Tough conversation: is Allar good enough?
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Still not as good as the OSU teams since Urban. And the years OSU was #1, Joe lost to them. How would Joe have done if he had to play Bear Bryant’s Bama teams every year?
I’m just tired of the fantasy narrative that Franklin is compared to by some on this board.
but what of nattys? Don’t urban and day have nattys (yes)
Just more
People love to remember a history that we don't actually have.
Joe had 2 nattys yo 82 n 86. I was there for both.You mean Joe didn’t have 20 NC and B1G titles?
We're in the horns of an enema.“I hope Franklin doesn’t win too much because I want him to stay.”
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"No where to go but up!" Fanboy of a team that has 5 top 10 finishes in 9 years.
I'm beginning to suspect you suffer from an emotional or mental disability.
Let's get Urban Meyer. Fired for losing and embarrassing ownership in his last job. Leaving Ohio State after a suspension for covering up staff spousal abuse. Leaving Florida after a well documented history of ignoring drug use and criminal behavior by his players including murderer Aaron Hernandez.
Sounds like a perfect fit for Penn State.
And a molesting pedo leading the vaunted defense during those years. Worth it?
That’s unnecessary, and unfairly besmirches Joe. Joe was worth it. He did a lot of good.
I would take Schiano or Rhule before I would take Urban Meyer. Why would we ever want to bring the Urban dynamic into happy Valley? It would be a disaster.
I don’t want him, just responding to the comment that said nobody beats top 5 teams. Some people only care about winning no matter how much of a scumbag the coach is.
Nobody said nobody beats top 5 teams. There are a handful of coaches who beat top 5 teams. It is usually the top 2-3 teams with wins vs the top 5 teams and those coaches are not coming to PSU.
The final top 5 will finish the regular season about 55-5 or better. Preseason top 5 is irrelevant. The field will go under .100 vs the top 5. The joebots act like we should go .500 vs the top 5. Schiano and Rhule have ZERO top 20 wins for their careers. Do they even cover a coaches record vs the top 5 for anyone other than Franklin? Most d1 coaches probably go their entire careers without a top 5 win.
Who has a good record vs the top 5? Probably the coaches that you all bash for cheating and buying players. Harbaugh, Urban, Dabo, and Saban. Dabo is no longer a hot commodity. Saban retired as soon as his competitive advantage was gone. Franklin at PSU probably has a better record than Saban at MSU. Harbaugh was on the hot seat until he started cheating.
That was the word, not sure how true it is. Rumor was also that Urban to PSU was all but a done deal at one point.
Urban was probably the choice with pending sanctions when most coaches did not want the job. It is kind of irrelevant at that point.
Joe wanted Jay. Joe was keeping the seat warm for Jay who was not even qualified to be an assistant.
People talk a lot about "record vs Top 5" - and it is very bad. But also, kind of silly since no one has great records vs "Top5" - its just that HCJF's record is kind of an outlier of "really bad".
What, I think, should be more disconcerting is record vs entire Top 25. One might reasonably expect a football coach at PSU (or OSU, or Michigan, or whatever "blue blood" you look at) to have at least a 500-ish mark vs ranked teams, and hopefully a winning record.
Under HCJF PSU is 16 and 28 vs ranked teams. Dropping nearly 2/3 of all games against ranked teams, IMO, is a far more "negative" item than being 1-13 (or whatever it is, I haven't checked) vs Top 5.
Integrity and wins are my priorities. Urban Meyer has very little integrity.
Isn’t it somewhere that Joe wanted Meyer? Or maybe had Meyer and somebody else as his choices? I seem to remember it but can’t remember where.
By your definition it's not a big game when we play OSU, their talent level is far superior to ours and has been for a decade.
If you get rid of Franklin there's probably a 90% chance the next guy will not be as successful, because Franklin has PSU performing better than 90% of CFB on an annual basis. On top of that, he supports a lot of PSU's traditional values. Getting rid of him would be monumentally stupid.