.

 

[paindonthurt]

I cannot help but wonder if he was just triggered by police or if he was so afraid of whatever he was doing wrong that his life was over

If the police triggered him that bad, he either had very serious mental issues already or he was doing something wrong.

 

[Colonel Angus.sixpack]

He is also the first player on an active roster, suited up playing in season to ever die by suicide in the 4 major sport.

That would be Jovan Belcher

 

[Dawg1976]

Sad. You never know what’s going on in a person’s mind.

 

[mstateglfr]

Seems like we might learn a valuable lesson from this on what government should and shouldn't be doing.

Perhaps. I honestly dont know.
If nothing had been done, and exponentially more were seriously sick and/or died, would that have been 'better'? Would it have been better for the correlated increase in anxiety, depression, and nihilism?

You are trying to assign a simple viewpoint to something which is complex. Many states never shut down, barely enforced distancing requirements, and schools were only closed for the last couple months of Spring '20, yet there are examples of an increase in anxiety, depression, and nihilism in those states as well(I live in one).

That reality does not support what I know is your simplistic viewpoint.

Trump's Administration and Biden's Administration both did some really dumb things that were at best ineffective and at worst irresponsible and destructive.
Trump's Administration and Biden's Administration both did some really good things that helped reduce the negative impact of the virus on the health and economy of the country and world.

 

[paindonthurt]

Perhaps. I honestly dont know.
If nothing had been done, and exponentially more were seriously sick and/or died, would that have been 'better'? Would it have been better for the correlated increase in anxiety, depression, and nihilism?

You are trying to assign a simple viewpoint to something which is complex. Many states never shut down, barely enforced distancing requirements, and schools were only closed for the last couple months of Spring '20, yet there are examples of an increase in anxiety, depression, and nihilism in those states as well(I live in one).

That reality does not support what I know is your simplistic viewpoint.

Trump's Administration and Biden's Administration both did some really dumb things that were at best ineffective and at worst irresponsible and destructive.
Trump's Administration and Biden's Administration both did some really good things that helped reduce the negative impact of the virus on the health and economy of the country and world.

2 weeks to slow the spread!

it was very clear after a period of time that shutting down and keeping kids home from school was a terrible idea. But some of you persisted nonetheless!

congrats I guess

 

[eckie1]

If the police trigged him that bad, he either had very serious mental issues already or he was doing something wrong.

The timeline I’ve heard:

1. He was saying goodbye to family and friends, saying he was gonna kill himself.
2. The family called Plano PD, and they put out an APB
3. Plano PD finds him and a light pursuit begins. They give up when they lose him.
4. He crashes into somebody and flees the scene.
5. He is found laying unceremoniously in a portable toilet.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Depression is more serious than most people think.

 

[patdog]

Mental health declined greatly in the US during the heavy-handed government Covid control 5 years ago.

It’s almost as if scaring people sh*tless, keeping them under virtual house arrest, & not allowing them to work to earn a living has some negative effects.

 

[mstateglfr]

2 weeks to slow the spread!

it was very clear after a period of time that shutting down and keeping kids home from school was a terrible idea. But some of you persisted nonetheless!

congrats I guess

Yeah, this is a complex topic and based on extensive history, you struggle with nuance and complexity.

It is unfortunate because meaningful change rarely comes from simplistic views and claims.

 

[HailStout]

You guys took a thread about a young man killing himself and turned it into a political pissing contest. Congrats

 

[Lucifer Morningstar]

You guys took a thread about a young man killing himself and turned it into a political pissing contest. Congrats

I was just thinking the same thing. I mean come on guys we can not just say R.I.P. out of respect? I have often thought not to use the ignore feature, but this is a clear sign I was wrong.

 

[mstateglfr]

You guys took a thread about a young man killing himself and turned it into a political pissing contest. Congrats

My bad, I didnt view my comments as political though. They have been, to me, wonderings about why there seems to be a sustained increase in anxiety, depression, etc since the start of this decade. So quite topical.

I can't even figure out why it seems worse, so it'd be foolish of me to blame a group or side.
The unknown is quite frustrating.

 

[dawglawz]

Depression is more serious than most people think.

I've dealt with it most of my adult life. Knowing you have everything going for you but being unable to see through the darkness. It's a tough thing.

 

[dorndawg]

I've dealt with it most of my adult life. Knowing you have everything going for you but being unable to see through the darkness. It's a tough thing.

I thought the new Springsteen movie was an aight movie about him, but a very good look at depression. He was about as on top of the world as a person could outwardly appear, but inside he was struggling like hell.

 

[paindonthurt]

Yeah, this is a complex topic and based on extensive history, you struggle with nuance and complexity.

It is unfortunate because meaningful change rarely comes from simplistic views and claims.

Nah most problems are solved with simple solutions. You just gotta break down the problem.

I get it. You don’t have a good rebuttal to why we kept kids out of school for as long as we did.

just be a man and admit it!

 

[paindonthurt]

My bad, I didnt view my comments as political though. They have been, to me, wonderings about why there seems to be a sustained increase in anxiety, depression, etc since the start of this decade. So quite topical.

I can't even figure out why it seems worse, so it'd be foolish of me to blame a group or side.
The unknown is quite frustrating.

Everything you do is political

 

[paindonthurt]

You guys took a thread about a young man killing himself and turned it into a political pissing contest. Congrats

If the truth ends up being political it’s still the damn truth and she be spoken.

 

[mstateglfr]

Nah most problems are solved with simple solutions. You just gotta break down the problem.

I get it. You don’t have a good rebuttal to why we kept kids out of school for as long as we did.

just be a man and admit it!

I dont have a good rebuttal because I dont need to. I didnt advocate for that and dont need to defend it.
I could list reasons why states and school districts around the country stayed closed for longer, but those are well documented and easily found, and they are not me defending the decision to stay closed.

Mental health is complex. Feelings of anxiety, isolation, and depression are complex.
There is no way to know how much is a result of some states having some restrictions longer than other states 5 years ago. And again, states where in person learning was minimally impacted have also seen a rise in youth and young adult mental health concerns.

I encourage you to learn more about this.

 

[paindonthurt]

I dont have a good rebuttal because I dont need to. I didnt advocate for that and dont need to defend it.
I could list reasons why states and school districts around the country stayed closed for longer, but those are well documented and easily found, and they are not me defending the decision to stay closed.

Mental health is complex. Feelings of anxiety, isolation, and depression are complex.
There is no way to know how much is a result of some states having some restrictions longer than other states 5 years ago. And again, states where in person learning was minimally impacted have also seen a rise in youth and young adult mental health concerns.

I encourage you to learn more about this.

You defended when it was happening

would you like me to pull the receipts?

 

[mstateglfr]

You defended when it was happening

would you like me to pull the receipts?

F17S.
Schools all around me were back in person at the start of the school year in August '20, and many allowed students to choose in-person or remote, depending on family situation. That, to me, was quite reasonable overall. Districts across the state then closed when the reported transmission rate was over X%(I forget the amount). Schools closed constantly that fall. Again, that seems like a reasonable approach overall.
As for at a national level, if massive school districts were concerned with mass transmission, I could see that being a real issue. If teachers were concerned with their health, I could see that being a real issue.

Below are some comments from me about schools closing and opening due to the pandemic. No need to do the work, I did it for you. Rip on me all you want, I guess.
The first link is particularly funny, given your simplistic view of...well almost everything in life.

Here is me talking about my state and my school district in October '20. I offered up how some view certain decisions well and some view certain decisions negatively. I then say 'very little in all this is clearly right or wrong, but people keep trying to simplify a lot of policies and decisions as clearly right or wrong.' That is hilariously topical, seeing as how I happened to be pointing out that you are being overly simple in your views and claims in this thread.

Here is me saying I am not suggesting there be no in-person school in July '20.

Here is a thread I started where I complain about the lack of guidance from the Governor's Department of Education in June '20. At the end I say that I hate not being able to trust either side to lead in a way that puts citizens first. In the thread, I point out that Superintendents from across the state were frustrated because they couldnt receive guidance from the state on the biggest societal health incident of their lifetime. But nowhere do I demand schools be remote.

Here is me pointing out that the Republican governor decided to close schools across our state. That is Sept '22.

Here I say my state opened up faster than others and say that I dont know which decision will be best in the end. That is Feb '21.

 

[HailStout]

please lock it, mods

 

[bulldoghair]

please lock it, mods

Why? Why not just choose not to click on and read it? I haven’t even read any more yet I just clicked on it and saw your post. Why do you care if people read and participate in a random post thread? If you don’t personally like why not just move along and don’t read it? Why the demand for censorship?

 

[paindonthurt]

F17S.
Schools all around me were back in person at the start of the school year in August '20, and many allowed students to choose in-person or remote, depending on family situation. That, to me, was quite reasonable overall. Districts across the state then closed when the reported transmission rate was over X%(I forget the amount). Schools closed constantly that fall. Again, that seems like a reasonable approach overall.
As for at a national level, if massive school districts were concerned with mass transmission, I could see that being a real issue. If teachers were concerned with their health, I could see that being a real issue.

Below are some comments from me about schools closing and opening due to the pandemic. No need to do the work, I did it for you. Rip on me all you want, I guess.
The first link is particularly funny, given your simplistic view of...well almost everything in life.

Here is me talking about my state and my school district in October '20. I offered up how some view certain decisions well and some view certain decisions negatively. I then say 'very little in all this is clearly right or wrong, but people keep trying to simplify a lot of policies and decisions as clearly right or wrong.' That is hilariously topical, seeing as how I happened to be pointing out that you are being overly simple in your views and claims in this thread.

Here is me saying I am not suggesting there be no in-person school in July '20.

Here is a thread I started where I complain about the lack of guidance from the Governor's Department of Education in June '20. At the end I say that I hate not being able to trust either side to lead in a way that puts citizens first. In the thread, I point out that Superintendents from across the state were frustrated because they couldnt receive guidance from the state on the biggest societal health incident of their lifetime. But nowhere do I demand schools be remote.

Here is me pointing out that the Republican governor decided to close schools across our state. That is Sept '22.

Here I say my state opened up faster than others and say that I dont know which decision will be best in the end. That is Feb '21.

TLDR

Plenty of schools shut down for way too long. You know it and you know you justified it when people called it out.

Quit lying.

 

[paindonthurt]

please lock it, mods

Why? Bc you don’t like what’s being said?

 

[mstateglfr]

TLDR

Plenty of schools shut down for way too long. You know it and you know you justified it when people called it out.

Quit lying.

Haha, you 17ing clown.
Hiding being the lazy 'tldr' bs response.

I know some schools shut down too long. I have 17ing said that multiple times. You simply can't accept that I have said some schools stayed closed too long.

I also know that I provided you with links to stuff I posted, during the pandemic, that runs totally counter to what you claim is my view. It is unfortunate you aren't willing to read what I posted and choose to instead cling to what you want me to have posted.

That 18mo period was complex. You don't handle complexity well, as has been established, but it doesn't change the reality that it was a complex period of time.
There were very few clearly correct ways to handle the many novel situations we were tasked with handling. A lot was trial and error.