U.C. Davis student leaders, American flag optional at meetings

[WVPATX]

UC Davis student leaders say American flag display should be optional at meetings

It sure seems like many libs just hate the flag.



The resolution says that since “the concept of United States of America and patriotism is different for every individual, it should not be compulsory that the flag is in view at all times during Senate meetings.”

Jose Antonio Meneses, who introduced the resolution, said the changes were meant to ensure the student government is following federal law, which he says doesn’t allow an organization to mandate displaying the flag.

“It wasn’t political in any way,” Meneses said. “But because it is the United States flag ... it’s a touchy subject to talk about. We want to make sure we are not sued.”

Gofman disagreed, saying all governing bodies within the U.S. – including a student senate – should display the flag.

“It was a purely political issue from the start,” Gofman said.


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[op2]

UC Davis student leaders say American flag display should be optional at meetings

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There are lots of crazy things on college campuses nowadays but I don't see how this is one of them. What differences does it make whether there's an American flag on display at a meeting? Who cares?

 

[WVPATX]

There are lots of crazy things on college campuses nowadays but I don't see how this is one of them. What differences does it make whether there's an American flag on display at a meeting? Who cares?

I, and many others care. The flag is a symbol of America. It shows respect for those that came before us and created this country and all the liberties we possess.

Why do libs insist on removing the flag? It was present at every meeting before, why change it? Who does it harm?

The Dem party, particularly the young are going to destroy the party. Middle America will not like this one bit. The Dems are truly becoming a costal party full of interest groups many of which have disdain for our country.

 

[op2]

I, and many others care. The flag is a symbol of America. It shows respect for those that came before us and created this country and all the liberties we possess.

Why do libs insist on removing the flag? It was present at every meeting before, why change it? Who does it harm?

The Dem party, particularly the young are going to destroy the party. Middle America will not like this one bit. The Dems are truly becoming a costal party full of interest groups many of which have disdain for our country.

The question isn't "Why remove the flag?" but rather "Why was it there in the first place?"

 

[WVPATX]

The question isn't "Why remove the flag?" but rather "Why was it there in the first place?"

It was there as a sign of respect for where we came from, who we are, what ideals the flag represents, recognition of those that died so that this country could survive, etc.. It is proudly displayed all over this nation in both public and private locations. It is not a question of why it was hung at a public university, the question is why is it deemed so offensive that some want it removed? Nice try.

 

[Airport]

The question isn't "Why remove the flag?" but rather "Why was it there in the first place?"

You are holding the meeting in the United States of America. The flag is the symbol of the United States of America. If you can't understand that, maybe you should pack up and go to where you think it doesn't matter.

 

[WVPATX]

You are holding the meeting in the United States of America. The flag is the symbol of the United States of America. If you can't understand that, maybe you should pack up and go to where you think it doesn't matter.

I honestly don't understand the thinking of libs on this matter. They must have utter disdain for this country and what it represents and for those that died to keep it secure. To even ask why the flag was there in the first place demonstrates such disdain.

 

[op2]

It was there as a sign of respect for where we came from, who we are, what ideals the flag represents, recognition of those that died so that this country could survive, etc.. It is proudly displayed all over this nation in both public and private locations. It is not a question of why it was hung at a public university, the question is why is it deemed so offensive that some want it removed? Nice try.

Is there a US flag in the room where you're sitting right now?

 

[WVPATX]

Is there a US flag in the room where you're sitting right now?

Actually there is. I fly a flag at my home. Again, nice try. BTW, my office building also flies a flag.

But again, you miss the point. The flag was placed in this meeting room at a public university (where state funds are used to run the school). It can now be removed because of a vote of the students. What are the students so afraid of? What are you so afraid of? What about the flag distresses you so much?

I hope libs, like you, keep this up. It will ensure conservative political domination. Most Americans love and respect this country and the flag represents those feelings.

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

The question isn't "Why remove the flag?" but rather "Why was it there in the first place?"

then maybe the new question should be "why shouldn't we remove all federal funds from UC Davis"...or maybe "why were federal funds there in the first place"?........if our flag ain't good enough for you then our cash isn't either.....liberal swine

 

[op2]

Actually there is. I fly a flag at my home. Again, nice try. BTW, my office building also flies a flag.

But again, you miss the point. The flag was placed in this meeting room at a public university (where state funds are used to run the school). It can now be removed because of a vote of the students. What are the students so afraid of? What are you so afraid of? What about the flag distresses you so much?

I hope libs, like you, keep this up. It will ensure conservative political domination. Most Americans love and respect this country and the flag represents those feelings.

So if you fly "a" flag at home then there are lots of rooms in your house that don't have a flag, unless your house is one big room. Why do you have so many rooms without a flag? Why are you not a patriot?

This whole thing is an example of something we see more and more of these days from both the far left and the far right and that is making a big battle of the symbolic things that don't actually affect anything.

 

[WVPATX]

So if you fly "a" flag at home then there are lots of rooms in your house that don't have a flag, unless your house is one big room. Why do you have so many rooms without a flag? Why are you not a patriot?

This whole thing is an example of something we see more and more of these days from both the far left and the far right and that is making a big battle of the symbolic things that don't actually affect anything.

What a stupid, ridiculous argument. Again, I asked you several questions. Are you afraid to answer?

The flag is a huge statement. It represents the ideals of this country. It represents those that died preserving this country and those ideals.

Again, I hope libs like you continue to show utter disdain for the flag. It will ensure conservative domination. Symbols can be very powerful and none more powerful in this country than the flag. Too bad you and your fellow libs don't understand that.

 

[op2]

What a stupid, ridiculous argument. Again, I asked you several questions. Are you afraid to answer?

The flag is a huge statement. It represents the ideals of this country. It represents those that died preserving this country and those ideals.

Again, I hope libs like you continue to show utter disdain for the flag. It will ensure conservative domination. Symbols can be very powerful and none more powerful in this country than the flag. Too bad you and your fellow libs don't understand that.

What questions? Your questions sounded rhetorical, like "what am I afraid of?" and "What distresses me about the flag?"

The flag is fine. I don't mind the flag a bit. But I think it's silly to fight over whether it's on display at a meeting (unless the meeting has something directly to do with the flag).

 

[moe]

UC Davis student leaders say American flag display should be optional at meetings

It sure seems like many libs just hate the flag.



The resolution says that since “the concept of United States of America and patriotism is different for every individual, it should not be compulsory that the flag is in view at all times during Senate meetings.”

Jose Antonio Meneses, who introduced the resolution, said the changes were meant to ensure the student government is following federal law, which he says doesn’t allow an organization to mandate displaying the flag.

“It wasn’t political in any way,” Meneses said. “But because it is the United States flag ... it’s a touchy subject to talk about. We want to make sure we are not sued.”

Gofman disagreed, saying all governing bodies within the U.S. – including a student senate – should display the flag.

“It was a purely political issue from the start,” Gofman said.


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Maybe they should have just taken a knee.

 

[atlkvb]

I honestly don't understand the thinking of libs on this matter. They must have utter disdain for this country and what it represents and for those that died to keep it secure. To even ask why the flag was there in the first place demonstrates such disdain.

I tried to explain this the other day PAX...they hate what this country represents. Through the Constitution, which by definition limits Government, and our founding principles which places a "Creator" above the State, both those concepts are like holy water on a Vampire to the Left.

If they could find a way to do away with both...they would. They even hate saying the "the pledge of Allegiance" because it says we are one Nation under God....

They hate the very thought of it.

 

[WVPATX]

What questions? Your questions sounded rhetorical, like "what am I afraid of?" and "What distresses me about the flag?"

The flag is fine. I don't mind the flag a bit. But I think it's silly to fight over whether it's on display at a meeting (unless the meeting has something directly to do with the flag).

You don't mind the flag? What a statement. Men and women have died for what that flag represents and you don't mind it? What a statement and tells me all I need to know about you. I am very hopeful that most libs think like you.

 

[WVPATX]

Maybe they should have just taken a knee.

That's what libs do.

 

[op2]

I tried to explain the other day PAX...they hate what this country represents. Through the Constitution, which by definition limits Government, and our founding principles which places a "creator" above the State, both those concepts are like holy Water on a Vampire to the Left.

If they could find a way to do away with both...they would. They even hate saying the "the pledge of Allegiance" because it says we are one Nation under God....

They hate the very thought of it.

It's not as simple as the left hate the notion of a Creator because the left are the ones bending over backwards to please religiously conservative Muslims.

 

[WVPATX]

I tried to explain the other day PAX...they hate what this country represents. Through the Constitution, which by definition limits Government, and our founding principles which places a "creator" above the State, both those concepts are like holy Water on a Vampire to the Left.

If they could find a way to do away with both...they would. They even hate saying the "the pledge of Allegiance" because it says we are one Nation under God....

They hate the very thought of it.

I have come to the same conclusion. They do dislike what the flag represent because they dislike the very notion of this country and what it stands for.

 

[atlkvb]

What a stupid, ridiculous argument. Again, I asked you several questions. Are you afraid to answer?

The flag is a huge statement. It represents the ideals of this country. It represents those that died preserving this country and those ideals.

Again, I hope libs like you continue to show utter disdain for the flag. It will ensure conservative domination. Symbols can be very powerful and none more powerful in this country than the flag. Too bad you and your fellow libs don't understand that.

Maybe we should be wearing pink knit caps shaped like a penis, to show our solidarity with Women's rights?

It's just a symbol right?

 

[WVPATX]

It's not as simple as the left hate the notion of a Creator because the left are the ones bending over backwards to please religiously conservative Muslims.

No, they are bending over backwards to please a minority group. It has nothing to do with religion. They want them as part of their identity coalition.

 

[WVPATX]

Maybe we should be wearing pink knit caps shaped like a penis, to show our solidarity with Women's rights?

It's just a symbol right?

There has been a segment of liberalism that has always hated this country. I see that segment growing by leaps and bounds.

 

[atlkvb]

It's not as simple as the left hate the notion of a Creator because the left are the ones bending over backwards to please religiously conservative Muslims.

So most Leftists have no problem with us honoring or owing our subservience as a Nation to a "Creator"? That's OK with most Leftists?

A Constitution that limits or restricts Government's authority over us is OK with the Left?

 

[op2]

No, they are bending over backwards to please a minority group. It has nothing to do with religion. They want them as part of their identity coalition.

The minority group is a religious group. If it was simply about being against those that believe in a Creator then they'd be against both Christians and Muslims. I'm not defending those that stick up for religiously conservative Muslims since I think catering to groups that promote misogyny and homophobia and intolerance is wrong but I'm just noting that it can't be as simple as "People that believe in a Creator = bad."

 

[WVPATX]

So most Leftists have no problem with us honoring or owing our subservience as a Nation to a "Creator"? That's OK with most Leftists?

A Constitution that limits or restricts Government's authority over is OK with the Left?

Its more than the Constitution and its recognition of God. Libs believe we are a bad country, some libs believe an evil country. Imperialistic. Lording our power over others. Using a lot of the world's resources. A racist country. An intolerant country. Especially at the collegiate level but not limited to that.

 

[WVPATX]

The minority group is a religious group. If it was simply about being against those that believe in a Creator then they'd be against both Christians and Muslims. I'm not defending those that stick up for religiously conservative Muslims since I think catering to groups that promote misogyny and homophobia and intolerance is wrong but I'm just noting that it can't be as simple as "People that believe in a Creator = bad."

Libs want Arab Muslims to become a part of their identity group. To heck with what they do to gays, women, etc. They are votes to be had. And if a few eggs get broken in the process, so be it.

Libs ignore the religion. They want the Arab minority to vote Dem.

 

[op2]

Its more than the Constitution and its recognition of God. Libs believe we are a bad country, some libs believe an evil country. Imperialistic. Lording our power over others. Using a lot of the world's resources. A racist country. An intolerant country. Especially at the collegiate level but not limited to that.

I don't think we're a bad country at all. In fact I think we're a great country. But that said, one path towards not staying great is making everyone say we're a great country instead of allowing criticism of it.

And I don't think the US Constitution mentions God at all.

 

[atlkvb]

I'm just noting that it can't be as simple as "People that believe in a Creator = bad.

I'm saying it Op2!

To most on the Left, belief in a Creator, and placing that concept as important to our founding or as a Governing principle holding any position of prominence as an organizational prerequisite as a Nation is detestable and unforgivable.

They view the entire concept as either superfluous, silly, or stupid.

 

[moe]

Libs want Arab Muslims to become a part of their identity group. To heck with what they do to gays, women, etc. They are votes to be had. And if a few eggs get broken in the process, so be it.

Libs ignore the religion. They want the Arab minority to vote Dem.

Make America White Again!

 

[WVPATX]

I don't think we're a bad country at all. In fact I think we're a great country. But that said, one path towards not staying great is making everyone say we're a great country instead of allowing criticism of it.

And I don't think the US Constitution mentions God at all.

It mentions creator. Creator is God. You can criticize all you want, people have died giving you that right. And the flag represents those people that sacrificed it all. This is very different than criticism of the country. It is disrespect. Sorry you can't see that.

 

[WVPATX]

Make America White Again!

You're proving my point. This is not about white America. You seem to believe that immigrants (non white) must be behind this. You may be right. But why should those immigrants not have the same respect for the flag as others? Are they not assimilating? We are all Americans, right? You made the bigoted point that they must be minorities that asked for the right to remove the flag. Interesting.

 

[atlkvb]

And I don't think the US Constitution mentions God at all.

The preamble to it, which defines the parameters under which we will govern ourselves and organize our government mentions it specifically and places it as supreme to the State.

The hierarchy goes like this Op2:

Creator orders the Nation

The people order the Government to run the nation under God

The Government serves the people to protect the Nation & rights from the Creator who has ultimate authority over all.

All of that is so much raw sewage to the Left, which sees only The State as supreme, and themselves as overseers of it.

 

[moe]

You made the bigoted point that they must be minorities that asked for the right to remove the flag. Interesting.

Who knew I could say so much with 4 words. Please show me that part, I can't find it. Surely your total meltdown is nearly complete, have you been rolling on the floor and holding your breath too?

 

[op2]

Libs want Arab Muslims to become a part of their identity group. To heck with what they do to gays, women, etc. They are votes to be had. And if a few eggs get broken in the process, so be it.

Libs ignore the religion. They want the Arab minority to vote Dem.

I agree that that is downright ridiculous. They'll hammer a conservative Christian baker that doesn't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding and then an ultra-conservative Muslim will do something crazy to women or gays or whatever and they'll defend them. It is nutty.

It all comes down to having principles. Have good principles and then follow them. If you pick and choose when you apply the principles then you don't have any principles at all.

There is actually a term for those on the left that selectively apply liberal principles. It is "the Regressive Left." The idea is, if you're going backwards on womens rights and gay rights then you're regressive.

The term was coined by Maajid Nawaz. He is a Brit of Pakistani heritage that at one time was an active Islamist. (Jihadis are trying to bring about Muslim governments through violence while Islamists try to do so within the political system.) Eventually he spent four years in prison in Egypt. And eventually he came to his sense. He is a Muslim today but a normal person and he runs the Quilliam Foundation in England, which is devoted to fighting extremist Islamic narratives that help recruit people to the extremist cause.

Google Maajid Nawaz. Watch some video of him. He's great. But he'd probably be considered socially liberal so other than the Islam thing you might like anything he says.

 

[op2]

The preamble to it, which defines the parameters under which we will govern ourselves and organize our government around mentions it specifically and places it as supreme to the State.

The hierarchy goes like this Op2:

Creator orders the Nation

Government orders the Nation

The people order the Government to protect the rights from the Creator who has ultimate authority over all.

All of that is so much raw sewage to the Left, which sees only The State as supreme, and themselves as overseers of it.

And what if you don't believe there is a Creator?

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

Maybe they should have just taken a knee.

good one....me likey

 

[WVPATX]

Who knew I could say so much with 4 words. Please show me that part, I can't find it. Surely your total meltdown is nearly complete, have you been rolling on the floor and holding your breath too?

Make America white again! That tells me you believe the students that requested the right to remove the flag were non-white. Why do you believe this and is it not racist to make that assumption?

You're suggesting that only non-whites would want the right to remove the flag. Again, very interesting and enlightening into your thinking.

 

[bornaneer]

Let me add my two cents.....I don't care if a flag is flown or not...I don't see what the big deal is all about. I also don't know why we have to play the national anthem at sporting events.....whats the point? You all know that I'm a conservative Republican.....correct?

 

[atlkvb]

And what if you don't believe there is a Creator?

It's a free country Op2. The organizing principles of this free country don't change if you choose to reject them. You're protected too, but they don't change just because you disagree with them.

That is NOT the way the Left operates though. Disagree with the Supremacy of the State, time to shut you down and lock you away or shout you off a stage, or attack you for being a "denier".

 

[WVPATX]

And what if you don't believe there is a Creator?

That's ATL's point. Many libs don't believe in a Creator thus they dislike the Constitution because it recognizes that our rights come from the Creator, not from man or from government. Therefore, they can never be taken away. He believes that is why so many libs hate the flag and what it represents.