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I feel for him, but we have to go back to being a polite society of law abiding citizens. A educated and informed voting public.

As a business owner, I have to follow the law / rules / regulations.......and so did he. And WE as a country should expect that and nothing less.

I hope everything works out for him, and maybe he is allowed the opportunity to continue to become a citizen, which sounds like he should have done long ago.

* I say the above as a self employed business owner
 
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skip dog said:
I feel for him, but we have to go back to being a polite society of law abiding citizens. A educated and informed voting public.

As a business owner, I have to follow the law / rules / regulations.......and so did he. And WE as a country should expect that and nothing less.

I hope everything works out for him, and maybe he is allowed the opportunity to continue to become a citizen, which sounds like he should have done long ago.

* I say the above as a self employed business owner
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He DID follow the rules. He wasn't an illegal.
 
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The thing a lot of y'all are missing here is he has been following our laws for over 30 years. The first George Bush didn't deport him, or revoke his legal residency when he got in trouble way back then. In fact, neither did Trump in his first term.

if you grew up with a status that had held through a minor brush with the law why would you assume years later it would be revoked? I have no idea why he didn't pursue citizenship....but I do know inertia is a powerful force.

For the record Trump's stance on the border is correct. I do not oppose it. I also support common sense. This guy wasn't an illegal alien and has been here legally for decades, long after his weed ticket when he was 18. He was following immigration law as he was supposed to.
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I know one thing. If I grew up in a country & planned to live there for the rest of my life, I’d damn sure become a citizen. And whatever attorneys he used to get/keep his green card should have advised him to become a citizen.
 
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horshack.sixpack said:
Nailed it. Could have expounded to inhumane and morally bankrupt but bad is good too. Go look in the mirror and ask yourself how much koolaid you’ve had if you genuinely think this is ok at all human level if you have an moral foundation and even at a good if the country level if you have any patriotism.
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He’s no more morally bankrupt than Clinton, bush, Obama, Hilary, Biden or Harris
 
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L4Dawg said:
He DID follow the rules. He wasn't an illegal.
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so did he have his citizenship? b/c what you started this thread off with leads me to believe he was not a citizen, and there is reason for him to have to go in front of a immigration judge..........and frankly, all that to say, and with compassion to him and his family.....if he allowed a "question" as to his immigration status to exist for a period of time, the burden lies on him, BUT, I also trust our system to provide him the opportunity to work it out as long as "his hands are clean" in other areas of his life in the US.

*And please understand, I know a good many that are here on work visas, and I respect what they do to provide for their families at home, and how they respect our country and how they abide by the laws of the US, and w/in the boundaries of their work visa, and it is my hope that we clean up the work visa process for applicants and employers, and also, insure that we have a more defined path for those that desire citizenship.
 
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skip dog said:
so did he have his citizenship? b/c what you started this thread off with leads me to believe he was not a citizen, and there is reason for him to have to go in front of a immigration judge..........and frankly, all that to say, and with compassion to him and his family.....if he allowed a "question" as to his immigration status to exist for a period of time, the burden lies on him, BUT, I also trust our system to provide him the opportunity to work it out as long as "his hands are clean" in other areas of his life in the US.

*And please understand, I know a good many that are here on work visas, and I respect what they do to provide for their families at home, and how they respect our country and how they abide by the laws of the US, and w/in the boundaries of their work visa, and it is my hope that we clean up the work visa process for applicants and employers, and also, insure that we have a more defined path for those that desire citizenship.
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He has been a legal permanent resident for decades. He is not a citizen. This isn’t that uncommon.
 
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Only one criminal conviction? How's he supposed to run for president with such weak credentials.

I have a friend in a similar position who is unable to return to home country for safety reasons. He's a productive citizen, law-abiding, father of two with a stable family. His kids are Americanized. Meanwhile one of my relatives is on his 4th divorce, lives in a trailer park, is on and off of welfare because he occasionally works a job, doesn't see his kids and has personally kept Jack Daniels in business. We really need high-quality immigrants because we have a lot of citizens with low human capital.
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“has personally kept Jack Daniels in business”

Not true because that’s my uncle. He’s personally funding their pension plan too.
 
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paindonthurt said:
And if you don’t leave the European Union after 90 days they don’t take it lightly when you do finally leave or try to come back.
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Unless you are a legal permanent resident. You are talking about a tourist VISA. That’s not remotely the same thing.
 
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I know one thing. If I grew up in a country & planned to live there for the rest of my life, I’d damn sure become a citizen. And whatever attorneys he used to get/keep his green card should have advised him to become a citizen.
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He got it when he was kid. He has been here legally that long.
 
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It's from my extended family and in-laws. He is English by birth and is a British Subject. His family moved here a long time ago when he was very young and he HAD a permanent green card beginning in 1991. He went to School and university here in the US. He IS an American. He had what has been described as a "weed ticket" in what he claims as his home state of Colorado.....20 something years ago. He had has no hint anything illegal since. He had a permeant green card since 1990 till four years ago. Then it was suddenly denied coming back from a family trip from Costa Rica four years ago. He has been here since on one year temporary green cards .He went back LEGALLY as has been routine to renew his card, and he was taken into custody by ICE. He is a long time small business owner which he basically operates his own service business. He has a wife and two kids.....who now have no income at all other than that business (carpet cleaning as if it matters, and HE was IT operating it.) If they deport him.....WHERE? He has never lived anywhere as an adult but HERE. These people are NOT criminals. They are EXAXCTLY the kind of people we want here.
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This sounds like one of those "stories" that people put out there for combating deportations. What's his name? If you can't prove it's a real person I dont believe it. But he should have applied for citizenship a looonnngg time ago.
 
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Boosh said:
This sounds like one of those "stories" that people put out there for combating deportations. What's his name? If you can't prove it's a real person I dont believe it. But he should have applied for citizenship a looonnngg time ago.
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I can promise you this has been going on for a long time under both Democrat & Republican presidents. Probably not to the extent it is right now though. But this is just a backlash against the flagrant abuses from the previous administration. We very much need comprehensive immigration reform.
 
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You said yourself he had been on a temporary green card for 4 years. I've never been in his situation but I feel like 4 years is plenty of time to figure that out. Especially since it was before Trump's deportation policies. And it probably would have cost less than a trip to Costa Rica.

My heart goes out to his family but its his job to get that taken care of.
 
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Puppers said:
You said yourself he had been on a temporary green card for 4 years. I've never been in his situation but I feel like 4 years is plenty of time to figure that out. Especially since it was before Trump's deportation policies. And it probably would have cost less than a trip to Costa Rica.

My heart goes out to his family but its his job to get that taken care of.
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Correct.

2 things can be true. It sucks but its still on him.
 
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L4Dawg said:
He has been a legal permanent resident for decades. He is not a citizen. This isn’t that uncommon.
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you answered the question......"residency" does not lead to full legal citizenship under our laws (and other nations laws for that matter). I understand that it is painful to watch this happen, but there was a process that he was burdened with following, and he chose not to follow the legal process, and he got caught. Maybe his immigration judge will see that a path still remains for him to become a citizen and you can sponsor him, and everything will work out, and this will be just a momentary bump in the road in life..........(which we have all had "bumps in the road" in life).

Sincerely, best of luck to your friend and this moment in his life
 
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Death Rattle said:
Article by the Cato Institute says as of June 4…

65 Percent of People Taken by ICE Had No Convictions, 93 Percent No Violent Convictions​


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So? Other than the fact they were in the country illegally to start with, they were just basic law abiding residents huh? I mean other than that whole entering the country illegally thing which is illegal, a crime, but whatever.
 
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