This is not a hypothetical case.....

[mstateglfr]

I mean, the fact that he got you to post that criminal trespass is wrong while you’re debating the merits of illegal entry is actually a pretty good trap that you stepped right into.

Have you read the thread?
I have said over and over again that I am fine with deporting people who are proven to be in the US illegally.
And I have never viewed criminal trespassing as OK. Nothing was posted that was actually revealing.

- Entering the US illegally for the first time is a misdemeanor, and I have said that multiple times too.
- That isn't the case for illegally entering the Capitol. I didn't create the laws and distinctions, I am just pointing them out.

 

[RotorHead]

All that to say, he’s lived here his entire life but retained his British citizenship…..a truly permanent green card would also be called citizenship, so his temporary permissions for residence have been rescinded…..so, he’s an illegal by definition and subject to any type of deportation or affiliated consequence. It’s on him for not following the law(s) of the country he’s been living in

 

[ckDOG]

Communist slash socialist

how’s that?

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/trump-weighs-taking-stake-intel-bloomberg-news-reports-2025-08-14/

17ing socialist dems***

Y'all have to stop playing sides. Both sides playing their idiot supporters for fools. Ain't no free market party.

 

[Perd Hapley]

I guess it depends on the verbiage in the law. Are those only offenses if committed against fellow "citizens" or do they specify "human being"

For the record, the “verbiage of the law”….aka the Constitution….applies to all of the above, if they are physically located inside the United States.

Of course, this explanation for you is kind of pointless….much like if I wrote out the instructions for pouring piss out of a boot. Anyone who possesses such an elite combination of ignorance and stupidity that they’d even need the instructions in the first place - by default - do not have the capacity to understand them and/or believe them. A Catch-22 if you will.

Have a nice day.

 

[grinningmule]

For the record, the “verbiage of the law”….aka the Constitution….applies to all of the above, if they are physically located inside the United States.

Of course, this explanation for you is kind of pointless….much like if I wrote out the instructions for pouring piss out of a boot. Anyone who possesses such an elite combination of ignorance and stupidity that they’d even need the instructions in the first place - by default - do not have the capacity to understand them and/or believe them. A Catch-22 if you will.

Have a nice day.

You use your mouth perdier than a 20 dollar ***** Mr. Hapley but I suspect you are probably much cheaper.

Maybe one day you will be strolling around the “mean” streets because you have an overwhelming urge to suck a cock and by happy coincidence you could use an extra five bucks. You find yourself a fine, brown Latino and after wiping your lips upon conclusion, you tuck your five bucks in little cell phone wallet. Unknown to you, your trick is an illegal from Chihuahua who suddenly shouts “Viva La Mexico puta”, grabs your phone and wallet and kicks you out of his car. You are walking down the street, humiliated but yet confused because you should be shamed and fearful, but after all you did get to suck that cock so your feelings are swirling like a tempest.

You suddenly hear an engine roar because the illegal trick has decided to run you down Grand Theft Auto style. After running you over, he sees you are still alive and slits your throat but also decides to **** your sexy *** while you bleed out.

He is arrested and gets his due process but lucks out and lands a jury entirely made up of bleeding-heart liberals and immigration activists. They basically decide, **** old Perd Hapley. This poor, Mexican undocumented immigrant sacrificed everything to get to this country to be able to rob and kill Americans; I mean damn, aren’t we all immigrants and isn’t that the American dream? Not Guilty.

So, as your fading spirit hovers above the courtroom, you are sad that yes, you are dead at the hands of someone who shouldn’t have been in the country to start with but on the other hand, he did get his due process and you did get to suck that fine example of prime Mexican brown snake.

The End.

 

[3407Dewey]

Not that anyone asked but here's my take:

• There is a long history of both parties being unwilling to work with the other to fix immigration. It's a completely broken system, and neither party has been willing to try to solve it.
• What Biden did in his first 3 years as president was completely unforgivable. His administration acted like a porous border was either not a problem or was not happening. No one knows how many streamed across but it was likely over 10 million.
• Who is likely to cross the southern border? For most of the last 4 decades, it was largely skilled or semi-skilled laborers looking to make a better life for their families. The cartels and corrupt politicians in their home countries had made life almost unlivable for the average person just wanting to make an honest living. In the last 5 years, however, due to lax border security, there have been increasing numbers of bad actors also coming across. MS-13 and other gangs have appreciated poor border enforcement.
• Immigration enforcement was one reason Trump won in 2024. I think what most people had in mind was going after the criminal element. Arresting working people without any history of criminal activity, pulling grandmas off the street, masked dudes without uniforms throwing people in unmarked vans - that's not what most of us signed up for.
• Anyone who thinks you can get US citizenship just by asking for it and paying $750... no offense, but that's 17ing ridiculous. Trump says there's a waiting list for his "gold card" which costs $5 million. Do you honestly think that people would line up to pay $5 million for something they can get for $750?? I know of two guys personally who have been here working for decades and each have spent over $15,000 in legal fees trying to get citizenship. One guy says he now thinks it's a racket, and won't try anymore. He has an American flag on his truck, owns a business in south MS employing over 10 people, and is a good honest dude. He would give anything to be an American citizen.
• If you look at the birthrate of native born Americans, it's pretty clear that we need immigrants. I won't be collecting social security for close to 20 years, but without immigrants paying into the system it will go bankrupt long before I ever collect.
• This idea that illegal immigrants are just sponging off our resources and not contributing is not true for 95%+. Immigrants are a net gain to our country. Watch a house being built, watch a crew doing concrete work, etc. Those are some of the hardest working people you'll ever see. They bust their arses and play by the rules and just want to live in a place where hard work is honored. I honestly don't know anyone - white or black or what-have-you - who works as hard as the central American immigrants I've been around. I teach college and the immigrant students I teach are the least entitled.
• Then you also have the small percentage of illegal immigrants who came here to do harm. It's a very real thing. "Sanctuary cities" who arrest and then let these people go time after time, it's no wonder ICE has to come in and put a stop to that. If you are here illegally and commit a violent crime, you need to be deported asap.

What I would love to see is a commonsense approach to fixing our immigration system. It needs to be easier for skilled hard-working people to immigrate with a path to citizenship, and impossible for anyone else to.

 

[dawgstudent]

Interesting read. Great points all around.

 

[paindonthurt]

I mean, the fact that he got you to post that criminal trespass is wrong while you’re debating the merits of illegal entry is actually a pretty good trap that you stepped right into.

And now he’s gonna try and change the subject

 

[paindonthurt]

- Entering the US illegally for the first time is a misdemeanor, and I have said that multiple times too.

Entering the capitol “illegally” is a misdemeanor in almost every instance except for J6

here fishy fishy fishy

 

[paindonthurt]

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/trump-weighs-taking-stake-intel-bloomberg-news-reports-2025-08-14/

17ing socialist dems***

Y'all have to stop playing sides. Both sides playing their idiot supporters for fools. Ain't no free market party.

zohran mamdani

 

[grinningmule]

zohran mamdani

Democrats might just get their beloved example of "Real" Communism.

 

[mstateglfr]

Entering the capitol “illegally” is a misdemeanor in almost every instance except for J6

here fishy fishy fishy

Many people who entered the Capitol on J6 were charged with misdemeanor trespassing.

WT17 are you trying to prove here? You have brought up a bunch of complaints that are semi-related to illegal immigration and others that are totally unrelated...and I don't think you know what your actual point is.

You just continue to complain about something new as soon as your prior complaint is shown to be misrepresented, or a flat out lie, or due to you misunderstanding laws.

 

[paindonthurt]

Many people who entered the Capitol on J6 were charged with misdemeanor trespassing.

WT17 are you trying to prove here? You have brought up a bunch of complaints that are semi-related to illegal immigration and others that are totally unrelated...and I don't think you know what your actual point is.

You just continue to complain about something new as soon as your prior complaint is shown to be misrepresented, or a flat out lie, or due to you misunderstanding laws.

my point is clear. You are a hypocrite

 

[grinningmule]

Not that anyone asked but here's my take:

• There is a long history of both parties being unwilling to work with the other to fix immigration. It's a completely broken system, and neither party has been willing to try to solve it.

Started with the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 and then followed by the desire to let cheap labor that could potentially become dependent voters pour across the border.

• What Biden did in his first 3 years as president was completely unforgivable. His administration acted like a porous border was either not a problem or was not happening. No one knows how many streamed across but it was likely over 10 million.

And it was by design. They knew how hard it would be to deport them all.

• Who is likely to cross the southern border? For most of the last 4 decades, it was largely skilled or semi-skilled laborers looking to make a better life for their families. The cartels and corrupt politicians in their home countries had made life almost unlivable for the average person just wanting to make an honest living. In the last 5 years, however, due to lax border security, there have been increasing numbers of bad actors also coming across. MS-13 and other gangs have appreciated poor border enforcement.

True.

• Immigration enforcement was one reason Trump won in 2024. I think what most people had in mind was going after the criminal element. Arresting working people without any history of criminal activity, pulling grandmas off the street, masked dudes without uniforms throwing people in unmarked vans - that's not what most of us signed up for.

Exactly what I signed up for, I want them all gone.

• Anyone who thinks you can get US citizenship just by asking for it and paying $750... no offense, but that's 17ing ridiculous. Trump says there's a waiting list for his "gold card" which costs $5 million. Do you honestly think that people would line up to pay $5 million for something they can get for $750?? I know of two guys personally who have been here working for decades and each have spent over $15,000 in legal fees trying to get citizenship. One guy says he now thinks it's a racket, and won't try anymore. He has an American flag on his truck, owns a business in south MS employing over 10 people, and is a good honest dude. He would give anything to be an American citizen.

True. It is an expensive and arduous process for those doing it correctly. It is also the reason they are so thankful once receiving citizenship. Others that get fast tracked due to "circumstances" are not nearly as grateful.

• If you look at the birthrate of native born Americans, it's pretty clear that we need immigrants. I won't be collecting social security for close to 20 years, but without immigrants paying into the system it will go bankrupt long before I ever collect.

True. We need immigration and we need to encourage native birth rates. What we don't need is to try and import large populations from every third world ******** country on the planet.

• This idea that illegal immigrants are just sponging off our resources and not contributing is not true for 95%+. Immigrants are a net gain to our country. Watch a house being built, watch a crew doing concrete work, etc. Those are some of the hardest working people you'll ever see. They bust their arses and play by the rules and just want to live in a place where hard work is honored. I honestly don't know anyone - white or black or what-have-you - who works as hard as the central American immigrants I've been around. I teach college and the immigrant students I teach are the least entitled.

Washing machines work hard too. I've seen good work by those very crews you speak of and I have seen horrible work. I've been in several countries and have seen the native construction quality and don't want it here. Fast and cheap isn't usually good. Slavery is wrong and that is nothing but economic slavery. We shouldn't even have that kind of incentive for people to cross illegally. Those same people remit most of what they make back to their home countries which are the countries who benefit the most from their labor.

• Then you also have the small percentage of illegal immigrants who came here to do harm. It's a very real thing. "Sanctuary cities" who arrest and then let these people go time after time, it's no wonder ICE has to come in and put a stop to that. If you are here illegally and commit a violent crime, you need to be deported asap.

True.

What I would love to see is a commonsense approach to fixing our immigration system. It needs to be easier for skilled hard-working people to immigrate with a path to citizenship, and impossible for anyone else to.

True. Anyone even considered for citizenship must prove they can support themselves, speak English and renounce, under oath citizenship and all loyalty to their home country. We have fricking people in Congress who openly put their home countries above America.

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

I didnt ask about where I fall on your list of people to care about, but it is noted that I am below Sasquatch.

As for differences between being detained and being booked, yes I agree those are different. The article continually uses 'detained' when referring to the group that represents the numbers, which is why I brought up the clarification request.

"New nonpublic data from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) indicate that the government is primarily detaining individuals with no criminal convictions of any kind."

"ICE detains very few serious public safety threats.
ICE Book-Ins by Criminal Conviction, FY 2025 as of June 14"

"ICE is detaining far more immigrants who have no convictions or criminal charges"

"Convicted criminals account for just 29% of the increase in people detained by ICE since January"

Holy 17. They're not immigrants, they're, illegal aliens. They haven't been convicted before because they haven't been caught before or the dumbass democratic prosecutors and police have just let them go or not even arrested them. Every time I think you cant get any dumber, you prove me wrong.

 

[Fritz!]

I guess it depends on the verbiage in the law. Are those only offenses if committed against fellow "citizens" or do they specify "human being", "sentient, intelligent beings", etc? Which brings up the moral quandary of hunting Sasquatch; He is obviously intelligent enough to stay hidden all these years but is he really sentient and human like or just a smart animal? Of course laws against the abuse of animals could apply but are they harsh enough if you go out stalk and kill a Sasquatch? It really spins my moral compass.

 

[mstateglfr]

my point is clear. You are a hypocrite

About what?
You have claimed that multiple times in this thread and it has yet to make sense.

Meanwhile, you straight up agreed you hold hypocritical views...so why would it matter to you if others do as well?

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Jesus ban long-term green cards. Make them renewable annually like most professional licensing. And legalize weed.

 

[mstateglfr]

@MagnoliaHunter -

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

You provided some ideological bullshlt. They didn't have someone standing at the border with a clicker. Millions came in unchecked. This isn't even an arguable point, and yet you argue.

You've been on here a long time, yet you are just now realizing this. I thought you were smarter than that.

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

my point is clear. You are a hypocrite

you misspelled 17ing idiot.

 

[paindonthurt]

About what?
You have claimed that multiple times in this thread and it has yet to make sense.

Meanwhile, you straight up agreed you hold hypocritical views...so why would it matter to you if others do as well?

I’ve made it clear but you just dance around it.

illegal immigration is bad
You admitted it

send them back. Bye!

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

@MagnoliaHunter -

At least I wear men's cologne.

 

[mstateglfr]

I’ve made it clear but you just dance around it.

illegal immigration is bad
You admitted it

send them back. Bye!

Holyshit, that didn't explain what is hypocritical about anything I have said.

I agree illegal immigration is bad...how is that hypocritical?

 

[paindonthurt]

Holyshit, that didn't explain what is hypocritical about anything I have said.

I agree illegal immigration is bad...how is that hypocritical?

Those poor illegals and their due process

Those crazy J6ers got what they deserved!!

 

[mstateglfr]

Those poor illegals and their due process

Those crazy J6ers got what they deserved!!

Oh my gosh, I have addressed this.

Both groups must receive Due Process. If people in either situation did not receive Due Process, that is a concern. I am not OK with people's right to Due Process being ignored, abd therefore violated.

That can't be made any clearer. There is 0 hypocrisy in my position.

As already stated, you seem to not know there is a difference between Due Process and wrongful conviction.

Lastly, your position on this is hypocritical since you want to ignore Due Process for some groups but not others.
The very thing you are inconsistent on is what you are claiming I am inconsistent on.

This is bonkers.

 

[Puppers]

I provided a chart with numbers which shows there was no exponential increase under Biden. The increase was quite small.

The chart you posted stops at 2022 and estimates that 10.9 million illegal immigrants were living in the US. In 2023 the estimate was 11.7 million.

US Undocumented Population Increased to 11.7 Million in July 2023: Provisional CMS Estimates Derived from CPS Data - The Center for Migration Studies of New York (CMS)

The sharp rise in arrivals at the U.S. southern border has added extra urgency to questions about the size and growth of the undocumented population.

cmsny.org

An increase of 800,000 in one year.

 

[mstateglfr]

The chart you posted stops at 2022 and estimates that 10.9 million illegal immigrants were living in the US. In 2023 the estimate was 11.7 million.

An increase of 800,000 in one year.

Thanks for adding to the discussion. Yes, the chart I provided stopped in '22. It wasn't chosen because of that. It was chosen because it provided annual historical numbers to show how this has been an issue for decades, and was an issue under Republican presidents too.
I wanted to show that because it was incorrectly claimed earlier in the thread that this is a problem due to Democrat presidents.

That large jump between '22 and'23 tracks with what I certainly noticed in that time, based on media reports.
When I said the jump was small, I was comparing '22 numbers to numbers from a couple decades ago, to be clear.

Your additional info helps clarify that another often repeated claim in this thread is also total BS.
It's been claimed that 20MM entered under Biden. It was also claimed that 10MM entered under Biden.

Alongside other numbers I provided, your report that shows 800K came in one of his years helps show that 20MM and even 10MM coming in 4 years isn't what happened.

Illegal border crossings are a real issue. It is a serious issue.
There is no need for people to imagine up numbers when the real numbers are concerning enough.

 

[blacklistedbully]

I'm not gonna be nice to you. Your post is literally the definition of zero awareness or empathy. It's incredibly stupid.

$725 + extras significantly increasing the cost is EXPENSIVE.

Most estimates have it in a broad range, but somewhere between 30% to 70% of people in America live PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK. They don't just have $725 + change to drop.

How you read that excerpt and came to the wrong conclusion shows a distinct level of stupidity. Your critical thinking skills are broke. Not everyone has the same level of income as you or had the same opportunities to save up as you. It's actually a word that will probably trigger a sjw snowflake like you: Privilege.

Now your only rebuttal left will be "word length". As shown earlier in this thread - it's a telling level of low intelligence when the response is "too many words - i'm too dumb to read" and that's supposed to insult me.

In conclusion, you're an idiot. You're also not a morally good person. Don't respond, just read this a few times until maybe something clicks for you and you develop at least one iota of critical thinking.

The day I start giving credence to the opinion of a woke imbecile like you is the day hell freezes over. Want to know what is a sign of ignorance? You assuming things about me to fit your narrow viewpoint...things that are incorrect, btw.

Calling me a sjw? Are you serious?? Cleary it is you who is the social justice warrior. I've been dealing with you wackos out here in California for decades. The vast majority of you are the most intolerant people I've ever met...by far!

Another "sign of low intelligence" is your stating I'd come back with a "TLDR", "word length" tactic when nothing I have posted indicates that would ever be my approach. In fact, I'm the one who gets accused of making posts that are too long to read, so I guess we can chalk that one up to one of the stupid assumptions you've made about me.

As far as $725 + being too much, that's usually BS as well, given it's a one-time expense, and I'm guessing to any immigrant who values living here long term, there is a way to raise or save that much over a 5-year period. Poor souls might have to temporarily drink water instead of booze or soda for a while, or not go out for pizza or fast food for a few months.

As far as my privilege goes, I didn't have mine paid for. I earned academic scholarships and got student loans that I had to pay back by working and sacrificing for a while...cutting down on frivolous spending, taking on roommates to share living expenses, etc., until I could afford to be on my own and buy what I wanted to buy, etc.

"Somewhere between 30% to 70% live PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK"? Way to narrow that down to a relevant statistic, dumbass! Why not just stretch that out to "somewhere between 1% and 99%"? Or how about, "as much as 70% of people in America do not have to live paycheck to paycheck"?

BTW, I've been there before myself, paycheck-to-paycheck. Once after having to close down a business I ran where I employed 4 people. I took out a loan using my home as collateral so I could give every one of them an extra 3 months time to find a new job.

On another occasion I spent $ thousands and invested months of my time to help a disabled Vietnam vet get his home repaired, arrange for him to get meals delivered, at-home nursing care, etc. Helped him get his finances in order, and spent countless hours visiting and even helping him work out to improve his health, since he was not far from death when I discovered what had happened to him.

I'm the kind of guy who routinely buys meals for homeless people I see on the street. I've volunteered for countless support groups, including the Autism Society, AIDS Foundation, Food Bank and more. But sure...I'm not a "morally good person" like you, perhaps because I did & do my helping of my fellow man by giving of myself without seeking recognition via "virtue-signaling" and demanding others give to the same things I believe in supporting.

I do them because they are the Christian values I subscribe to, not because I can get likes on some idiotic Tik-Tok, Twitter, or Facebook post from people whose definition of morality is so skewed and twisted as to be an absolute joke!

In conclusion (though I could easily spend more time attacking your ignorant comments), you're an idiot. You're not a morally good person. Don't respond, just read this a few times until maybe something clicks for you and you develop at least one iota of critical thinking.

PS -Anytime you want to compare critical thinking skills or intelligence, bring it on, cupcake! Embarrass yourself some more...dig that hole deeper.

 

[Ranchdawg]

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Oh my gosh, I have addressed this.

Both groups must receive Due Process. If people in either situation did not receive Due Process, that is a concern. I am not OK with people's right to Due Process being ignored, abd therefore violated.

That can't be made any clearer. There is 0 hypocrisy in my position.

As already stated, you seem to not know there is a difference between Due Process and wrongful conviction.

Lastly, your position on this is hypocritical since you want to ignore Due Process for some groups but not others.
The very thing you are inconsistent on is what you are claiming I am inconsistent on.

This is bonkers.

The biggest difference I see is J6 were and in some cases still are in jail waiting on due process while illegal immigrants were free until ICE finds them and they get due process right away.

 

[mstateglfr]

The biggest difference I see is J6 were and in some cases still are in jail waiting on due process while illegal immigrants were free until ICE finds them and they get due process right away.

J6 people were also free until they were found.

If you think all the people picked up by ICE have 'gotten due process right away', you are either highly uninformed or highly misinformed.

 

[msualohadog]

I work in an Atlanta high school of 2,800 students that is roughly 70% Hispanic. I interact with hundreds of kids and families daily. They are wonderful people; family oriented, hard working, conservative Christians (Ironic, huh?). Each family has a story to tell and it is sad when the outcome doesn't help the kid.

Over the past several years I've wrestled with this subject. That said, I have come to this conclusion. The most humane, moral, and ethical way to handle this horrible issue is to be very prudent about who we let into the country.

 

[johnson86-1]

It is bhullshit to say what is happening now is the result of other presidents.
What is happening now is because Trump and his Administration want it to happen.

- Deporting people without Due Process is because Trump allows it to happen.
- The tacky and cringe social media posts that celebrate unnecessary cruelty is because Trump allows it to happen.
- ICE roundups of people without criminal records is because Trump allows it to happen.

Once again, two wrongs don't make a right.

This is just disingenuous and full of ****. There is no way for us to effectively deal with 10 million new illegal immigrants without tragedy occurring. They overwhelmed the system in purpose in the hopes people would just throw up their hands and say oh well, buss we have 10 to 20 million new illegal immigrants here permanently.
I’m sure there are things that could be done better, but you’re basically just setting for any president to have the ability to just ignore immigration law at will and there being no way for the voters to get relief from that.

 

[paindonthurt]

J6 people were also free until they were found.

What does this even mean? Illegal are free until they are found as well.

over 500 J6 felony charges. I bet you can’t find 30 felony charges for entering the capitol in the 30 years prior to J6. And we see protests all the time.

You are a hypocrite. You know it. You just can’t admit it.

 

[DT4248]

The day I start giving credence to the opinion of a woke imbecile like you is the day hell freezes over. Want to know what is a sign of ignorance? You assuming things about me to fit your narrow viewpoint...things that are incorrect, btw.

Calling me a sjw? Are you serious?? Cleary it is you who is the social justice warrior. I've been dealing with you wackos out here in California for decades. The vast majority of you are the most intolerant people I've ever met...by far!

Another "sign of low intelligence" is your stating I'd come back with a "TLDR", "word length" tactic when nothing I have posted indicates that would ever be my approach. In fact, I'm the one who gets accused of making posts that are too long to read, so I guess we can chalk that one up to one of the stupid assumptions you've made about me.

As far as $725 + being too much, that's usually BS as well, given it's a one-time expense, and I'm guessing to any immigrant who values living here long term, there is a way to raise or save that much over a 5-year period. Poor souls might have to temporarily drink water instead of booze or soda for a while, or not go out for pizza or fast food for a few months.

As far as my privilege goes, I didn't have mine paid for. I earned academic scholarships and got student loans that I had to pay back by working and sacrificing for a while...cutting down on frivolous spending, taking on roommates to share living expenses, etc., until I could afford to be on my own and buy what I wanted to buy, etc.

"Somewhere between 30% to 70% live PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK"? Way to narrow that down to a relevant statistic, dumbass! Why not just stretch that out to "somewhere between 1% and 99%"? Or how about, "as much as 70% of people in America do not have to live paycheck to paycheck"?

BTW, I've been there before myself, paycheck-to-paycheck. Once after having to close down a business I ran where I employed 4 people. I took out a loan using my home as collateral so I could give every one of them an extra 3 months time to find a new job.

On another occasion I spent $ thousands and invested months of my time to help a disabled Vietnam vet get his home repaired, arrange for him to get meals delivered, at-home nursing care, etc. Helped him get his finances in order, and spent countless hours visiting and even helping him work out to improve his health, since he was not far from death when I discovered what had happened to him.

I'm the kind of guy who routinely buys meals for homeless people I see on the street. I've volunteered for countless support groups, including the Autism Society, AIDS Foundation, Food Bank and more. But sure...I'm not a "morally good person" like you, perhaps because I did & do my helping of my fellow man by giving of myself without seeking recognition via "virtue-signaling" and demanding others give to the same things I believe in supporting.

I do them because they are the Christian values I subscribe to, not because I can get likes on some idiotic Tik-Tok, Twitter, or Facebook post from people whose definition of morality is so skewed and twisted as to be an absolute joke!

In conclusion (though I could easily spend more time attacking your ignorant comments), you're an idiot. You're not a morally good person. Don't respond, just read this a few times until maybe something clicks for you and you develop at least one iota of critical thinking.

PS -Anytime you want to compare critical thinking skills or intelligence, bring it on, cupcake! Embarrass yourself some more...dig that hole deeper.

Yep. It didn't click for you. You didn't even understand the point of the statistic I gave. 30%+ of Americans can't save anything up because of their situation.

Go back and try again instead of posting at 3 am, editing your post, trying to copy part of my post, and still somehow doubling down on your own idiocy.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

There is no way for us to effectively deal with 10 million new illegal immigrants without tragedy occurring. They overwhelmed the system in purpose in the hopes people would just throw up their hands and say oh well, buss we have 10 to 20 million new illegal immigrants here permanently.

Fortunately, your numbers are way off. People just throw those 10 and 20 million numbers around as though they are facts. I dont think people realize how incredible those numbers are.

Secretary Noem, who undoubtedly wants to scare everyone with how terrible our illegal immigration problem is, relies on numbers from cis.org, an anti-immigration think tank. Cis.org
estimates the number of illegals is currently at 14.2 MM, having increased by 5.5MM under Biden, and then decreased by 1.6 MM under Noem's expert care. Frankly, Im surprised Trump hasn't fired her for disputing his claim of 21MM illegals. Or maybe this graph will be revised soon.

Homeland security announcement

I suppose you could also throw in people seeking asylum, which is another 1.5MM, but still doesnt get us to 10MM under Biden and 20MM total.

I suspect that cis.org's estimates are very broad, to support its anti immigration agenda. Also, most organizations estimate we had over 11MM illegals at the end of Trump's term, but if you lower it to 10.2 it makes Biden look worse

 

[Drebin]

You've been on here a long time, yet you are just now realizing this. I thought you were smarter than that.

What makes you think I'm just now realizing this?

 

[mstateglfr]

What does this even mean? Illegal are free until they are found as well.

I responded to ranchdawg's comment that illegals were free until they were found.
Just like that, J6 people were free until they were found.

over 500 J6 felony charges. I bet you can’t find 30 felony charges for entering the capitol in the 30 years prior to J6. And we see protests all the time.

I bet I also can't find a time in the prior 30 years where a violent mob damaged, looted, and attacked police in the Capitol.

You are a hypocrite. You know it. You just can’t admit it.

I don't think you actually understand what that word means.

 

[AttillaTheDog]

I responded to ranchdawg's comment that illegals were free until they were found.
Just like that, J6 people were free until they were found.


I bet I also can't find a time in the prior 30 years where a violent mob damaged, looted, and attacked police in the Capitol.


I don't think you actually understand what thst word means.

More police and secret service were injured and much more looting and burning occured during blm/antifa riots in d.c. in 2020 than on j6. Also look up the riots that went on in 2017 at Trump's inauguration.

 

[Podgy]

relies on numbers from cis.org, an anti-immigration think tank. Cis.org


I suspect that cis.org's estimates are very broad,

Damnit. We have cis organizations now. What are the trans and non-gender conforming orgs saying about this?

One of things we need consider is who were are bringing in. The original sin of America, I've been told, is slavery and all whites have benefited from it. But the U.S. got only around 4% of slaves from Africa and millions more went to Central and South America. Thus with every brown person who immigrates here we're adding to the population of original sinners. That's not right.***