Not stopping any wars, piling on the spending and debt, expanding the surveillance state with Palantir. He couldn't be a more exact opposite of what was required of the moment. I can't wait for No Child Left Behind Part 2.
Trump has morphed into W on steroids, when we needed Ross Perot
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Do you include policies aimed at dismantling the departments of education, energy, commerce, interior as well as defunding the CPB and Planned Parenthood?
W was all over those wasn't he?
Trump Derangement Syndrome
Trump Derangement Syndrome is a term applied by some writers to describe critics of US President Donald Trump, including liberals and progressives, (and some Republicans) whom they accuse of responding to statements and political actions by Trump in a manner verging on the irrational, without regard to his actual position or action or policy.
See since they don't like me personally, they naturally have to find fault with my actual policies!
Isn't it amazing DJT, that the very folks who do criticize your policies never offer better alternatives?
I'm used to it, I just wish they'd also give me some credit when the policies they criticize actually work!
Never DJT...then they'd have to admit to their irrational TDS, and they wear that affliction like a badge of honor!
Yeah, they're just jealous at the end of the day I guess?
Or bat sh*t nuckin' futs!
Trump Derangement Syndrome
Trump Derangement Syndrome is a term applied by some writers to describe critics of US President Donald Trump, including liberals and progressives, (and some Republicans) whom they accuse of responding to statements and political actions by Trump in a manner verging on the irrational, without regard to his actual position or action take
See since they don't like me personally, they naturally have to find fault with my actual policies!
Isn't it amazing DJT, that the very folks who criticize your policies never offer better alternatives?
I'm used to it, I just wish they'd also give me some credit when the policies they do criticize actually work!
Never DJT...then they'd have to admit to their irrational TDS, and they wear that affliction like a badge of honor!
Yeah, they're just jealous at the end of the day I guess?
Your Trump Derangement Syndrome is on the opposite end. He can never do wrong in your eyes.
Remember this? Called it when he started this tariff nonsense:
The recession "package" that Trump sent to the House is a mere 9 billion a year. Without codification, Trump's actions to DOGE recommendations are merely lipstick on a pig.
Planatir, no comment, huh? Handing over the largest spy database on American citizens to the CIA's pet company, what could go wrong?
Imagine you have this, and think... we need to spend more!!
CBO projects that interest costs in 2025 will total $952 billion. Net interest costs under CBO’s projections (which generally assume that current laws remain the same) would rise from $952 billion in 2025 to nearly $1.8 trillion in 2035. Servicing the debt is expected to double in the next 10 years, provided we can find buyers for the debt. They had a hard time selling the 10-year notes last month.
We are living Idiocracy out in real life.
You'd probably be stunned and even amazed at how much I agree with you that we need drastic reductions in both our discretionary as well as our entitlement spending!Your Trump Derangement Syndrome is on the opposite end. He can never do wrong in your eyes.
Remember this? Called it when he started this tariff nonsense:
The recession "package" that Trump sent to the House is a mere 9 billion a year. Without codification, Trump's actions to DOGE recommendations are merely lipstick on a pig.
Planatir, no comment, huh? Handing over the largest spy database on American citizens to the CIA's pet company, what could go wrong?
Imagine you have this, and think... we need to spend more!!
CBO projects that interest costs in 2025 will total $952 billion. Net interest costs under CBO’s projections (which generally assume that current laws remain the same) would rise from $952 billion in 2025 to nearly $1.8 trillion in 2035. Servicing the debt is expected to double in the next 10 years, provided we can find buyers for the debt. They had a hard time selling the 10-year notes last month.
We are living Idiocracy out in real life.
Matter of fact it might even surprise you to learn I don't think Trump's proposals go nearly far enough addressing those two prominent drivers of our annual deficits!
My own personal desires would dwarf Trump's plans.
That being said, you act as if he's a "Dictator" who doesn't have to address the fact that roughly half the Congress, as well as their voting constituencies are hermetically sealed to sucking on big government's feeding tits and have been sucking on them for literally decades!
That "giant sucking sound" Ross Perot infamously mentioned during his brief run for President back in '92, was a nation addicted to government largesse.
I am under no illusions about how it will certainly take more than one 4 year term of Trump's MAGA agenda to even begin to climb out of this deficit hole we've dug for ourselves as relentless tit suckers.
Again I ask, what are the better alternatives you've heard to Trump's current approach, given the political realities he's having to face just to get these miniscule attempts at fixing this mess passed into Law?
I'll get behind whoever or whatever you think is the better alternative to Trump's ongoing efforts, even with all their obvious shortcomings.
Feel free to provide what policies or person advocating them I should be behind instead of Trump?
Got someone or something for me?
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Massie:Got someone or something for me?
Interesting again. I've heard this somewhere before. like in January...
FWIW I wish Elon could run for President. Unfortunately he's not eligible being Foreign born, but I'm waiting for his domestic political protege to step up. Trump's efforts are only a start, yet look at the pure Hell he catches from both sides of the swamp as well as the Praetorian guard legacy media over even these modest proposals to tame this deficit monster?
You've correctly stated it several times, we're in deep doo doo...and it's going to take a transformational non aligned political leader with true vision and balls of steel to carry the torch forward Trump has lit.
Trump has shown the way we should go and pointed us in the proper direction, unfortunately he doesn't have enough time or political capital to see this journey through.
Massie's on it, but how much of a political constituency does he have? That small district in Texas he represents will not get him nominated to guide the current makeup of the GOP.
Again, I agree with 95% of what you point out about the deficit trouble we're in, we just disagree that Trump's approach is either wrong or misguided. It's political reality.
Again, no wrong in your eyes. This is Trump's Big Beautiful Bill, BBB, should we just call it Build Back Better? This isn't the House's doing. This is Trump. Johnson worked with Trump for this Bill.
Math doesn't care about your politics.
Pass something reasonable or shut it down. W, errr, I mean Trump doesn't have the balls.
I missed that.
How you can confuse Texas and his actual self-sustaining eastern Kentucky farm. Wow.
You are ignoring two critical aspects of this bill!
1) IT HAS NOT PASSED IN ITS FINAL VERSION
2) Once it does pass...there are various mechanisms that will come into play that will dramatically alter the spending plan after it's passed.
For instance there is a process called "sequestration" where some of the money appropriated by Congress can be withheld or simply restricted within certain departments.
There is also something called "reconciliation"...where the final version between the House and Senate receives further revisions in order to meet certain criterion established by Trump's OMB.
There is also something called "recissions" where once the money is authorized, OMB can implement some of the DOGE recommendations consistent with Congressional directives over specific line items approved.
There is also something called budget analysis or budgetary review, where money allocated can be re-directed or transferred within certain agencies after careful studies as to where best to allocate resources to stay within designated spending limits.
The most important thing no one discusses, is the tremendous amount of NEW REVENUES that will begin pouring into the US treasury as the historic tax cuts, regulation cuts, and additional private investments begin percolating throughout the US economy! Any cursory review of the dynamic caused by additional revenue created from tax cuts to individuals as business shows historically that they have added billions to the US treasury and cannot be ignored as we decide how best to allocate additional discretionary resources once the appropriations bills have been signed into Law!
All of these factors obviously don't spell a solution to our massive debts and ongoing fiscal operating deficits, however none of these important tools are being factored into the "doomsday" scenarios being painted over this spending bill as it currently stands, even when the final version hasn't even been signed into Law yet!
Let's get these tax cuts passed. Let's pass significant regulation reductions. Let's see more business investments expanding economic activity, and lets have lower energy costs giving a boost to this economy so more revenues can start circulating both through the private economy and ultimately to the Treasury.
It's not all bad, as bad as it all is.
Yes, He's from Kentucky...it was my mistake calling him a Representative from Texas. My bad. Got him confused with another Congressman from Texas who also doesn't sign onto a lot of what's in this bill....Chip Roy.
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Will you join the cacophony coming from the Left squealing like pigs stuck in a pen once their precious lifeline to worthless Government spending gets shut down and Trump is blamed for it?
I have a feeling that's exactly what most swamp creatures would like to see, since they have no other tools to attack Trump's initiatives.
There isn't one proposal under this spending bill as it stands to "cut" Medicare. Not one! Yet, all you hear from the Praetorian guard legacy media which parrots the shrill screeching from the unrepentant Left is "Trump is cutting Medicare...people are gonna die!"
This modest reduction in the rates of growth in Medicare spending, as well as some reforms over how certain recipients access benefits (ie: work requirements for the able bodied) is giving some GOP members in the Senate all sorts of conniption fits! Again THERE ARE NO CUTS TO MEDICARE SPENDING IN THIS BILL...yet here you are complaining that because it doesn't go far enough, we should just shut Medicare down altogether simply because we're reducing the rates of growth under current baseline projections!
You accused Trump of being W on steroids. I'd suggest your political reality is TDS on the same thing!
I didn't mention Medicare in this thread at all. It needs cut.There isn't one proposal under this spending bill as it stands to "cut" Medicare. Not one! Yet, all you hear from the Praetorian guard legacy media which parrots the shrill screeching from the unrepentant Left is "Trump is cutting Medicare...people are gonna die!"
No able-bodied person should receive Medicare, I don't care if they have kids or not. It's a lifeline, not a way of life.
Could be, but it's the only way to keep the dollar from crashing at some point in our lifetimes, if not a decade or less. Obama's Medicaid expansion needs to be gutted, but nobody talks about that. I don't listen to the noise coming from the left. Math doesn't care about their noise, either.You accused Trump of being W on steroids. I'd suggest your political reality is TDS on the same thing!
As I said, I agree with 95% of what you've pointed out here. On Medicare, I 100% agree...stop paying for healthcare for able bodied people!
The only difference between you and me is I see Trump as a start towards getting this fiscal conflagration under control and you see him as simply lighting a fire to it. We'll just agree to disagree, and see how time and/or the facts proves who's right?
It's a tactic...why bring that to a full floor vote over a bill that only passed by literally 1 vote? Wait until the entire package passes, and use reconciliation or recissions to implement the DOGE recommendations.
That's doesn't make sense, either.
1. Chip Roy represents the region of Austin and north San Antonio.
2. Representation in the House is set up so that each elected official represents roughly the same amount of people (average of around 600,000 per each representative). My point being that when you say "small district", that's not accurate.
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Agree! Let's open up private equity markets individuals can invest their retirement savings in. Let's also means test it, so if you're earning 50% above the poverty level and don't need it...you can deduct your earned savings and any investment income earned off your taxes. Let's also make any benefits drawn 100% tax free.
My point (which you obviously missed) was neither GOP rebel has a large enough voting constituency to get elected on a platform of dismantling Social Security & Medicare. As much as I detest both Welfare programs run by the Government, they each do have large and quite active voting constituencies which will unarguably skewer either major political party candidate suggesting eliminating one or both wasteful but nevertheless popular programs.
Let me start by saying that you tried saying that his district was "small", or insignificant, when everyone's district in the House is approximately the same number of people they are representing.
I don't think any of them (Roy or Massie) want to "cut" either program. What I've read is that they want to "cut" the wasteful spending in each by putting up more barriers and restrictions/requirements for people to get benefits that they did not/do not deserve. I agree with them. I'm shocked other Republicans aren't on board.
Agreed. I'm not shocked no one in your worthless party is joining them in their sincere desires to eliminate as much of the waste, fraud & abuse in these programs as we can! The only thing folks YOU vote for in the Democrat party are saying is "Trump wants to cut Social Security & Medicare, and more people will DIE!!!!"
That's a solid alternative to curbing this debt monster threatening to swallow us all huh MWV?
Dems zero in on Musk wanting to cut Social Security, Medicare waste
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Musk, who is leading the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) under Trump, drew the ire of Democrats when he described federal benefit programs as rife with fraud and suggested they would be a primary target to slash government spending . Democrats took issue with Musk’s responses and argued the Tesla and SpaceX CEO wants to cut Social Security and Medicare.
So tell us @MountaineerWV ...what have YOU heard from your loser party that's the fiscally responsible alternative to rescuing these wasteful deficit producing boondoggles?
Oh I know!!!!! An even bigger government run program right!??????
Support for a single national health program is increasing
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When asked how the government should provide health insurance coverage, 36% of Americans say it should be provided through a single national government program, while 26% say it should continue to be provided through a mix of private insurance companies and government programs. This is a change from about a year ago, when nearly equal shares supported a “single payer” health insurance program (30%) and a mix of government programs and private insurers (28%). Most of the increase has come among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents. A 54% majority of Democrats and Democratic leaners now favor a single national government program to provide health insurance
Why Bernie Sanders’ Single Payer Health Care Plan Is a Total Disaster
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But we can already predict some of the economic consequences, at least in general terms. That’s because imposition of a government health-care monopoly—be it in the form of the Medicare fee-for-service system, the British National Health Service or the Canadian health system—has certain economic features in common:
- will rely on broad-based taxation, usually in the form of some sort of payroll tax. For example, liberals in Colorado pushed a single-payer initiative in 2016 to be financed by a 10 percent payroll tax, but it failed at the ballot box. Sen. Sanders has proposed a number of “options” to finance his proposal: a 7.5 percent payroll tax on employers, plus a 4 percent “income-based premium” on all Americans, the elimination of the tax breaks on employer-sponsored health insurance, and a series of new taxes on the wealthy.
- the program costs will surely outrun the official projections. In his analysis of the earlier version of Sanders’ bill, Thorpe estimated that the program’s cost would average $2.5 trillion a year creating an average of over $1 trillion per year financing shortfall.”
- the program will not be a model of simplicity. Sanders insists that the beauty of his proposal is that it will simplify American health care. This is nonsense. There is nothing simple about Medicare, and the nature of the diverse demand for medical services guarantees its regulatory complexity.
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Ok, didn't get through much of your attempt to turn this on me. But I'll wait for your criticism of Trump's bill that does NOTHING but add to the national debt. But, he is a Democrat. So it does explain a lot.Agreed. Too bad no one in your worthless party is joining them in their sincere desires to eliminate as much of the waste, fraud & abuse in these programs as we can! The only thing folks YOU vote for in the Democrat party are saying is "Trump wants to cut Social Security & Medicare, and more people will DIE!!!!"
That's a solid alternative to curbing this debt monster threatening to swallow us all huh MWV?
Dems zero in on Musk wanting to cut Social Security, Medicare waste, White House responds
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Musk, who is leading the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) under Trump, drew the ire of Democrats when he described federal benefit programs as rife with fraud and suggested they would be a primary target to slash government spending during Monday’s interview. Democrats took issue with Musk’s responses and argued the Tesla and SpaceX CEO wants to cut Social Security and Medicare.
So tell us @MountaineerWV ...what have YOU heard from your loser party that's the fiscally responsible alternative to rescuing these wasteful deficit producing boondoggles?
Oh I know!!!!! An even bigger government run program right!??????
Support for a single national health program is increasing
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When asked how the government should provide health insurance coverage, 36% of Americans say it should be provided through a single national government program, while 26% say it should continue to be provided through a mix of private insurance companies and government programs. This is a change from about a year ago, when nearly equal shares supported a “single payer” health insurance program (30%) and a mix of government programs and private insurers (28%). Most of the increase has come among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents. A 54% majority of Democrats and Democratic leaners now favor a single national government program to provide health insurance
Why Bernie Sanders’ Single Payer Health Care Plan Is a Total Disaster
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But we can already predict some of the economic consequences, at least in general terms. That’s because imposition of a government health-care monopoly—be it in the form of the Medicare fee-for-service system, the British National Health Service or the Canadian health system—has certain economic features in common:
Of course Democrats don't care about increasing our deficits...as long as they're in control of your healthcare...they're in control of your votes... which keeps them in power to control your lives.
- will rely on broad-based taxation, usually in the form of some sort of payroll tax. For example, liberals in Colorado pushed a single-payer initiative in 2016 to be financed by a 10 percent payroll tax, but it failed at the ballot box. Sen. Sanders has proposed a number of “options” to finance his proposal: a 7.5 percent payroll tax on employers, plus a 4 percent “income-based premium” on all Americans, the elimination of the tax breaks on employer-sponsored health insurance, and a series of new taxes on the wealthy.
- the program costs will surely outrun the official projections. In his analysis of the earlier version of Sanders’ bill, Thorpe estimated that the program’s cost would average $2.5 trillion a year creating an average of over $1 trillion per year financing shortfall.”
- the program will not be a model of simplicity. Sanders insists that the beauty of his proposal is that it will simplify American health care. This is nonsense. There is nothing simple about Medicare, and the nature of the diverse demand for medical services guarantees its regulatory complexity.
I've criticized this plan (not just Trump) but I've also been critical of what I call inadequate attempts to at least make bigger cuts to slay this deficit monster. Is it enough? Hell no! However we didn't get into this mess overnight, and not even Trump despite his boasting, can get us out of it overnight.
What's the best Democrat alternative besides constantly attacking Trump?
Remind me, who has the majority in both houses of Congress right now? If he wanted to cut spending, reduce the debt, then he would have had the votes to do that. Correct? Truman had "The buck stops here" on his desk.I've criticized this plan (not just Trump) but I've also been critical of what I call inadequate attempts to at least make bigger cuts to slay this deficit monster. Is it enough? Hell no! However we didn't get into this mess overnight, and not even Trump despite his boasting, can get us out of it overnight.
What's the best Democrat alternative besides constantly attacking Trump?
What's that Democrat alternative they're offering when they vote in lock step against Trump's plan?
The party in power made a lot of promises about spending and the debt. Something I actually agree with them on. Explain to me why if they have the majority and a Republican POTUS that we aren’t seeing it become reality? (You don’t have to answer since you haven’t before).What's that Democrat alternative they're offering when they vote in lock step against Trump's plan?
We ARE getting spending cuts...that's why the nuts in your party were bombing Telsa dealerships, and voting against every penny that only reduces the increasing amounts of deficits we're spending in future years. What were mindless Dems bitching about in these spending bills if there are no cuts?
Don't tell me they were lying!
Here’s what’s in the GOP’s ‘big, beautiful bill’
- The legislation includes significant cuts to Biden-era tax credits for climate-friendly energy sources.
- It also seeks to eliminate Biden-era regulations that are expected to reduce the share of new gas-powered cars sold in the U.S.
- Medicaid and health care reforms are key pieces of a significant portion of the bill crafted by the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which was tasked with finding more than $800 billion in savings
- Republicans are pushing for well more than $1 trillion in cuts to federal spending to ride alongside the tax piece.