To all the Flood supporters

[lighty]

The reasons the fire Flood people give are due to the last four games and just aren't enough justification.

The signs have been there for a very long time. Remember the final 3 losses to end 2012 including the God-awful performances against VA Tech in the bowl game?

How about being blown out by Houston, Cincy, and UCF in the 2013?

The blow outs in 2014?

The last 4 games are hardly a blip on the resume.

 

[YoucancallmeRay]

The signs have been there for a very long time. Remember the final 3 losses to end 2012 including the God-awful performances against VA Tech in the bowl game?

How about being blown out by Houston, Cincy, and UCF in the 2013?

The blow outs in 2014?

The last 4 games are hardly a blip on the resume.

I hear you, but how do you account for doing well this year against Wash. St and Mich St. which were not blowouts? The blowouts whether this year or not just aren't enough to me to get rid of him right now.

 

[jor22]

Ray,

I said it was a mistake from the begging. He was an Offensive line coach? How does that qualify him to be a head coach? He blew a great season by sticking with Nova. One would think he learned from that. He didn't. He continues to do the same thing expecting different results, He is in over his head, and isn't learning from experience. No body will offer him a head coaching job once he leaves Rutgers, That should tell you something. No OC/DC or special teams jobs either. No major college will even let him be Offensive line coach, Watch.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Flood supporter here. I think he should get another year. To me, an 8-5 record with a bowl win over North Carolina.
Recruits and parents with a strong attachment for him as a person. Recruiting an Elite 11 QB. The arrests and injuries. All of this to me gives him enough currency to get another year. Obviously the lack of execution in all phases of the game is the primary cause of the blowouts, and that ultimately is the responsibility of the head coach, but to me fans are too anxious for the quick fix by getting rid of a coach. The reasons the fire Flood people give are due to the last four games and just aren't enough justification.

The "last 4 games"? LOL, okay Kyle Jr!

 

[KJRU]

And what good would that do? I don't get these let's gang up on someone who feels differently threads. Other than maybe making you feel superior, what does it accomplish?

If Rutgers makes a change it better be a home run. Right now it can be said Rutgers football issues are a Kyle Flood problem. If a new coach comes in and fails it will be said it isn't the coach, it's that Rutgers itself is the problem. That'd be a hell of a lot worse.

Where were you when Fludd supporters ganged up on the rest of us over the years, things are tame compared to how bad they were.

 

[BoogieKnight]

Flood supporter here. I think he should get another year. To me, an 8-5 record with a bowl win over North Carolina.
Recruits and parents with a strong attachment for him as a person. Recruiting an Elite 11 QB. The arrests and injuries. All of this to me gives him enough currency to get another year. Obviously the lack of execution in all phases of the game is the primary cause of the blowouts, and that ultimately is the responsibility of the head coach, but to me fans are too anxious for the quick fix by getting rid of a coach. The reasons the fire Flood people give are due to the last four games and just aren't enough justification.

With all due respect, I wouldn't hang my hat on the 8-5 season last year for the simple fact that we had a two-time ACC coach of the year on staff as OC/associate head coach. Fridge was probably the most accomplished football coach we've ever had on the Banks and if you don't think that went a long way into last year's 8-5 season you are sorely mistaken. Our rival fans even joked how awkward it was that the OC really is more qualified to be the HC than the HC and they were 100% correct. What we saw in 2012, 2013 and now in 2015 is the real Kyle Flood as head coach of Rutgers football and I see 9-4, 6-7 and probably 4-8. That's 19-19 with 3 of those wins over FCS opponents and blow out losses to the likes of Kent State, Houston, Cincinnati and Central Florida. It's time to cut the cord.

 

[RUInsanityToo]

Where were you when Fludd supporters ganged up on the rest of us over the years, things are tame compared to how bad they were.

 

[knightfan7]

Where were you when Fludd supporters ganged up on the rest of us over the years, things are tame compared to how bad they were.

So many playing the victim card. Was any of this supposed abuse really worse or was it worse because you didn't agree? My experience here is it's always the other guy at fault. He said it first. He was nastier. He hurt my feelings.

Just be confident in your opinions and don't give a darn what I or anyone else thinks.

 

[KJRU]

So many playing the victim card. Was any of this supposed abuse really worse or was it worse because you didn't agree? My experience here is it's always the other guy at fault. He said it first. He was nastier. He hurt my feelings.

Just be confident in your opinions and don't give a darn what I or anyone else thinks.

I honestly don't care, I'm pretty confident in my opinions and I'm open minded enough to atleast listen to those that disagree. I don't post as much as others but you should be able to tell from my posts that it's takes alot more than someone disagreeing or attacking me on a message board to get under my skin.

 

[YoucancallmeRay]

With all due respect, I wouldn't hang my hat on the 8-5 season last year for the simple fact that we had a two-time ACC coach of the year on staff as OC/associate head coach. Fridge was probably the most accomplished football coach we've ever had on the Banks and if you don't think that went a long way into last year's 8-5 season you are sorely mistaken. Our rival fans even joked how awkward it was that the OC really is more qualified to be the HC than the HC and they were 100% correct. What we saw in 2012, 2013 and now in 2015 is the real Kyle Flood as head coach of Rutgers football and I see 9-4, 6-7 and probably 4-8. That's 19-19 with 3 of those wins over FCS opponents and blow out losses to the likes of Kent State, Houston, Cincinnati and Central Florida. It's time to cut the cord.

How would you explain the Wash. St. and Mich St. games? Shouldn't Flood get credit for those?

 

[ArminRU]

How would you explain the Wash. St. and Mich St. games? Shouldn't Flood get credit for those?

Didn't we lose those games?

 

[BoogieKnight]

How would you explain the Wash. St. and Mich St. games? Shouldn't Flood get credit for those?

We lost both games. If you are seeking credit for moral victories then you are a microcosm of what has been wrong with Rutgers athletics the past 35 years. And I don't mean to pick on you as an individual, but rather stating that you represent the train of thought that has brought nothing but mediocrity to our athletic department since we ditched our 1-AA status in the early '80s. We should not celebrate close losses at home to middle of the road PAC12 schools. And as for Michigan State...the guy wasn't even on the sidelines that night so I don't know what kind of credit he deserves for the spirited, hard fought play. But if it means that much to you, I will give him credit for that close loss.

 

[YoucancallmeRay]

Didn't we lose those games?

My point it that if you're going to hang your hat on firing him due to blowouts, then he should get credit for competitive games against good opponents. And he prepared the team during the week, so he was the coach, regardless of whether he was on the sideline. Unless a coach loses his team, or has a few losing years in a row, I don't think he should be fired. There have been many successful coaches who built programs after a rocky start.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

I said Flood should have been fired after emailgate and was shouted down.

Said after Wazzu we had the same Flood patented bottom 20 in the FBS defense, was shouted down.

Said we are one of the worst in the p5, shouted down.

Said everyone plays MSU close, shouted down.

Said we needed to email Julie after beating Indiana by 3, shouted down.

I could go on here...about a coach with more players arrested than games won and 4 wins over winning teams in 4 years..

Also wanted him fired in 2010...

Some people here just want to go down with the ship. It doesn't get worse that losing big with scandal, and that is all Flood does.

 

[JoeRU0304]

I hear you, but how do you account for doing well this year against Wash. St and Mich St. which were not blowouts? The blowouts whether this year or not just aren't enough to me to get rid of him right now.

I'm not a fan of advocating for anyone to lose their job. That being said, consider the following:

-We LOST to both WSU and MSU
-Literately half of his recruited classes are no longer with the program
-5 wins vs bowl teams in 4 seasons, 4 wins vs winning teams in 4 years
-14 losses by 17+ points in 4 years
-0 Top 10 NJ recruits in last 2 years
-I think 2 Top 10 NJ recruits in 4 years
-Barnwell scandal- first Rutgers Football coach to ever miss a game due to suspension
-Defense has been bottom 25 at least 2 of last 3 years


....any answers?

Joe P.

 

[RU5781]

List of Flood "supporters:"

- Mrs. Flood

- Slyker (or whatever that lunatics name is...)

- RUBob72 (who, actually, has finally given up on RUTGERS FOOTBALL and will become - no lie - a "Florida Gator" fan next year...he said it himself, last week, I swear it!)

- ru66 (not sure if he's finally had enough; ALL he does here is rip on others so it's hard to tell)

yesrutgers (who referred to Flood as a better line coach than most NFL coaches), Spanky, and jersyboy.

 

[ruman]

I'm not a fan of advocating for anyone to lose their job. That being said, consider the following:

-We LOST to both WSU and MSU
-Literately half of his recruited classes are no longer with the program
-5 wins vs bowl teams in 4 seasons, 4 wins vs winning teams in 4 years
-14 losses by 17+ points in 4 years
-0 Top 10 NJ recruits in last 2 years
-I think 2 Top 10 NJ recruits in 4 years
-Barnwell scandal- first Rutgers Football coach to ever miss a game due to suspension

....any answers?

Joe P.

Im ok with it. He's got to go

 

[BoogieKnight]

My point it that if you're going to hang your hat on firing him due to blowouts, then he should get credit for competitive games against good opponents. And he prepared the team during the week, so he was the coach, regardless of whether he was on the sideline. Unless a coach loses his team, or has a few losing years in a row, I don't think he should be fired. There have been many successful coaches who built programs after a rocky start.

And a lot more who didn't bounce back from bad starts. Flood was not hired to build the program. The program had already been built. Flood was just asked to carry on what GS had built and possibly improve upon it in certain areas. Again as I previously posted, coaches who were offered jobs over other qualified coaches who were also interviewed for the same position usually get some rope. Flood was not hired in this manner...he was not hired after an extensive coaching search. It's not like we interviewed Al Golden, Pat Narduzzi, Tom Herman and Mario Cristobal and said "guess what Kyle? You knocked our socks off in the interview, more so than the other candidates...the job is yours!" No, the man fell into the job. Four years is plenty for a man who fell into the job. If you can't comprehend this you are just showing blind loyalty to the guy which is fine if you like him or know him personally. But no, he doesn't deserve more time based off what has transpired this season.

 

[BoogieKnight]

yesrutgers (who referred to Flood as a better line coach than most NFL coaches), Spanky, and jersyboy.

Here's one thing I will give Kyle...I concur with the statement that he is a good OL coach. I honestly think he is. But I don't want him as head coach of my alma mater. It's nothing personal...just business.

 

[RU5781]

I said Flood should have been fired after emailgate and was shouted down.

Said after Wazzu we had the same Flood patented bottom 20 in the FBS defense, was shouted down.

Said we are one of the worst in the p5, shouted down.

Said everyone plays MSU close, shouted down.

Said we needed to email Julie after beating Indiana by 3, shouted down.

I could go on here...about a coach with more players arrested than games won and 4 wins over winning teams in 4 years..

Also wanted him fired in 2010...

Some people here just want to go down with the ship. It doesn't get worse that losing big with scandal, and that is all Flood does.

I hear ya. I've been harassed for 4 years from the Floodies. What a group they are.

 

[BoogieKnight]

I'm not a fan of advocating for anyone to lose their job. That being said, consider the following:

-We LOST to both WSU and MSU
-Literately half of his recruited classes are no longer with the program
-5 wins vs bowl teams in 4 seasons, 4 wins vs winning teams in 4 years
-14 losses by 17+ points in 4 years
-0 Top 10 NJ recruits in last 2 years
-I think 2 Top 10 NJ recruits in 4 years
-Barnwell scandal- first Rutgers Football coach to ever miss a game due to suspension
-Defense has been bottom 25 at least 2 of last 3 years


....any answers?

Joe P.

The three I highlighted are just plain awful. Time for a change boys.

 

[Jackson206:)]

How would you explain the Wash. St. and Mich St. games? Shouldn't Flood get credit for those?

He absolutely gets credit for both of those losses.

 

[bac2therac]

Here you go again bac. Show us one quote where l comented one way or the other. You are the " ripper" _____,,you have said often "I don' t attack or call others names." But you are one of the biggest guilty parties.

you are a tool....I didn't even post in this thread yet you are calling me out...AGENDA MUCH...wtf is your problem....take your meds and email Julie

 

[RU5781]

Here's one thing I will give Kyle...I concur with the statement that he's a heck of an OL coach. I honestly think he is. But I don't want him as head coach of my alma mater. It's nothing personal...just business.

When was the last time we had a good OL under him? 2006? They weren't even his recruits.

 

[rucoe89]

I will I was a supporter until things began to unravel at the end of the summer. The email things was troubling. The Barnwell factor was troubling. Someone noted Boggs was a bad apple as was Johnson. More trouble. Then the push was going with Laviano and putting cement into that decision without considering what was occurring in games. Bad decisions and refusal to adjust was just too much for a Head Coach with little experience. When the blowouts started again, I knew this has to be it for the sake of the program. Rutgers may still retain him, but the program will continue to regress with him at the helm. Sad, because I was rooting for him to be successful.

 

[BoogieKnight]

When was the last time we had a good OL under him? 2006? They weren't even his recruits.

I'm not going to debate this because I want him out of here as badly as you do. And you are right our OL hasn't had that edge to them since 2007 but I will say last year's group was the closest to those Zuttah/Stapleton/Fladell lines that we've seen in a very long time. I'm just saying that I think the guy is a good college OL coach from everything I've seen and heard. Very good tactician, great speaking at clinics, etc. Again, as a head coach though? Can't fire him fast enough for me.

 

[ru66]

''ru66 (not sure if he's finally had enough; ALL he does here is rip on others so it's hard to tell)"--this from AREU NUTS wrong guy but 2 peas in a pod--hard to distinguish you two

 

[Blitz8RU]

Flood supporter here. I think he should get another year. To me, an 8-5 record with a bowl win over North Carolina.
Recruits and parents with a strong attachment for him as a person. Recruiting an Elite 11 QB. The arrests and injuries. All of this to me gives him enough currency to get another year. Obviously the lack of execution in all phases of the game is the primary cause of the blowouts, and that ultimately is the responsibility of the head coach, but to me fans are too anxious for the quick fix by getting rid of a coach. The reasons the fire Flood people give are due to the last four games and just aren't enough justification.

wow...

 

[RUsSKii]

My point it that if you're going to hang your hat on firing him due to blowouts, then he should get credit for competitive games against good opponents. And he prepared the team during the week, so he was the coach, regardless of whether he was on the sideline. Unless a coach loses his team, or has a few losing years in a row, I don't think he should be fired. There have been many successful coaches who built programs after a rocky start.

He gets credited for Rutgers playing close against Washington State this season, but it was at home against a team that had recently lost to a lower-division school, in a game where one players two special-teams touchdowns was the only thing keeping it close. However, Flood did not actually coach against MSU on game day. Even if I was to give him credit for both games, there are no true moral victories to be gleaned from close losses, and Rutgers regressed after going 1-1 against the same two teams last season.

And the program was already built up to a certain point when Schiano left. Flood could have maintained that foundation and continued to build on it. But his first two, maybe three seasons constituted a rocky start. But his recruiting and the events of this season have damaged and begun to erode the program's foundation. At this point, I'm not even sure whether Rutgers football will bounce back quickly to where it was, but I am confident of this: firing him will only prevent further damage to the program at this point.

 

[bac2therac]

My point it that if you're going to hang your hat on firing him due to blowouts, then he should get credit for competitive games against good opponents. And he prepared the team during the week, so he was the coach, regardless of whether he was on the sideline. Unless a coach loses his team, or has a few losing years in a row, I don't think he should be fired. There have been many successful coaches who built programs after a rocky start.

oh please you have been a troll in all of your 30 posts, set the bar real high...just because the team showed a pulse in a couple of games you want to give credit and keep them...keep trollin

 

[ru75]

It looks like he is losing the team and his OL is fading fast. He is setting Laviano back 2 years and that is inexcusable in a coach. Loyalty is very misplaced.

 

[RutgersSam]

I knew Flood sucked 2 years ago, and I voiced it often on this board. It's hard to imagine how many dense people are associated with this program, both fans and administrators.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

''ru66 (not sure if he's finally had enough; ALL he does here is rip on others so it's hard to tell)"--this from AREU NUTS wrong guy but 2 peas in a pod--hard to distinguish you two

Am I wrong? When have you EVER actually added anything of substance, factually or otherwise, to a conversation here?

 

[GSGS]

Flood was successful in landing the "Dream Team '16" from NJ, so you have to give him that (yes, I am kidding).

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Flood was successful in landing the "Dream Team '16" from NJ, so you have to give him that (yes, I am kidding).

[roll][roll]:cool2:[roll][roll]

 

[GSGS]

My point it that if you're going to hang your hat on firing him due to blowouts, then he should get credit for competitive games against good opponents. And he prepared the team during the week, so he was the coach, regardless of whether he was on the sideline. Unless a coach loses his team, or has a few losing years in a row, I don't think he should be fired. There have been many successful coaches who built programs after a rocky start.

Ah, just what we needed, "moral" victories. Which is important when one considers all the immoral things that happened with the program this year under Flood. And, BTW, unlike some others here, I do hold him responsible for the lack of off-the-field discipline of his team (which is in addition to the lack of discipline on the field).

 

[RUInsanityToo]

I knew Flood sucked 2 years ago, and I voiced it often on this board. It's hard to imagine how many dense people are associated with this program, both fans and administrators.

 

[lighty]

How would you explain the Wash. St. and Mich St. games? Shouldn't Flood get credit for those?

If two close losses are reason enough for you to keep him as coach, I pray you have no involvement in the actual decision.

 

[seels2662]

I don't get it. You won. After 3 years you got what you want it. He has to go now. But that is not enough, you need to make sure that you flush out every person and hammer them until there is a Penn State like collective mind here.

The last chapter in this sad story will be when 2/3 of the loud mouths on this site will all be gone within 12 months once they find out who the next coach is and disapprove.

 

[RUforlife]

I don't get it. You won. After 3 years you got what you want it. He has to go now. But that is not enough, you need to make sure that you flush out every person and hammer them until there is a Penn State like collective mind here.

The last chapter in this sad story will be when 2/3 of the loud mouths on this site will all be gone within 12 months once they find out who the next coach is and disapprove.

This board and those on it have zero influence over the decision making process for the administration. People are venting because they are frustrated. Free boards always tend to be dominated by the most vocal and obnoxious group of fans. I would rather have a new coach next year, but that is not happening. We are going to at least split the next two and might win both and get a bowl game. Rutgers is not firing a coach for going 4-8/5-7 after taking the team to a bowl game in his first three years. Those who believe they will have no understanding of this university and the historic role of athletics and how decisions are made and funding. So both sides need to relax and enjoy the next two or three games, because college football is a short season and the off season is very long.