Tommy walked out of practice last week?

ExxHusker

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Tom Herman took a team without a QB with a poor record and found a way to scheme and discipline them into one of the big new years day bowls with one more win. Nebraska is setting the bar way to low. This team had plenty of talent to do much better. I was not used and how can anyone say they couldn't run the ball when they never tried in any serious committed way with a sound scheme taking advantage of the hand they were dealt. This staff wanted to pound a square peg in a round hole (their hole) rather than adapt. They could have put a stop to undisciplined play but they didn't and it cost them today. I'm not so sure they were capable of better game management. You just can't fix some things.
 
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GeorgeFlippin

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Tommy won quite a few games under the previous staff running more of a zone read system. The coaches should have played to Tommy's strengths and ran a lot of zone read and option this year, until they could find a QB capable of running their system.
Yep, as with the whole offense running the zone read. Guess they didn't watch that much film from last years team to see what they could incorporate into this years version. Oh well.
 

HuskersMan34

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Tommy won quite a few games under the previous staff running more of a zone read system. The coaches should have played to Tommy's strengths and ran a lot of zone read and option this year, until they could find a QB capable of running their system.

His stats were incredibly similar last year to this year except for his carries and yards on the ground. The offense wasn't the problem. It was that Tommy didn't have someone like Ameer Abdullah to pick up the slack. We also didn't have two or three extra cupcakes on the schedule.
 

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His stats were incredibly similar last year to this year except for his carries and yards on the ground. The offense wasn't the problem. It was that Tommy didn't have someone like Ameer Abdullah to pick up the slack. We also didn't have two or three extra cupcakes on the schedule.
Making TA not run is like making Carrot Top do stand up without props...stupid
 
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HuskersMan34

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Tom Herman took a team without a QB with a poor record and found a way to scheme and discipline them into one of the big new years day bowls with one more win. Nebraska is setting the bar way to low. This team had plenty of talent to do much better. I was not used and how can anyone say they couldn't run the ball when they never tried in any serious committed way with a sound scheme taking advantage of the hand they were dealt. This staff wanted to pound a square peg in a round hole (their hole) rather than adapt. They could have put a stop to undisciplined play but they didn't and it cost them today. I'm not so sure they were capable of better game management. You just can't fix some things.

You're talking about Houston? Alright.......

1: they were 8-5 last year. They didn't have a poor record.

2. their offensive numbers were almost better last year."

3. They're playing in the AAC and have been one of the better teams in whatever conference they've played in for the last several years.

4. going back to Nebraska "They could have put a stop to undisciplined play" How? In what way? If it were that easy, why didn't the last coaching staff do it?
 

HuskersMan34

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Making TA not run is like making Carrot Top do stand up without props...stupid

eh. There's always the argument they saw what was behind him and were trying to limit the pounding he took. Once he got hurt, we got a dude who can't run at all and who threw five picks. I would have liked to see a few more keepers, especially early in the year when his legs were still fresh, but I get why they didn't call them. It's pretty clear they were fine with him pulling it down and making something out of nothing if there was green in front of him, but Tommy fell in leaving with heaving it up.
 
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What should the staff has done to these guys? Bench them when they showed they were damaged? They would have lost the team immediately.
 

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I would have to side with TA on this one, they have asked TA all year to play a style he just isnt good at, when they go to the roll outs ,2 man patterns, pass run options hes a different and dynamic player, I like DL as a person but he has been incedibly selfish and narrow minded with his play calling, trying to call plays he finds interesting or whatever it is and totally immune to calling plays that seem more basic but have been far more effective.
 

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I would have to side with TA on this one, they have asked TA all year to play a style he just isnt good at, when they go to the roll outs ,2 man patterns, pass run options hes a different and dynamic player, I like DL as a person but he has been incedibly selfish and narrow minded with his play calling, trying to call plays he finds interesting or whatever it is and totally immune to calling plays that seem more basic but have been far more effective.

This is weird.
 
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Tarheelhusker

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Pretty much pass out.

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I would have to side with TA on this one, they have asked TA all year to play a style he just isnt good at, when they go to the roll outs ,2 man patterns, pass run options hes a different and dynamic player, I like DL as a person but he has been incedibly selfish and narrow minded with his play calling, trying to call plays he finds interesting or whatever it is and totally immune to calling plays that seem more basic but have been far more effective.
In contrast to last year when he was running something he was good at? Hello, he was terrible last year too!! He just happened to have a better supporting cast last year. I've been a Husker fan for 50 years and I can't remember a worse group of running backs than this year. Our receivers are above average but you still have to get them the ball. Line was average at best as run blockers.
 

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In contrast to last year when he was running something he was good at? Hello, he was terrible last year too!! He just happened to have a better supporting cast last year. I've been a Husker fan for 50 years and I can't remember a worse group of running backs than this year. Our receivers are above average but you still have to get them the ball. Line was average at best as run blockers.

And let's be honest, the receiving corps isn't all that great.We don't have a break away receiver. We have a lot of possession receivers, but people like Reilly's development this year leads me to belive we have a pretty good WR coach, because he was incredibly mediocre to start the year.
 

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I don't get the whole square peg round hole thing. TA rushed for 1,281 yards and 16 touchdowns, and passed 1,945 yards and 29 touchdowns (2 interceptions) his senior high school season. He completed 59 percent of his passes. Armstrong threw for 279 yards and three touchdowns in the state quarterfinals and rushed for a touchdown. He had offers from had offers from Oregon, Kansas, Missouri, Mississippi State, Southern Miss, TCU, and UCLA. I'm watching TCU right now, doesn't look like a zone read team to me.

There is no reason TA can't run this offense, he just insists on being Superman and admitted as much after the game. I think it is a ego thing, not a talent thing.
 

ExxHusker

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Tommy's edge is his mobility. Not his passing acumen. He does not have the mechanics or the ability to come off his pre determined target. He also tries to be superman and makes horrific decisions. Square peg in round hole. The mechanic alone cause maybe half the turnovers. My guess is high school DB's couldn't make him pay for his weaknesses.
 

BornNBredRed

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Yes, what would we do without the undertalented walk on who couldn't beat out Tommy Armstrong?

and yet Tommy will never have the touch and arm strength that he does. All he lacks is some experience. Tommy has three years of experience and he still plays like he did today.
 

JHball

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Oh for god's sake. Yeah, because Riley hasn't even disciplined anyone this season. Except for, you know, all those guys who were suspended for games this season.
I didn't think it was Riley that was suspending most of those guy. Could be wrong
 

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I'm not a fan of either Langsdorf or TA right now, but I believe the results would be better with players that fit their system. You can't continue this supposed hybrid thing another year. You make a clean break from the older players that don't fit your system. You use that in your recruiting as well. Let guys go that don't fit. Pull scholly's where you have to. Keep those around that will be good practice players, but you have to make wholesale changes to the personnel of the team, and that needs to happen before spring ball.
 
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I'm not a fan of either Langsdorf or TA right now, but I believe the results would be better with players that fit their system. You can't continue this supposed hybrid thing another year. You make a clean break from the older players that don't fit your system. You use that in your recruiting as well. Let guys go that don't fit. Pull scholly's where you have to. Keep those around that will be good practice players, but you have to make wholesale changes to the personnel of the team, and that needs to happen before spring ball.
TA's decision making cost us games last year as well. He hasn't learned. Langsdorf is a very good QB coach and has coached him hard and he hasn't learned. Time to move on. I love TA's competitiveness and attitude for the most part but his decision making has killed us this year. IF our D was lights out maybe we could have overcome all the turnovers and missed reads but it wasn't so we didn't. I have to wonder what a Fyfe or Darlington might have done this year in this offense had they gotten all the 1st team reps and playing time. IMO we might have been seeing better decisions by now. Bush I'm afraid looks like TM/TA part 2.
 
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It's hilarious you assume you know how to think about "the long term" better than the guys who are there every day.
Just saying, I think it would have been helpful for the coaches to sit TA a time or two after he displayed bad decision making. Do you not agree with this?
In no way do I think I know more than coaches but that doesn't make them perfect either.
 

HuskersMan34

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Just saying, I think it would have been helpful for the coaches to sit TA a time or two after he displayed bad decision making. Do you not agree with this?
In no way do I think I know more than coaches but that doesn't make them perfect either.

After what I saw of Ryker Fife's decision making, no I don't think it would have been helpful. I said this during the Rutgers game, but if sitting was going to help Tommy's decision making he wouldn't have thrown an interception coming out of halftime. I think there would have needed to be a quarterback that could actually challenge Tommy for the starting job in order for "sitting" him to work.

From comments the coaches made during the season, I think Tommy is pretty mentally fragile. If his confidence is shot, he plays even worse. If the coaches show they support him, he can actually pull it together. He did that against Miami and Michigan State. He didn't do it against Rutgers or Iowa for whatever reason.
 

HuskersMan34

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I'm not a fan of either Langsdorf or TA right now, but I believe the results would be better with players that fit their system. You can't continue this supposed hybrid thing another year. You make a clean break from the older players that don't fit your system. You use that in your recruiting as well. Let guys go that don't fit. Pull scholly's where you have to. Keep those around that will be good practice players, but you have to make wholesale changes to the personnel of the team, and that needs to happen before spring ball.
What supposed hybrid thing? I swear to god, some of you act as though you've never seen a pro style system before. That's what we're running. It allows for quarterback runs, but isn't built around that. What Beck was running was a "supposed hybrid" and it's why the offense never had an identity.
 

jeans15

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If Tommy had 700 yards rushing this year too, this team would have a better record and less INTs. The guy has thrown for more TDs than any QB in the BIG.

Oh if theO line and Rbs and Wrs are average, Why do you think the QB is average. Lol