Thoughts on James Franklin listed as 9th best coach in CFB?

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Cignetti was very good at James Madison.
Yeah. My guess is the authors tried to reflect success prior to a coach's current job. DeBoer at Bama is an example. 4 losses in his Bama debut is C-level work, but he was a rising star in the 5 years prior.
 

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If you're looking at executive function and program management (recruiting, development, hiring, etc.), Franklin is maybe top three or four. If you throw in play-calling and game management, he's maybe top 15-20. Even re-watching the B1G Championship game this past weekend you look at the one two point conversion call (a reverse that fell flat) and it's a head scratcher. I'd also add I think he's really, really committed to Penn State. Most of the other top guys I think would leave in a second if they could make a few pennies more.

I think he'd found the right mix of assistant coaches and university support and last season was the first to really bear fruit. Was a really fun season and I think we can do as much or more this year.

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Franklin-friendly, for sure. Anyone on the page and many other could win equally or better with PSU’s schedule and resources.

Need a few signature wins to actually be this lofty.
We’ve been telling Marshall that for years . BWICAC šŸ’ŖšŸ¾
 

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Franklin-friendly, for sure. Anyone on the page and many other could win equally or better with PSU’s schedule and resources.

Need a few signature wins to actually be this lofty.
Yeah I’m sure guys like Kotelnicki and Knowles would sign up to work for so many of the ā€˜anyone’s on the page’.

It’s more than just beating OSU and Michigan. How many coaches would’ve built PSU into what it is now in the last 10 years? Not one bit of that was an accident. The coaches and players didn’t come here in spite of Franklin - many came here BECAUSE of him. Give the guy some credit.
 

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Yeah I’m sure guys like Kotelnicki and Knowles would sign up to work for so many of the ā€˜anyone’s on the page’.

It’s more than just beating OSU and Michigan. How many coaches would’ve built PSU into what it is now in the last 10 years? Not one bit of that was an accident. The coaches and players didn’t come here in spite of Franklin - many came here BECAUSE of him. Give the guy some credit.
He’s doing fine.
 

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That was a strange call on the two point attempt. I watched that game as well. I think franklin coached well in the playoffs. It didn’t come down to his decision making which is progress. It was more our qb making the right decision in crunch time against Oregon and notre dame. When watching the Oregon game I completely forgot how it ended. Then the interception. Think I blocked it out. Thought at the time it was ok because allar would learn from it and the win didn’t matter for playoffs and put us against the two out of three easiest teams to play.
Guys, when I saw us line up for the 2 point conversion, I thought that was the dumbest move he could have made at that time. After the game was over, I did some research on sites that are much more educated in this situation than most of us and it changed my mind.

I was (and still am) convinced the 2 point attempt was absolutely the right call. Yes, it has to do with analytics and once it was explained to me, I understood and agreed 100%.
 

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If you're looking at executive function and program management (recruiting, development, hiring, etc.), Franklin is maybe top three or four. If you throw in play-calling and game management, he's maybe top 15-20. Even re-watching the B1G Championship game this past weekend you look at the one two point conversion call (a reverse that fell flat) and it's a head scratcher. I'd also add I think he's really, really committed to Penn State. Most of the other top guys I think would leave in a second if they could make a few pennies more.

I think he'd found the right mix of assistant coaches and university support and last season was the first to really bear fruit. Was a really fun season and I think we can do as much or more this year.
Having a couple of quality wide receivers should do it.
 

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Guys, when I saw us line up for the 2 point conversion, I thought that was the dumbest move he could have made at that time. After the game was over, I did some research on sites that are much more educated in this situation than most of us and it changed my mind.

I was (and still am) convinced the 2 point attempt was absolutely the right call. Yes, it has to do with analytics and once it was explained to me, I understood and agreed 100%.

Right call, wrong play. Of course had it worked it would have been the best play.
 
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Top 15, around 9-11 imho. Eerily reminiscent of Roy Williams. Roy wins a natty after snatching loss upon loss from the jaws of victory and magically becomes a HoF coach.

I think Franklin does the same.
 

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Top 15, around 9-11 imho. Eerily reminiscent of Roy Williams. Roy wins a natty after snatching loss upon loss from the jaws of victory and magically becomes a HoF coach.

I think Franklin does the same.
Please list the 10 that are better holding them to same criteria Franklin gets held to…beating teams with more talent and never losing to teams with less talent…I’ll wait.
 
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If you're looking at executive function and program management (recruiting, development, hiring, etc.), Franklin is maybe top three or four. If you throw in play-calling and game management, he's maybe top 15-20. Even re-watching the B1G Championship game this past weekend you look at the one two point conversion call (a reverse that fell flat) and it's a head scratcher. I'd also add I think he's really, really committed to Penn State. Most of the other top guys I think would leave in a second if they could make a few pennies more.

I think he'd found the right mix of assistant coaches and university support and last season was the first to really bear fruit. Was a really fun season and I think we can do as much or more this year.
You articulated my assessment of James and the state of PSU Football Inc.
 

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Please list the 10 that are better holding them to same criteria Franklin gets held to…beating teams with more talent and never losing to teams with less talent…I’ll wait.

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Need I continue?
 
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Yeah I’m sure guys like Kotelnicki and Knowles would sign up to work for so many of the ā€˜anyone’s on the page’.

It’s more than just beating OSU and Michigan. How many coaches would’ve built PSU into what it is now in the last 10 years? Not one bit of that was an accident. The coaches and players didn’t come here in spite of Franklin - many came here BECAUSE of him. Give the guy some credit.
He’s good. But he has been here a long, long time. Last signature win was 2016. Actually only signature win.

It’s time to give someone else a chance to see if we can break through.

If it fails, we can settle in at 4/5th in Big 10 - would we notice the difference?
 

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Yeah I’m sure guys like Kotelnicki and Knowles would sign up to work for so many of the ā€˜anyone’s on the page’.

It’s more than just beating OSU and Michigan. How many coaches would’ve built PSU into what it is now in the last 10 years? Not one bit of that was an accident. The coaches and players didn’t come here in spite of Franklin - many came here BECAUSE of him. Give the guy some credit.
Kotelinicki is looking for a HFC job. Great platform in front of 110,000 fans. Maybe this year he can dial up a single catch from a WR in an important game.

Knowles? I guess his ego and Eddie Munster’s could not co-exist? And oh, he is now the highest paid assistant in NCAA. Will see what he can do without OSU’s talent. I don’t think he struck fear into anyone coaching D at OK State. Time will tell. Major holes to fill.

Hopefully we can get a tough win this year. Hope springs eternal.
 

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Guys, when I saw us line up for the 2 point conversion, I thought that was the dumbest move he could have made at that time. After the game was over, I did some research on sites that are much more educated in this situation than most of us and it changed my mind.

I was (and still am) convinced the 2 point attempt was absolutely the right call. Yes, it has to do with analytics and once it was explained to me, I understood and agreed 100%.
The announcer even mocked it. ā€œModern day analyticsā€.
This from espn. ā€œBut the turning point proved to be a failed 2-point conversion attempt early in the fourth quarter — leaving Penn State down 38-30.ā€

would have been down a touchdown. So why are you going for the win when you are in track meet. The outcome was far from over. Oregon scored a td and then psu had the last drive was down 8. Made no sense with so much time left.

not like it mattered though. The outcome of losing was far better than winning. Lined up 2 cup cakes instead of osu.
 

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Seems like they were good enough to beat PS last year. Of course, that can be accomplished by just hanging around until Franklin works his special magic by crapping his pants.

I like to contrast Franklin at PS with a successful coach, say Kirby Smart. I know that isn't really a fair comparison because Smart has had some success against top 5 teams where Jimmy just can't seem to get it done. Must be tough to have to face those B1G juggernauts like Purdue, Northwestern and Rutgers.
I liked it better when you were making an a$$ out of yourself on the BOTS and not infecting the boards.
 

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Please list the 10 that are better holding them to same criteria Franklin gets held to…beating teams with more talent and never losing to teams with less talent…I’ll wait.
Well, not that I walk around with a list nor do I subscribe to the 'criteria' you mention Mrs. Franklin but here goes:

Smart, Swinney, Day are clearly first tier in the profession.

Bielema, Sitake, Sarkisian win and get the most out of their rosters, that's why they are senior coaches.

Lanning, Kiffin and Kelly just win so as I guessed originally 9-11 for Franklin.

Why is he 9th or 10th? Because he or his staff do bonehead things to turn games. Not just in the big games either. Sometimes it doesn't bite him when he has better talent. He's not a high-quality in-game coach so he's 10th and yes I would be concerned playing the other 9 coaches most years.

I like Coach Franklin and he's a worker, a plugger. He reminds me of Roy Williams who took care of every detail, was widely respected and yet didn't win his first national championship until his 17th year as a head coach. Roy did bonehead things too. He over thought situations and didn't have the luck you need when you are close.

Hopefully Franklin and staff make it happen, wins it this year in his 15th season as head coach.
 
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Well, not that I walk around with a list nor do I subscribe to the 'criteria' you mention Mrs. Franklin but here goes:

Smart, Swinney, Day are clearly first tier in the profession.

Bielema, Sitake, Sarkisian win and get the most out of their rosters, that's why they are senior coaches.

Lanning, Kiffin and Kelly just win so as I guessed originally 9-11 for Franklin.

Why is he 9th or 10th? Because he or his staff do bonehead things to turn games. Not just in the big games either. Sometimes it doesn't bite him when he has better talent. He's not a high-quality in-game coach so he's 10th and yes I would be concerned playing the other 9 coaches most years.

I like Coach Franklin and he's a worker, a plugger. He reminds me of Roy Williams who took care of every detail, was widely respected and yet didn't win his first national championship until his 17th year as a head coach. Roy did bonehead things too. He over thought situations and didn't have the luck you need when you are close.

Hopefully Franklin and staff make it happen, wins it this year in his 15th season as head coach.
Smart and Day both lose to teams with less talent because everyone has less talent, so they’re out. Swinney has lost at least three games for four straight seasons, so he’s out. Bielema was 5-7 two years ago as was Sitake, so they’re out…..I can go on and on. None of them would be considered successful if judged as Franklin is on this board. And all coaches do ā€œboneheadā€ things during games when judged after the fact. Bottom line, none of them won at a school like Vandy and none of them took over a program destroyed by sanctions with a ruined reputation and rebuilt it like Franklin has.
 

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Well, not that I walk around with a list nor do I subscribe to the 'criteria' you mention Mrs. Franklin but here goes:

Smart, Swinney, Day are clearly first tier in the profession.

Bielema, Sitake, Sarkisian win and get the most out of their rosters, that's why they are senior coaches.

Lanning, Kiffin and Kelly just win so as I guessed originally 9-11 for Franklin.

Why is he 9th or 10th? Because he or his staff do bonehead things to turn games. Not just in the big games either. Sometimes it doesn't bite him when he has better talent. He's not a high-quality in-game coach so he's 10th and yes I would be concerned playing the other 9 coaches most years.

I like Coach Franklin and he's a worker, a plugger. He reminds me of Roy Williams who took care of every detail, was widely respected and yet didn't win his first national championship until his 17th year as a head coach. Roy did bonehead things too. He over thought situations and didn't have the luck you need when you are close.

Hopefully Franklin and staff make it happen, wins it this year in his 15th season as head coach.
Bret Bielema has 125 wins in 15 seasons as a head coach. I know of a coach who has won 125 games in just 14 seasons as a head coach. Can you name him?
 
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Smart and Day both lose to teams with less talent because everyone has less talent, so they’re out. Swinney has lost at least three games for four straight seasons, so he’s out. Bielema was 5-7 two years ago as was Sitake, so they’re out…..I can go on and on. None of them would be considered successful if judged as Franklin is on this board. And all coaches do ā€œboneheadā€ things during games when judged after the fact. Bottom line, none of them won at a school like Vandy and none of them took over a program destroyed by sanctions with a ruined reputation and rebuilt it like Franklin has.
Okay, sounds good.

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