Tipping culture is out of hand

bulldoghair

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I am definitely jealous of tax evasion. Us suckers out here complying with the law paying >25% of our gross between between federal, state, and fica, (and that's after deferring tax on retirement contributions, so it's really worse), and then we have to pay property, sales tax, special sales tax like gas taxes or for local taxes, etc.

Even when small business owners do show the money on their books, in addition to being able to run a lot of personal expenses through the business they also get basically unlimited SALT deductions just because they are an LLC. And then they get to deduct up to 20% of their income with the QBI deduction, just because some legislators in 2017 claimed to be dumb enough to not understand that paying 21% in corporate taxes and then paying 15% or 20% taxes on dividends was still as high or higher in basically every situation compared to just the individual rates that caps out at 37%.
There is no law requiring US citizens to pay income tax. Filling and paying federal income tax is voluntary. Also, don’t be jealous, there are a lot of cons to those in small businesses and self employed service industries. Not to mention, If most didn’t operate the way your assuming, then I’m assuming most couldn’t stay in business or make it, thus not be available for your convenience and service.
 
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bulldoghair

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There's a restaurant here in Ocean Springs, sign on the door that says cash or check only. If you go pick up food there you will almost always see someone walk up to the door, turn around and walk away. It's idiotic.
Why is it idiotic? They obviously are able to operate that way and are satisfied doing it. If they weren’t I’m sure they would adjust. I’m sure it makes their life a lot simpler. Simpler life is good.
 

615dawg

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Why is it idiotic? They obviously are able to operate that way and are satisfied doing it. If they weren’t I’m sure they would adjust. I’m sure it makes their life a lot simpler. Simpler life is good.
You called me an ******* for having an opinion that 80 percent of people share. Him calling you an idiot seems spot on. Your comment about income tax shows your hand in "all cash" game.
 
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bulldoghair

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You called me an ******* for having an opinion that 80 percent of people share. Him calling you an idiot seems spot on. Your comment about income tax shows your hand in "all cash" game.
Ha whoa simmer down son. What did I call you? I don’t even know what you’re talking about. Are you sure you have the right person? And yes I’m a rapper that sells drugs ha. Seriously, do you not have any family or have any good friends that are in a self employed service industry? Surely everyone does. How old are you?
 

ronpolk

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There is no law requiring US citizens to pay income tax. Filling and paying federal income tax is voluntary. Also, don’t be jealous, there are a lot of cons to those in small businesses and self employed service industries. Not to mention, If most didn’t operate the way your assuming, then I’m assuming most couldn’t stay in business or make it, thus not be available for your convenience and service.
Hell I thought people went to jail for not paying taxes.
 

Perd Hapley

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There is no law requiring US citizens to pay income tax.
I mean, no laws except for the 16th Amendment, and the Internal Revenue Code. Those sound easy enough to get around…..

While you’re stumping this nonsense, maybe try buying some slaves, or snatching ballots out of every woman’s hands you see in your next local election, and let us know how that works out for you.

Filling and paying federal income tax is voluntary.

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Nice try, troll.
 

ronpolk

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Ha, yea Al Capone did. But I think if his case happened today he probably wouldn’t.

Evading taxes is illegal.
Avoiding taxes is legal.

Separately:

At first I figured you were just an old dude that didn’t understand why everyone does not carry gobs of cash constantly…. But now i think you’re just a nutcase.
 
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ZombieKissinger

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Overall tipping culture has gotten wild and this is coming from someone whose entire career has been in an industry where tipping is part of it. I shouldn’t tip on bottled water at the airport or a plumbing bill I get via quick books. It’s simple, don’t tip in those situations.

That said, there is a reason I get treated great everywhere I go. Generosity matters. Everyone tracks customer data today so a lot of places know you before you walk in. When I go out to eat, I fairly regularly get asked, “are you sure?”. When they ask that, you just made their night. That’s the guy I want to be.

Tipping your barber well is the difference in getting in on a booked day. Tipping servers well gets you better tables on your reservations. Tipping bell hops you won’t touch a bag. You catch my drift.
I go to Supercuts because I can book online regardless of tip amount rather than relying on the 85 year old dude with a pencil and a notebook and having to pay cash and having to wonder if he’s passed every time I call to book an appointment (stay strong, Gerald!). But I end up tipping 50% because it’s so cheap I feel like I’m robbing them.
 

Perd Hapley

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Hell I thought people went to jail for not paying taxes.

They usually don’t. They just eventually have their lives completely ruined in all sorts of ways you wouldn’t even imagine. I’ve seen it up close with people smart enough to know better in my own family….who legitimately bought into the BS being spewed above. It’s sad.
 

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I go to Supercuts because I can book online regardless of tip amount rather than relying on the 85 year old dude with a pencil and a notebook and having to pay cash and having to wonder if he’s passed every time I call to book an appointment (stay strong, Gerald!). But I end up tipping 50% because it’s so cheap I feel like I’m robbing them.
I go to Sports Clips for different reasons.

I'm just not comfortable enough in my heterosexuality I guess, but I don't like another man rubbing his fingers through my hair and bumping his wang up against my body as he circles me with a sharp object....

Now a mid thirties tatted up chick doing the same thing without the weenie rubbing my arm... She has me confined to a chair covered in a black cape while she tells me what to do... And if I am a good boy she washes my hair and gives me a hot towel on the face before she rubs my shoulders with her mega sized vibratory device... Yes please!
 
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At the end of the day, I think that the automatic gratuity or surcharge should be at the top of the menu. As long as it is transparent then it is part of the cost. Either do that or just add 20% across the board to the prices, same end result.

In other countries, it is basically how it is done. They pay the wait staff a more livable wage without basically depending on customer tips. I will say that we were in Paris last year and they now have the option to tip at most restaurants. So now they are adapting to the US tourists rather than just saying in Europe you don't tip at all.
 

PooPopsBaldHead

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At the end of the day, I think that the automatic gratuity or surcharge should be at the top of the menu. As long as it is transparent then it is part of the cost. Either do that or just add 20% across the board to the prices, same end result.

In other countries, it is basically how it is done. They pay the wait staff a more livable wage without basically depending on customer tips. I will say that we were in Paris last year and they now have the option to tip at most restaurants. So now they are adapting to the US tourists rather than just saying in Europe you don't tip at all.
I do not ever force gratuity. It's always optional and I think that's how it should be. Tips encourage service workers to increase their service level. If we eliminate the tipping at restaurants and adjust the hourly wages, you'll drive up the costs and lower service levels to "just good enough to not get fired ."

I currently pay my hourly workers between $16/ hr for the lowest paid dishwasher to $29/hr for the highest paid kitchen lead. We have a tip pool that is shared evenly across the pool that adds about $10/hr to everyone's pay.

I have a competitor in town that does not accept tips. They pay their employees a little more hourly and charge customers more. Everyone is worse off for it.

  1. The customers lose the option to pay the minimum or considerably more based on their experience.
  2. The business pays more carry on the increased wages.
  3. Employees are not encouraged to show up to work on busy nights. So on Friday nights they're understaffed because nobody wants to work the busy nights for the same pay. So they get horrible service reviews. Locals don't even bother anymore.

Tips are a version of performance pay that works in the restaurant world. With that in mind, I also wish factory workers, teachers, and everyone else were paid based on performance.
 
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I do not ever force gratuity. It's always optional and I think that's how it should be. Tips encourage service workers to increase their service level. If we eliminate the tipping at restaurants and adjust the hourly wages, you'll drive up the costs and lower service levels to "just good enough to not get fired ."

I currently pay my hourly workers between $16/ hr for the lowest paid dishwasher to $29/hr for the highest paid kitchen lead. We have a tip pool that is shared evenly across the pool that adds about $10/hr to everyone's pay.

I have a competitor in town that does not accept tips. They pay their employees a little more hourly and charge customers more. Everyone is worse off for it.

  1. The customers lose the option to pay the minimum or considerably more based on their experience.
  2. The business pays more carry on the increased wages.
  3. Employees are not encouraged to show up to work on busy nights. So on Friday nights they're understaffed because nobody wants to work the busy nights for the same pay. So they get horrible service reviews. Locals don't even bother anymore.

Tips are a version of performance pay that works in the restaurant world. With that in mind, I also wish factory workers, teachers, and everyone else were paid based on performance.
Agreed, factory close to North MS used to pay an extra $1 per hour if you were clocked in on time every day that week. If you were late at all then it was gone for that week. I was a manager and that would have been very helpful to make sure everyone was there on time.

Service definitely suffers with an automatic tip. I saw that first hand this weekend.
 
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HotMop

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There is no law requiring US citizens to pay income tax. Filling and paying federal income tax is voluntary. Also, don’t be jealous, there are a lot of cons to those in small businesses and self employed service industries. Not to mention, If most didn’t operate the way your assuming, then I’m assuming most couldn’t stay in business or make it, thus not be available for your convenience and service.
Wat are you talking about? Are you a sovereign citizen?
 

patdog

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Why is it idiotic? They obviously are able to operate that way and are satisfied doing it. If they weren’t I’m sure they would adjust. I’m sure it makes their life a lot simpler. Simpler life is good.
Because they’re turning away paying customers. Whatever they’re making they could be making more with very little effort.
 

bulldoghair

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Because they’re turning away paying customers. Whatever they’re making they could be making more with very little effort.
First and foremost, you don’t understand the possibility of contentment. You’re assuming all kinds of businesses are the same. And you’re underestimating the power of the type of business or service to be able to dictate its received payment method.
 

HulksStache

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Go to the concessions at MSU ball game. You walk through, grab your items, walk up to Check out and they ask for a tip….
 

johnson86-1

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Wat are you talking about? Are you a sovereign citizen?
There are non-sovereign citizen type scams that try to convince people that the tax code being built around voluntary compliance means that it's somehow not legally required to pay taxes. Don't know anything about it beyond that.
 

ronpolk

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There are non-sovereign citizen type scams that try to convince people that the tax code being built around voluntary compliance means that it's somehow not legally required to pay taxes. Don't know anything about it beyond that.
It would take a special kind of idiot to actually believe this though. Do people think everyone is just voluntarily giving up large portions of our income just to be generous?
 

grinningmule

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Unregulated tipping will cause a massive decay in the moral fabric of our fragile society and then.....
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wanting more than "just the tip"