UK Football has been on a self inflicted probation for the past 50 years.
The NCAA couldn't do anything worse than what we've already gone through.
UK a potential landing spot for Lane Kiffin per USA Today
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The NCAA couldn't do anything worse than what we've already gone through.
not necessarily - See UT - he was not blazing the earth - I liken him to an older rich guy always looking for the next pretty young girl as a trophy for the arm....doesn't mean he did anything to deserve that trophy - it just happens
I would rather have someone who WANTS THE JOB for the right reasons other than it is a head coaching job so I can get a better head coaching job.
He just reminds me of a dude like this
Had it been ANY other job besides Southern Cal, where he was basically reared as a coach by Pete Carroll and had been on the staff there for several years, I'd be willing to bet he would have stayed in Knoxville.
Honestly, I've lived through 2 football probations and I see no difference in what we've gone through the last seven years . And when I think of the excitement and fun we had during the Curci and Mumme years , hate to say it , but it was TOTALLY worth it . I AM NOT ADVOCATING CHEATING THOUGH !
At least we don't have years of lower scholarship restrictions ahead of us like we did during the probation years.
Everyone cheats. In today's age, if you aren't reporting some sort of secondary recruiting violations, you're doing something wrong. Every single year, all of the top teams report secondary violations.
None, it's a simple no. Mitch had to be dragged kicking and screaming to hire Cal. Mitch shouldn't have a say if a new coach is needed.
Some of you would rather lose for the rest of their Kentucky life than hire somebody with "baggage" that could be somewhat successful. Bobby P. Briles. Kiffin. The second coming of the bear himself could come walkin through the door but if he hooked up with a 25 year old college co ed, you'd be up in arms over his poor loving wife. Personally I could give a "velvet painting of a whale and donkey getting it on" about their baggage if they could win 6 or more wins.
Your a riot, all you can do is grasp at strawmen arguments and never provide any true facts about the guy that would point to failure. I can say anything, anything at all like, hes going to win many titles. See how easy that is.
You are not backing up anything you are saying with any facts whatsoever. Fulmer had a disaster of a season and with a roster that many concindered bare by UT standards. Kiffin come in and recruited a very nice class and had UT playing very hard and made them respectable once again. You keep bringing up he was 7-6 at UT in the SEC east in his time at UT. UT had only won 5 games the year prior and with Kiffin picked up an additional 2 wins over the previous year and a bowl game. They finished 3rd in the east up from being 5th of 6 in the east the year prior.
Here are his losses on the season.
UCLA 15-19 Had 4 Turnovers that killed them and almost won it at the end
@no.1 Florida 13-23 (finished 13-1 on the year sugar bowl champ ranked 3)
Auburn 22-26 (finished 8-5 record outback bowl champs unranked)
@no.1 Alabama 10-12 (finished 14-0 BCS champs no1)
@ Ole Miss 17-42 (finished 9-4 cotton bowl champs ranked 20)
no.12 VT 14-37 (VT finished with a 10-3 record and a no 10 ranking)
You also bring up the SEC east like it was terrible back then. Florida had Urban Meyer, SC had Spurrier, Georgia had Richt etc etc etc.
Prob the best success of the east was during this time. The east had 5/6 teams finish the season with winning records and only Vandy was under .500 with a 2/10 record. Their was some big battles between the SEC teams during this era of play, lots of good teams.
You need to be bringing it with facts on why he was a miserable failure. But we know you can't because you don't have any facts to back up your general statement.
Not backing it up with facts? What do you call his record as a head coach at each stop?
Inconvenient as it may be, that's actually the most relevant fact. He just hasn't won, despite having superior talent. And he's left a message everywhere he's gone.
We simply have different UK football stress levels amongst years of stressors...bad either way.
35-21, and he went into bad situations at UT and USC. He's an ******* who would do a much better job than our last 2 hires.
Doing better than our last 2 hires? Is that really the standard? That's a pretty pathetically low bar.
Oh, his record sucks because he took over tough situations? What do you think he'd be taking over here? Also, I don't think a #1 preseason ranking at usc qualifies as a "tough situation". Of course they free fell out of the top 25 and kiffen basically had to walk home.
Plus kiffen will undoubtedly be expensive. Finally, he's proven mediocre as a head coach.
So a surprising number of fans are all in on overpaying for a mediocre coach who's already proven he can't win in the sec east, even with superior talent?
I'm all for hiring Kiffin, but if you do there has to be a Bobby Petrino type buyout clause for him to leave for greener pastures. I have no idea why Mitch put's multi-million dollar buyouts on our coach's contracts if we were to fire them but doesn't include the reverse clause to where we would get paid handsomely if our coach is poached from another program. Makes absolutely no sense.
In my opinion, we have nothing to lose. If Kiffin coaches here for 4-5 years and doesn't succeed we're back to where we are today. If he screws up and is a PR nightmare or gets us on probation, it can't be any worse than things are now. Not winning with 4 star players and not winning due to sanctions is all the same to me...it's still LOSING. It's time to WIN, make a splash hire even if there is risk involved.
In my opinion, we have nothing to lose. If Kiffin coaches here for 4-5 years and doesn't succeed we're back to where we are today. If he screws up and is a PR nightmare or gets us on probation, it can't be any worse than things are now. Not winning with 4 star players and not winning due to sanctions is all the same to me...it's still LOSING. It's time to WIN, make a splash hire even if there is risk involved.
The reason this program is where it is today is because of thinking like yours. Brooks proved you could improve without cheating but then the administration dropped the ball when we needed our biggest and most important hire of all, and they failed. Get a cheater in here again and we might as well drop football forever because we will get caught. We ain't UNC.
Problem is, he did not have superior talent at Tenn. That is not a fact. That is BS, if he had so much down talent, why didn't superman Fulmer win with it ? Fulmer was fired, hence the reason Kiffen was hired. What exactly did the coach do the year after Kiffin left UT and USC for that matter if he had so much GD talent,,, surely with all that talent, the next coach probably went what 10-2 , 11-1 ?? I will answer that for you, no, they did not.
Some of you in this thread are acting like UK is Georgia and the way Georgia fans THINK they are in the same league as Bama. WE are UK, anybody thinking Kiffin is not UK material like we can get better,,, well I just shake my head. Exactly what do some of you expect UK football to be ? and What kind of hire do you think we can make ??? Answer those two questions, I will know more about where you are coming from with your "Kiffin is not good enough" mentality.
Some of you in this thread are acting like UK is Georgia and the way Georgia fans THINK they are in the same league as Bama. WE are UK, anybody thinking Kiffin is not UK material like we can get better,,, well I just shake my head. Exactly what do some of you expect UK football to be ? and What kind of hire do you think we can make ??? Answer those two questions, I will know more about where you are coming from with your "Kiffin is not good enough" mentality.
Oh my not secondary violations!!!!! I bet no programs not even ours commits any of those. [eyeroll]
Oakland was a disaster and was distened to be. Not many guys are going to listen to a coach the same age or younger than them. But he butted heads from the start with the general manager and owner in nkt wanting to draft Jamarcus Russell. That whole season was a whirlwind of drama on that team with Russell refusing to sign a contract and stringing them along.
Usc was not a disaster as he had to deal with the ncaa allowing upper classmen juniors and seniors to transfer anywhere they wanted and a good deal of the guys left because of the bowl ban. Then the 30 scholarship reduction of signees over the 3 years.
What he did was pretty remarkable.
Besides you have sunshine pumpers here proclaiming stools needs another couple of years because his guys are young. Even though we are not on probation or have a reduction of 30 scholarships and all the upper classmen leaving to go play elsewhere.
Seems their is a 2 way street on this board.
Lets assume everything you say is true about UT not having good talent under Lane. Then hows he supposed to win here? He'll have, at best, comparable talent to what he had at UT. And he couldnt win there, in the same division.
Then he goes to USC and couldnt win with incredible talent there.
He needs superior talent to even have a chance at success. He wont have that here.
We need someone with experience building a program, winning with inferior talent, and hopefully hang around once theres success. None of those things describe Kiffin. In fact hes just the opposite.
He would do as good as any coach we have had since the late 70's or since the bear was here.
LOL wow what a statement. And to think you called me out saying I dont cite facts....
Fact: He cant win without superior talent (he hasnt even proven he can win with superior talent yet, but I digress). Here, he would not have superior talent.
Fact: Hes already failed to win at a much better program, in our own division.
Fact: He has not been successful as a head coach at any of this stops.
Fact: He has never built a program
Fact: He does not stay at any job for long.
I mean its not as if hes some unknown. Hes been a HC at a few different places. Its not like we dont have a decent sample size with which to evaluate his work.
My issue with Kiffin isn't his baggage, its that he's a mediocre head coach and would be a terrible fit here.
How did he fail to win at UT ? He was there ONE (1) year. And if he had sooooo much talent and it was his coaching as the reason he did not win, what did the next coach do with the SAME talent ????? If Kiffin did not win with it, and the next coach did not win with it,,,, was there really that much talent there to begin with ?? Oh I guess the coach after him was terrible also. Nobody answered my question (s), what do you expect from the UK football program year in, year out, and what kind of coach can / should we hire ??? Come on football gods who are saying no way for Kiffin, answer me ?? By the way, I am not for nor against Kiffin, but to spout off "No way" for him without reasoning and facts, I think some are just reading internet fan reactions and using their reasoning.
Kiffin would be a bad fit at UK because he is too brash and has too much swagger. UK likes their football coaches nice and boring. Just fill that gap until basketball season.
I can't say one way or another how good of a fit he would be. I'm just making the point of passing on a decent hire whether it is kiffin or someone else because of moral reasons. Especially when they go to a rival school and embarrass us as a program year in and year out. The "but he is a scumbag" crowd is who I am speaking of.
Sure UT fans are going to bad mouth him, they where the girl who got dumped and thought they where above that, UT fan base is just like Georgia's, they think they are Alabama, USC is fixing to fire their current coach, and will be the 5th coach in 12 years, sounds like nobody is good enough for there. Marcus Allen and OJ are not coming thru that door right USC, Stanford is owning your *** now, time to face it, you are not a top 5 right now, quit acting like it. Haven't been in a long while.
I don't agree with this. Petrino and Briles are proven winners. There is zero doubt about it. Kiffin, on the other hand, I am not sure he's a proven winner as a head coach. 28-15/17-12, regardless of the hand you were dealt, is not someone worth taking a shot at knowing he would bolt the moment he had any success and knowing he has some baggage. If you're going to take a chance on someone with baggage, make sure it is someone like a Petrino or Briles.
How did he fail to win at UT? Does it matter? He lost.
Then for good measure, he went on to not win at USC too. Just to be sure.
Oh I agree. I wasn't saying he would be a success here or even a good hire. But to not hire somebody who has literally pulled less than great teams from the dumps and put them into national spotlight because of baggage is asinine. Clearly speaking of Briles and Bobby P. Kiffin is still to be determined but he can't be worse than what we got at this present day. The one thing we do know about him is that he can in fact recruit. But could he recruit to UK. Again to be determined.
Their is no reasoning with you. Youre just one of those fans who no matter who it is or what they have accomplished they are not good enough.
Were you ok with the stoops hire?
If we were serious about this, I'd agree. I don't think we are where we are because of prior cheating, we're where we are because we've got an AD and current administration that has no vision for the program past shooting for a toilet bowl.
Personally I'd rather risk it and roll the dice. We aren't losing anything.
I'd be all for this hire. But Mitch would have to write a fat check to get him here. Kiffin will be a head coach again and a very good one at that. He's still very young and has a ton of experience already. His time spent with Saban will pay huge dividends down the line. Whoever hires him will not get the Kiffin that coached at USC.
I would rather have Briles. Even Orgeron.
But right now, were going to be the beggars in this contest.
But right now, were going to be the beggars in this contest.
Your facts are your opinions.
I was giving you an example of an opinion which you quoted me on. You cannot refute it with facts and i cannot prove it with facts because it is an opinion. Just like your feelings for kiffin.
What coach does not hop around from job to job. Assistant coaches do that all the time and i guess thats what you wre referring too because as a head coach he only left UT. 1 school but i guess with agenda posting thats what you do twist reality and ignore facts.
Improve UT with recruits and their previous record? Proven with facts this occurred.
Took a depleted usc team that had only over 60 players playing not counting injuries etc. Matter of fact if you cannot claim he failed at usc because they were already sinking into the abyss when Carrol was coach. His last year they were 5-4 in the pac12 the same as Kiffin in his first year.
What are the rankings for usc now?
You simply disregard any facts and create your own
The same story mentioned possibility of Kiffin to Arizona because Rich Rodriguez wanted to be back on the east coast.....Let AZ have Kiffin I'll take Rich Rod!
Kiffin has NEVER PROVEN that he's a good head coach....Good Lord, some of you are clueless. He couldn't even succeed at USC and UT and now you think he can turn around UK? What a joke.