This is not a hypothetical case.....

[MrKotter]

It's telling that folks in this thread assumed that the Marijuana ticket was ignored / unpaid. The OP left that ambiguous.

I assumed the guy paid it.

As for becoming a citizen. That's an expensive AND time-consuming process. If you're a small business owner supporting a family - do you have either the time or the money? Especially when you pay your taxes, have "anchor babies", and have a spouse who is a citizen?

Then let's look at the lens of victim blaming. This guy went to re-new his green card - legally and the normal process. Like he's done every year for the last 4 years. Seemingly no reason he should really be doing different since he was here for 30 years. He did what we tell him to. And he gets disappeared.

I genuinely don't know how you read all this and think this is a good thing without being a hateful, terrible person. If you feel offended by that, look in the mirror long and hard. Have an honest conversation with yourself. Not with the TV. Not with the internet. With you. You're happy with a family getting broken up, a small business shuttering, a wife and kids suffering, because of a ticket for a plant 20+ years ago that may or may not have been paid. You see that as justice. Is that the person you want to be? Is that who you were raised to be?

Who am I kidding - brain rot has ruined society and this is too many words and too introspective that all that will be said is something about me being long-winded.

What’s telling is your created assumptions about this situation and turning them into facts so you can blanket shame people on here
Fact is, dude had 29 17ing years to get his **** straight and didn’t. A permanent visa is not permanent. From the vague sob story it appears he valued convenience over the necessary steps required for citizenship. If the dude can throw down money for a Costa Rica trip he can throw down money on an attorney.

He 17’d up and now his family suffers. 100% on him from details laid out in the post. It’s amusing how you lefties blame “orange man” for absolutely everything instead of taking personal responsibility. Quit being whiny bitches

 

[L4Dawg]

Deporting illegals for DUI seems eminently reasonable to me. Maybe .08 BAC isn’t reasonable, but at the same time, as a guest you should probably be doing your best to strictly comply with the law. Too many instances of drunk illegal immigrants hurting somebody to view it as minor to me.

A permanent green card isn’t denied. It’s revoked and can only be revoked based on certain grounds and he should have been entitled to a hearing before revocation. If it was revoked coming back from Costa Rica when Biden was president, was he there long enough to give them grounds to claim he abandoned his residency? Was he there long enough that he missed his notice to appear? Did he not file a change of address? Was it actually revoked earlier and he just didn’t think about it until he tried to use his British passport to try to reenter the US (my guess as possession of scheduled drugs can be grounds of the amount is high enough).

not saying it isn’t a terrible approach and/or result at the end of the day, but I don’t think you’re getting the whole story.

It was revoked based on the weed ticket from when he was 18, he is in his 40s now.

 

[johnson86-1]

I’ve yet to hear one of these green card stories where a law wasn’t broken or a deadline wasn’t missed by the detainee.

And look.. I partly blame our country for the the heartbreak happening within families. Had we never turned a blind eye to the immigration fiasco unfolding over the last 50 years then we wouldn’t be here now having to clean it up.

1000% this. There is plenty of moral culpability to go around for people on both sides of the aisle going back 40+ years and an extra gigantic heaping of culpability for whichever pieces of **** in the Biden administration basically invited an invasion. And while it ended up not being consequential, especially 17 the people involved with the Border "compromise" bill that tried to basically codify the invasion and tie the executive branch's hands unless and until illegal crossings were exceeding historically high levels.

Biden's administration guaranteed that relatively innocent people would be caught up in deportations just by overwhelming the system by design and also creating the political backlash that people are willing to accept some terrible things if they view it as necessary to control illegal immigration.

 

[patdog]

I just got back from two vacations ..I visited the Middle East and Australia....if you think it is possible to get into those countries and stay without following their laws, you are crazy.... in Saudi Arabia, our bus was stopped and military got on the bus and while holding a machine gun asked to see my passport....in Australia, I personally saw a person hauled off by security for not declaring beef jerky in his carry on. I'm not sure if he was allowed entry but he was certainly detained ...so I don't have an iota of sympathy for any non citizen who is in our country and ignores our laws.

Honestly, with things I’ve seen from other countries (like what Australia did to their own citizens during Covid), I’d be real hesitant to leave the USA.

 

[Drebin]

Honestly, with things I’ve seen from other countries (like what Australia did to their own citizens during Covid), I’d be real hesitant to leave the USA.

in Europe they're throwing people in prison for telling jokes on social media.

 

[patdog]

in Europe they're throwing people in prison for telling jokes on social media.

Exactly. When Prince harry moved to LA, he was shocked that we had freedom of speech & that we would allow it. There’s a lot we take for granted in this country.

 

[L4Dawg]

What’s telling is your created assumptions about this situation and turning them into facts so you can blanket shame people on here
Fact is, dude had 29 17ing years to get his **** straight and didn’t. A permanent visa is not permanent. From the vague sob story it appears he valued convenience over the necessary steps required for citizenship. If the dude can throw down money for a Costa Rica trip he can throw down money on an attorney.

He 17’d up and now his family suffers. 100% on him from details laid out in the post. It’s amusing how you lefties blame “orange man” for absolutely everything instead of taking personal responsibility. Quit being whiny bitches

What telling is that he got it right and y'all didn't. This had been his status since he was a kid. Why would he expect it to be revoked many years later when he had ant been in trouble in over 20 years?

 

[johnson86-1]

It's telling that folks in this thread assumed that the Marijuana ticket was ignored / unpaid. The OP left that ambiguous.

I assumed the guy paid it.

As for becoming a citizen. That's an expensive AND time-consuming process. If you're a small business owner supporting a family - do you have either the time or the money? Especially when you pay your taxes, have "anchor babies", and have a spouse who is a citizen?

Then let's look at the lens of victim blaming. This guy went to re-new his green card - legally and the normal process. Like he's done every year for the last 4 years. Seemingly no reason he should really be doing different since he was here for 30 years. He did what we tell him to. And he gets disappeared.

I genuinely don't know how you read all this and think this is a good thing without being a hateful, terrible person. If you feel offended by that, look in the mirror long and hard. Have an honest conversation with yourself. Not with the TV. Not with the internet. With you. You're happy with a family getting broken up, a small business shuttering, a wife and kids suffering, because of a ticket for a plant 20+ years ago that may or may not have been paid. You see that as justice. Is that the person you want to be? Is that who you were raised to be?

Who am I kidding - brain rot has ruined society and this is too many words and too introspective that all that will be said is something about me being long-winded.

I think everyone is recognizing that some significant parts of the story were left out. Again, it wasn't the bad orange man that revoked his green card, it was the Biden administration (or at least it appears that way; possibly it had been revoked years earlier and he had just been living illegally until he left for Costa Rica and got snagged on trying to reenter). And mere possession doesn't cause your green card to get revoked. You still get a hearing regardless and there is an exception for first time offenders who have less than a certain amount (which I understand is basically you can't have more than a sandwich bag of weed).

The guy was grossly irresponsible if he wanted to stay in the country forever. I don't know how UK's passports work, but I assume over the course of decades he he went through the administrative headache of renewing it at least once. After getting popped for a marijuana charge would have been a great time to get serious about getting his citizenship. We certainly make it too hard for people to immigrate here legally and that should change, but he had to be willfully ignorant to not recognize the risk to him after catching a drug related charge. It's the equivalent of people not filing taxes. yes, our tax system is 17ed up and border line immoral, but just not even trying to comply doesn't elicit a lot of sympathy.

 

[johnson86-1]

So orange man is inhumane and morally bankrupt because his administration is enforcing the laws? Do you shed tears for all families torn apart by criminal acts or just this one? Families are destroyed and businesses are shut down on a regular basis due to crimes being committed and laws broken whether intentionally or maliciously.

To clarify, Orange man bad because the Biden administration revoked his green card.

 

[johnson86-1]

It was revoked based on the weed ticket from when he was 18, he is in his 40s now.

Revoked by the Biden administration four years ago? Or was it revoked prior and he decided to go on an international vacation while living here illegally?

 

[golferdog]

Applying for citizenship would have been a smart move. Not sure but it's probly a long process but in hindsight I bet he wishes he had.

Agree, and for those in the know, help me understand why would he (or any immigrant) not apply for citizenship if living & working in US since 1991? Has US Law made it too difficult?

 

[Drebin]

What telling is that he got it right and y'all didn't. This had been his status since he was a kid.

Yeah, I'll wait until you share the rest of the story that you're leaving out. But in the unlikely event that you have shared the entire story, it's still on the guy for not pursuing citizenship. Based on what you said, he likely had a deportation order in place.

 

[L4Dawg]

Agree, and for those in the know, help me understand why would he (or any immigrant) not apply for citizenship if living & working in US since 1991? Has US Law made it too difficult?

He grew up here. I assume he thought his status was permanent.

 

[Drebin]

Agree, and for those in the know, help me understand why would he (or any immigrant) not apply for citizenship if living & working in US since 1991? Has US Law made it too difficult?

Don't believe the nonsense. It's not difficult to pursue citizenship. It's not overly expensive. It's time consuming, sure. It requires a little work. But it's not difficult. I know several folks who have done it.

 

[grinningmule]

What telling is that he got it right and y'all didn't. This had been his status since he was a kid. Why would he expect it to be revoked many years later when he had ant been in trouble in over 20 years?

Why not pursue citizenship? That is the only question the guy should be asking himself right now.

 

[Drebin]

Revoked by the Biden administration four years ago? Or was it revoked prior and he decided to go on an international vacation while living here illegally?

This sounds a lot more plausible.

 

[L4Dawg]

Yeah, I'll wait until you share the rest of the story that you're leaving out. But in the unlikely event that you have shared the entire story, it's still on the guy for not pursuing citizenship. Based on what you said, he likely had a deportation order in place.

I'm not leaving anything out. I told what I know. As far as I know there was no deportation order in place. It wasn't like he was in hiding.

 

[L4Dawg]

Revoked by the Biden administration four years ago? Or was it revoked prior and he decided to go on an international vacation while living here illegally?

He has never been here illegally. He has had a green card up until he went to renew it this time. He grew up here.

 

[golferdog]

It’s not a good thing. But good honest people have been getting their green card non/renewed for decades. This isn’t something new. It’s always been way too hard to live in this country legally if you’re not a citizen. Immigration laws need to be changed & enforced.

He grew up here. I assume he thought his status was permanent.

Don't think so if he was applying for a green card, he knew it.

 

[ckDOG]

Shouldn't have been a bad hombre***

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

Trump: Taking out the trash! Trust in Trump!

They're going to keep cleaning this stuff up. If Congress wants to change the laws associated with citizenship, let 'em.

And, seriously, why would you not apply for citizenship if you wanted to stay here?

 

[MrKotter]

What telling is that he got it right and y'all didn't. This had been his status since he was a kid. Why would he expect it to be revoked many years later when he had ant been in trouble in over 20 years?

One man’s mistake isn’t another man’s problem. I feel for his family but this was 100% avoidable. Not orange man’s fault

 

[11thEagleFan]

That sucks for your family member. However, as many have stated, 34 years is a long time not to pursue citizenship, especially when you have kids here.

My best office employee has a unique take on this. She moved here to the US when she was 20 years old from Mexico. Didn’t speak a word of English. Enrolled at a local community college ESL program. Is now fluent in English. Bore great time and expense to become a citizen. Recently got her bachelor’s degree in Finance. Was so proud that she got to vote in the recent presidential election. You might be surprised at who she voted for. Her take is that people who come here illegally and/or just don’t apply for citizenship make it more difficult for people like her. Oh and she loves America.

If you really want to be upset, be upset with Congress for not passing meaningful immigration reform. They’ve only had 40+ years to do it. And I’m not someone who blindly supports Trump. In fact, I think his legal argument against birthright citizenship is one of the dumbest positions I’ve ever heard.

 

[L4Dawg]

34 years to become a citizen, but didn’t.
Poor decision.

Seriously asking, how does a non-citizen own and operate a legitimate business in a country in which they are not a citizen?

When they are a legal resident.

 

[DT4248]

You wrote a bunch of words passing judgement on people in this thread based on a post from someone telling one side of a story. And that someone routinely posts stupid stuff. And you call other people hateful and terrible?

IF the guy had his green card revoked, it wasn't because "Trump bad." It's because we are a country of laws and the law is finally being enforced.

You should probably go look in the mirror and ask yourself why you're such a garbage human and what you can do to improve on that.

#themoreyouknow

If the "law" commanded you to round up a certain race of people and put them in internment camps, you'd celebrate it as law and order.

......

I'm not even going to let you fall for the gotcha. That was a reference to America's history, not Nazi Germany. We're repeating ourselves. Except Latin America didn't even Pearl Harbor us.

Also following the law? We have a president with 34 convictions. People clearly pick and choose which laws are important. You ceded any right to stand on a moral high ground about laws if you voted for Trump. That's not opinion, that's just the choice you made.

So now that we've established factually that you're a hypocrite - go back to the mirror and rethink this "super good argument" you had. You lost again, kid. Uneducated generation like yours needed more paddlin' from your parents. Teach you how to act right.

 

[bulldognation]

 

[o_Hot Rock]

It's from my extended family and in-laws. He is English by birth and is a British Subject. His family moved here a long time ago when he was very young and he HAD a permanent green card beginning in 1991. He went to School and university here in the US. He IS an American. He had what has been described as a "weed ticket" in what he claims as his home state of Colorado.....20 something years ago. He had has no hint anything illegal since. He had a permeant green card since 1990 till four years ago. Then it was suddenly denied coming back from a family trip from Costa Rica four years ago. He has been here since on one year temporary green cards .He went back LEGALLY as has been routine to renew his card, and he was taken into custody by ICE. He is a long time small business owner which he basically operates his own service business. He has a wife and two kids.....who now have no income at all other than that business (carpet cleaning as if it matters, and HE was IT operating it.) If they deport him.....WHERE? He has never lived anywhere as an adult but HERE. These people are NOT criminals. They are EXAXCTLY the kind of people we want here.

Same can be said about the majority of brown skinned immigrants as well. They are here, working and less likely to commit crimes just living their lives. Why the hate for them is beyond me. Sure, the border needs to be secured but secure to me does not mean good hard working people can't come and work here or live. here.

 

[Drebin]

If the "law" commanded you to round up a certain race of people and put them in internment camps, you'd celebrate it as law and order.

......

I'm not even going to let you fall for the gotcha. That was a reference to America's history, not Nazi Germany. We're repeating ourselves. Except Latin America didn't even Pearl Harbor us.

Also following the law? We have a president with 34 convictions. People clearly pick and choose which laws are important. You ceded any right to stand on a moral high ground about laws if you voted for Trump. That's not opinion, that's just the choice you made.

So now that we've established factually that you're a hypocrite - go back to the mirror and rethink this "super good argument" you had. You lost again, kid. Uneducated generation like yours needed more paddlin' from your parents. Teach you how to act right.

You should've just written "I'm a dumbass" and saved some keystrokes.

 

[Villagedawg]

Green Card is temporary and can be revoked. Citizenship is permanent. . If you are planning on being here that long of a period just get your citizenship. Three or four years is one thing but 20? It cost $760.00 and a US citizen to sponsor you. That price can be reduced down based on income.

Umm. . .green cards are part of the permanent residency program (PERM). And, sure, it can be revoked. I don't think that's the issue. Whether or not it CAN be revoked. And deporting good, contributing people just so you can meet a number of deportations you promised and are having trouble finding that many hardened criminals that you claimed were here is not ok. It's messed up. No matter what the law says. I'm sure everyone here could be rightfully accused of breaking some law at some time. And 99% of us, even the law and order types, have never wanted pedantic strict by the letter of every law big brother enforcement. (We don't insist that every car going 66 get a ticket because, well, the law says 65) That's the whole idea of America.

 

[DT4248]

You should've just written "I'm a dumbass" and saved some keystrokes.

Your parents could have believed in contraception and saved the world from their failed attempt at parenting.

 

[Drebin]

Your parents could have believed in contraception and saved the world from their failed attempt at parenting.

You should definitely post your way through it. Maybe it will get better.

 

[L4Dawg]

I just got back from two vacations ..I visited the Middle East and Australia....if you think it is possible to get into those countries and stay without following their laws, you are crazy.... in Saudi Arabia, our bus was stopped and military got on the bus and while holding a machine gun asked to see my passport....in Australia, I personally saw a person hauled off by security for not declaring beef jerky in his carry on. I'm not sure if he was allowed entry but he was certainly detained ...so I don't have an iota of sympathy for any non citizen who is in our country and ignores our laws.

The thing a lot of y'all are missing here is he has been following our laws for over 30 years. The first George Bush didn't deport him, or revoke his legal residency when he got in trouble way back then. In fact, neither did Trump in his first term.

One man’s mistake isn’t another man’s problem. I feel for his family but this was 100% avoidable. Not orange man’s fault

if you grew up with a status that had held through a minor brush with the law why would you assume years later it would be revoked? I have no idea why he didn't pursue citizenship....but I do know inertia is a powerful force.

For the record Trump's stance on the border is correct. I do not oppose it. I also support common sense. This guy wasn't an illegal alien and has been here legally for decades, long after his weed ticket when he was 18. He was following immigration law as he was supposed to.

 

[DT4248]

This sounds a lot more plausible.

Story relying on several unknown assumptions assuming the worst in people you've never met or heard about before today: plausible

Trump has irrefutable mountains of evidence showing him being scum and even getting convicted: He's my Daddy president I love him. They're all made up conspiracies to bring the good man fighting for me down.

This is you. This is how your brain operates. Your parents failed bad.

 

[Drebin]

Story relying on several unknown assumptions assuming the worst in people you've never met or heard about before today: plausible

Trump has irrefutable mountains of evidence showing him being scum and even getting convicted: He's my Daddy president I love him. They're all made up conspiracies to bring the good man fighting for me down.

This is you. This is how your brain operates. Your parents failed bad.

1. The only person I assumed the worst in was you, who decided to pass judgement on everyone who dared to believe that there's obviously more to the story.

2. I said nothing about Trump. Pretty typical for TDS victims to pivot to that when they can't make intelligent arguments to support their stupid positions.

3. I called you a garbage human because at least on SPS, you say things that garbage humans would say.

I say again....be better.

 

[Podgy]

Only one criminal conviction? How's he supposed to run for president with such weak credentials.

I have a friend in a similar position who is unable to return to home country for safety reasons. He's a productive citizen, law-abiding, father of two with a stable family. His kids are Americanized. Meanwhile one of my relatives is on his 4th divorce, lives in a trailer park, is on and off of welfare because he occasionally works a job, doesn't see his kids and has personally kept Jack Daniels in business. We really need high-quality immigrants because we have a lot of citizens with low human capital.

 

[HailStout]

He’s getting ready

 

[dudehead]

I did not realize until now that a law abiding foreign national working in the US was not welcome unless they became a citizen. The collective American psyche has dramatically changed in my adult lifetime.

 

[Xenomorph]

Since we're all telling stories... there's a really good dude in my town from South Korea who runs a taekwondo business teaching kids and adults. Several years back he started the citizenship process and not long ago he became a passport carrying citizen of the USA.

Folks held a party for him and about 250 people showed up to celebrate.. me included.

I bet he's not scared to travel to Costa Rica.

 

[DT4248]

1. The only person I assumed the worst in was you, who decided to pass judgement on everyone who dared to believe that there's obviously more to the story.

2. I said nothing about Trump. Pretty typical for TDS victims to pivot to that when they can't make intelligent arguments to support their stupid positions.

3. I called you a garbage human because at least on SPS, you say things that garbage humans would say.

I say again....be better.

1. You assumed the worst in OP and their relative. Strike 1.

2. You've said it before and your company you keep (look at who likes your posts - it's a reflection of you - hint - not good) lends you to it. It's not TDS to point out an easy example of you being a hypocrite. It's just an easy slam dunk on your stupidity. Strike 2.

3. You just defined your moral compass as being guided by SPS. Wow. Let's just let that speak for itself. Strike 3.

Now. To teach you yet another lesson your father probably failed you - in baseball, three strikes means you're out. This isn't bowling. As much as your Daddy wants us to be a dictatorship like Turkey, you shouldn't celebrate 3 strikes. You should feel bad and actually do something positive, not just better, but literally positive.

 

[Bulldog from Birth]

Under normal circumstances, the Trump administration could’ve set up systems to consider and adjudicate special cases like this. Unfortunately, his predecessor was Joe Biden, who was completely derelict in his duty to maintain order at the border. Now we don’t have the time or resources to assess special cases like due to the millions and millions of unvetted foreigners Biden invited in during his failed presidency. I would blame Biden entirely for this.