Miami alumni are RICH. I don't know if or how they support Miami monetarily, but it makes a difference. Mike's former teammates didn't make money in the NFL (though I hope they made millions in the real world).
This is more than a football problem
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Even in a thread on our own board we can't seem to get consensus on whether we need to spend more money or not. Let's screw around at the bottom of college football for another 100 years until we debate every nuance and check to see if we've magically caught up to everyone else in the meantime.
Well I think you can do that more effectively when at the head of your lobby is probably a lot of guys who played on National Champion caliber teams, won Heismans, before in some cases going on to HOF careers in the league. Now contrast that to some guys who played during the Terry Shea era trying to throw their weight around. No disrespect to those players of course.
Bit of a chicken and egg problem here. The top is installed by the voters. Question is do the voters in NJ care enough to get the right people in at the top. When it comes to the state university, more often than not that question is "no". Even more interesting is that those that get voted in end up being champions for Penn State and other non-NJ collegiate institutions.
Agreed although I think the dollar amounts have to be higher than what you stated, at least initially.
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Of course you are right. The big problem is Trenton and the Ru Admin.
There has to be leadership in Trenton that has passion for the State University of New Jersey and a vision for its future for both academics and sports.
Christie, Guadagno, Prieto, Greenwald and Sweeney seem to have very little vision for Rutgers other than the usual bureaucratic doublespeak.
Compare a speech from Kasich of Ohio who has a passion for the state of Ohio and Ohio State University and Christie who has a passion for his future political career and very little need for the state of New Jersey.
Our leaders are vision-less bureaucrats and they are the main problem.
Of course you are right. The big problem is Trenton and the Ru Admin.
There has to be leadership in Trenton that has passion for the State University of New Jersey and a vision for its future for both academics and sports.
Christie, Guadagno, Prieto, Greenwald and Sweeney seem to have very little vision for Rutgers other than the usual bureaucratic doublespeak.
Compare a speech from Kasich of Ohio who has a passion for the state of Ohio and Ohio State University and Christie who has a passion for his future political career and very little need for the state of New Jersey.
Our leaders are vision-less bureaucrats and they are the main problem.
Go tell that to Northwestern and they will strongly disagree . It can be done .
Maybe it's because many New Jersey kids go to school out of state. I never fully got Rutgers being the state university when I was in school. I just lumped it in with all the other state colleges and universities. It doesn't have the same importance as Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and Penn State. They thought enough of their state universities to name themselves after their state.
So lets do nothing? Make no investments? Just make no commitment and take the BIG money?
You do realize we accepted membership to a conference whose charter says members will strive for excellence in both academics and athletics?
Why did we accept membership if we were not even going to try to compete?
Sure we should and will try to compete, but with less athletic expense than the big boys. We can only spend what we can afford, and that's hiring a coach on the cheap on hoping for the best. This is fine...Hoke, Kiffin and Golden were expensive and didn't work out.
So true. People need to realize there's a premium to be paid for a la carte or customized services. If you don't want to pay for the overall experience, thereby spreading the cost out over a broader base, be prepared to pay more for the services only you (or a smaller segment of the population) want... economies of scale. Rutgers University should be viewed as a resource worthy of investment. There is so much potential to be tapped, the right way, if the state of NJ would stop cutting off its nose to spite its face.
No matter what our political affiliation, we need to start demanding support for our state university (among our other concerns) as a requisite for our votes.
Well looking for the diamond in the rough leads to bad hires. Getting someone "on the cheap"
I would have no problem if part of the PLAN was to rebrand the State University. Call it the The University of New Jersey. So long as the state promises to get on board with making it a top flight University in all aspects. This concept was thrown around in the early 90's I believe. It makes complete sense.
I would have no problem if part of the PLAN was to rebrand the State University. Call it the The University of New Jersey. So long as the state promises to get on board with making it a top flight University in all aspects. This concept was thrown around in the early 90's I believe. It makes complete sense.
Rutgers is a top flight academic university, but that is where it ends. Maybe you should just get out of the sports business or find yourself a Donna Shalala.
We've basically been given a franchise that if professional, would sell for half a billion dollars. The economic opportunity is huge. Yet we're met with short sighted, negative blockers at every turn.
It will happen despite the imbeciles. Too many factors lined up for it not to be hugely successful.
It will happen despite the imbeciles. Too many factors lined up for it not to be hugely successful.
It's all true. But we don't need EVERYONE to be TWICE as big as both schools mentioned. That's the market we're in. We already fill or nearly fill a 50,000 seat stadium seven times a year and outside people I see at games, I rarely meet a Rutgers fan up in NYC or Westchester. Yet they're all avid football fans.
Bottom line, I think the real short sighted bunch in the group is the B1G. We're part of the conference, we have the biggest market, we have a financially strapped University while they are all incredibly well funded schools. They claim to want the NY market, well, give us an equal share as an equal member of the league and watch what happens when we can pay Harbaugh/Meyer money to the HC. We'll onboard 10,000's of fans, donations will rise, viewership will rise, the whole thing will take flight.
I'll never understand why they want to bury us for seven long years when the market is here for the taking.
It's time you gave Delany something back for the begging that six of his AD's had to do with their university presidents to vote girl your admission. You'll get your share in due. Try to earn some of it first.
All you need do is look at the politicians efforts to gain control over Rutgers budget. Then remember what they did with UMDNJ when they had control there.
In fact, I think the UMDNJ merger with Rutgers is merely an attempt to insert their political lackeys who work inside UMDNJ into Rutgers administration structure.
So, that is the problem...like everything else in this state it comes down to graft, corruption and greed by the political machine.
That's why we cannot have nice things.
In fact, I think the UMDNJ merger with Rutgers is merely an attempt to insert their political lackeys who work inside UMDNJ into Rutgers administration structure.
So, that is the problem...like everything else in this state it comes down to graft, corruption and greed by the political machine.
That's why we cannot have nice things.
Mugs we might not have a very good team now, but I think having us in your conference (with this cable deal) is going to help the conference laugh all the way to the bank.
Are we grateful for the opportunity to be here? absolutely. If you really think we didn't bring anything to the table, talk to Mr Silverman and the BIG Network.
We are not even in the top half of our conference in Academic rankings. People need to stop trying to compare us to Ivy's, Stanford, Vandy etc... Hell we aren't even Clemson Academically right now.
Did you wear a helmet when you played? lol
Your intentions in the thread are great along with passion. But we aren't like any of those schools to begin with.
really if the issue starts at the top - should wait for Barchi to retire and be replaced by a president capable of managing a university with a division 1 athletic program. Firing Flood now and hiring a coach with significant decision making input by our current president will not produce good results.
"so long as the state promies
"so long as the state promises to get on board...." I wouldn't let let them walk my dog, let alone trust their promise.
Plenty of people in the Rutgers community love to compare RU with top academics institutions. It's laughable. We are a solid State University with a crap Athletic Department. Nothing more at this point.
Then compare us to our peers. Not the private schools (outside of Clemson, a land grant school - who btw regardless what some poll says it not better over all than Rutgers) you mentioned in your post.
Lets start building up instead of always tearing down on here.
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I would have no problem with this....only if the state gave RU $30m/yr for the naming rights so that we can level the playing field with the other big boys by using that $ in improving our facilities and athletic dept staff.
But no one in the state wants to pay for a winner...they just WANT a winner.
Why do you expect the state to pay for a winner? Ohio did not make Ohio State a winner. Michigan did not make U Michigan a winner. Pennsylvania did not make Penn State a winner. It was support from alumni that made those respective schools winners.
Our fans and alumni want Rutgers to be a winner as long as it's not with their money. We either accept the responsibility, or watch Rutgers Football die on the vine.
No, those states did not make them winners...neither did their alumni.
They built up their foundation to where it is now...to support 100k in the stands...with bowl money and free advertising from being in those bowls....and they have been doing it for 60-70 years!!!!
What about us? What do we have our hats to hang on?
Look, the alumni is a good start...but, that's not what's miraculously is going to turn us to into a juggernaut in football...or any other sport for that matter.
Even with your optimism and if you had luck to win $350m lottery and gave it all to RU...would that make us a winner tomorrow?
I think what rutgersal's point is that we don't have the head start and the history so the way we will have to do it will be the alumni way.
* Certainly not tomorrow but I bet sooner.
And my personal opinion is Bob Mulcahy came in with a great reputation
with what he achieved at the Meadowlands. And was able to get
us backing from people with money, fans, NJ coaches, NJ newspapers,
and I believe he really got us on the right track. He gave us better football,
facilities, sports academics, etc. I feel when he was forced out that was
the beginning of a huge step back. Now we have a leader who isn't allowed
to even talk in public, because she is always putting her foot in her
mouth, can't remember anything of the negatives surrounding her.
Yes like you said we need someone who can bring the different groups
together, ( politicians, faculty, students, local business, recruits.
I miss Bob. He will never get the credit he deserves. He is the Moe Greene of ADs.
I love that movie best ever, however I didn't get the connection, please enlighten me.
And in a nutshell, there it is in bold. People all over NJ are guilty of this.
Change that and we might be on to something.