Vaccines for children

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Would you expect the pro-vaccine folks to do studies or research on the negative aspects of vaccines?
If by "research on the negative aspects of vaccines" you mean reporting (and respecting) findings that indicate negative outcomes........the, yes, this happens all the time. That's why there are tons of medicines/vaccines/therapies that never make it to public consumption.
 

yoshi121374

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Would you expect the pro-vaccine folks to do studies or research on the negative aspects of vaccines?

That is like asking the folks who are against immigration to spend their time researching reasons and building arguments for why immigration is a good thing for the US.

When there are different opposing opinions on something, accusing the opposite sides argument as falling apart because "your "key" studies are funded by organizations that are noted for their anti-vaccine propaganda" is kinda silly when you consider they ARE going to use the opposite stances research.

Who do you think is pro-vaccine? I'm pro science, I'm pro experts.

I'm not pro dumbass internet sleuths who have preconceived ideas and try to find things that support their feelings.
 
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TigerGrowls

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Insurance companies that have billions on the line have already confirmed a huge spike in death of younger people since the clot shot was administered. It's not just a coincidence.

In the same vein the number of recommended vaccine shots for kids has went way up just as the cases of autism have risen. Take your correlation and causation slogans and stick it. Not buying it.
 

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Insurance companies that have billions on the line have already confirmed a huge spike in death of younger people since the clot shot was administered. It's not just a coincidence.

In the same vein the number of recommended vaccine shots for kids has went way up just as the cases of autism have risen. Take your correlation and causation slogans and stick it. Not buying it.
Have insurance companies confirmed a huge spike in death of younger people since the covid mrna vaccine was administered?

Some sources, including actuarial analyses, have reported an increase in excess deaths among younger populations since the COVID-19 pandemic began. However, the vast majority of these reports, and statements from major insurance industry groups, do not attribute this increase to the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines.


Here's a breakdown of what the available information indicates:
  • Excess Deaths in Younger Age Groups: Data from various sources, including the CDC and actuarial groups like RGA and the Society of Actuaries, have shown an increase in excess deaths (deaths above the expected baseline) among younger adults (e.g., ages 0-44 or under 40) in the U.S. during the pandemic, particularly in late 2021.


  • Primary Attributed Causes:
    • COVID-19 itself: The highly contagious Delta variant, which surged in 2021, affected younger individuals more significantly than previous variants. Insurance industry leaders and public health experts have largely attributed the increase in deaths, including among younger working-age individuals, to COVID-19 infections.


    • Deferred medical care: Delays in seeking medical care for other conditions during the pandemic are also cited as a contributing factor to excess deaths.


    • Drug overdose deaths: The rise in drug overdose deaths has also impacted mortality figures, particularly in younger age groups.
  • No Causal Link to mRNA Vaccines Confirmed by Insurance Companies:
    • Major life insurance industry organizations, such as the American Council of Life Insurers (ACLI), have explicitly stated that COVID-19 vaccines did not cause an increase in deaths or life insurance payouts. They have debunked claims that beneficiaries are denied claims if a person died after vaccination.



    • While some individual studies or analyses may explore potential correlations, the consensus from official insurance industry statements and major public health organizations is that there is no established causal link between the mRNA vaccines and a spike in overall deaths in younger people.
  • Myocarditis and Pericarditis: It is important to note that very rare cases of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining around the heart) have been reported, primarily in adolescent and young adult males, after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination, especially after the second dose. However, these cases are generally mild, and individuals typically recover quickly. Public health agencies and medical experts consistently state that the benefits of vaccination in preventing severe COVID-19 outcomes (including death) far outweigh these rare risks.



  • Misinformation: There has been significant misinformation circulating online falsely attributing excess deaths to COVID-19 vaccines by misinterpreting data or making unsubstantiated claims. Fact-checking organizations have repeatedly debunked these claims.


In summary, while there has been an increase in excess deaths among younger populations, the prevailing evidence from insurance companies and public health authorities points to COVID-19 infections, deferred medical care, and other factors as the primary drivers, not the mRNA vaccines.

 
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TigerGrowls

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Have insurance companies confirmed a huge spike in death of younger people since the covid mrna vaccine was administered?

Some sources, including actuarial analyses, have reported an increase in excess deaths among younger populations since the COVID-19 pandemic began. However, the vast majority of these reports, and statements from major insurance industry groups, do not attribute this increase to the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines.


Here's a breakdown of what the available information indicates:
  • Excess Deaths in Younger Age Groups: Data from various sources, including the CDC and actuarial groups like RGA and the Society of Actuaries, have shown an increase in excess deaths (deaths above the expected baseline) among younger adults (e.g., ages 0-44 or under 40) in the U.S. during the pandemic, particularly in late 2021.


  • Primary Attributed Causes:
    • COVID-19 itself: The highly contagious Delta variant, which surged in 2021, affected younger individuals more significantly than previous variants. Insurance industry leaders and public health experts have largely attributed the increase in deaths, including among younger working-age individuals, to COVID-19 infections.


    • Deferred medical care: Delays in seeking medical care for other conditions during the pandemic are also cited as a contributing factor to excess deaths.


    • Drug overdose deaths: The rise in drug overdose deaths has also impacted mortality figures, particularly in younger age groups.
  • No Causal Link to mRNA Vaccines Confirmed by Insurance Companies:
    • Major life insurance industry organizations, such as the American Council of Life Insurers (ACLI), have explicitly stated that COVID-19 vaccines did not cause an increase in deaths or life insurance payouts. They have debunked claims that beneficiaries are denied claims if a person died after vaccination.



    • While some individual studies or analyses may explore potential correlations, the consensus from official insurance industry statements and major public health organizations is that there is no established causal link between the mRNA vaccines and a spike in overall deaths in younger people.
  • Myocarditis and Pericarditis: It is important to note that very rare cases of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining around the heart) have been reported, primarily in adolescent and young adult males, after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination, especially after the second dose. However, these cases are generally mild, and individuals typically recover quickly. Public health agencies and medical experts consistently state that the benefits of vaccination in preventing severe COVID-19 outcomes (including death) far outweigh these rare risks.



  • Misinformation: There has been significant misinformation circulating online falsely attributing excess deaths to COVID-19 vaccines by misinterpreting data or making unsubstantiated claims. Fact-checking organizations have repeatedly debunked these claims.

In summary, while there has been an increase in excess deaths among younger populations, the prevailing evidence from insurance companies and public health authorities points to COVID-19 infections, deferred medical care, and other factors as the primary drivers, not the mRNA vaccines.

Per dpic,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ITS MAGICK!!!
 
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Yes, it means this publication is not worthy.

Sure, being "skeptical" or "curious" about the relationship between vaccines and ASD's is not necessarily a bad thing, per se. But your arguments fall apart when your "key" studies are funded by organizations that are noted for their anti-vaccine propaganda. The arguments fall apart when the journals that see these studies as fit to print are products of anti-vaccine organizations. It falls apart when the "peer review" can not be authenticated. It falls apart when the "peer review" panel consists entirely of noted anti-vaccine spokespeople. It falls apart when the board members of said publication have financial interests in therapies and supplements that they promote as the answer to healthy outcomes in lieu of vaccines.

It's a grift. These "experts" are screaming from the mountaintops about how "big pharma" is rigging it to make more money. (And, in many cases, they are). But the truth is that these "researchers" aren't getting any of that money so they shift an unsuspecting and gullible subset of the public into believing that alternative therapies are the answer. It just so happens that these "experts" also get to line their pockets when John Q Public buys those therapies.
You're so concentrated on that one publication. That was more of an accessory to my post.

Also, I've had a LOT of success with alternatives. Like complete cures for certain ailments. With zero side effects. Better than mainstream products or services in many cases. I can expand if you want.
 
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Would you expect the pro-vaccine folks to do studies or research on the negative aspects of vaccines?

When there are different opposing opinions on something, accusing the opposite sides argument as falling apart because "your "key" studies are funded by organizations that are noted for their anti-vaccine propaganda" is kinda silly when you consider they ARE going to use the opposite stances research.
Exactly. This is absolutely true, especially when you consider the current state of increasing vaccine hesitancy.
 
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If by "research on the negative aspects of vaccines" you mean reporting (and respecting) findings that indicate negative outcomes........the, yes, this happens all the time. That's why there are tons of medicines/vaccines/therapies that never make it to public consumption.
I'd say more medicines and therapies. Vaccines have more or less gotten a pass. Like I said, the safety science looks as if it's avoiding detection of negative outcomes. And it's pretty obvious.
 
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Who do you think is pro-vaccine? I'm pro science, I'm pro experts.

I'm not pro dumbass internet sleuths who have preconceived ideas and try to find things that support their feelings.
Per our conversation here, you obviously don't know the science. That's a problem for you, who claims to be on the side of science.
 
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Says the guy who posted Anti vaxx propaganda as science.
So is anything that says anything negative about vaccines antivax propaganda? That's a dangerous and unwise position to put yourself in. What if the truth was that vaccines actually do cause autism? Still just antivax propaganda?
 

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Go ahead and debunk Tenpennys statement.
From the Columbus Dispatch in 2021.........


In a packed hearing room at the Ohio Statehouse, Republican lawmakers gave the microphone to a known conspiracy theorist who has spread misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines.

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, a physician licensed in Ohio and author of "Saying No to Vaccines," shared her views, promoted her credentials and fielded questions for more than 45 minutes during a House Health Committee hearing on House Bill 248.

"I'm sure you've seen the pictures all over the internet of people who have had these shots and now they're magnetized," Tenpenny, of Middleburg Heights in Cuyahoga County, said. "You can put a key on their forehead, it sticks. You can put spoons and forks all over and they can stick because now we think there is a metal piece to that."
 

TigerGrowls

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This NEVER would have happened if Trump wasn't in office and brought RFK Jr. on to MAHA.

Unfortunately for the scumbags who have worked overtime for decades to KNOWINGLY poison us (especially our children), denying that mercury in their vaccines was one of the main contributors to soaring rates of autism, are gonna be exposed as evil liars when the rates of autism drop precipitously over time as a result of this move.

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RFK Jr. Bans Mercury in Vaccines After Two-Decade Battle: ‘No More Poisoning Pregnant Women and Children’
 

TigerGrowls

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A confession. People need to be executed for this if its fully proven.



In a covertly recorded phone conversation, the CDC's Dr. William Thompson openly admitted that the CDC lied and covered up evidence linking the MMR vaccine to autism.

"Thimerosal causes autism-like features... I'm completely ashamed of what I did. The higher-ups wanted to do certain things and I went along with it."

"I cannot believe we did what we did. But we did."
 

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🚨 BREAKING: RFK Jr. says HHS believes they have FOUND "interventions" which caused a MASSIVE spike in autism in children -- will announce in September

TRUMP: "There HAS to be something artificially causing this. Meaning a drug or something...I think we maybe know the reason..."

In 1970, 0.7 children in 10,000 were found to have autism

"Now, it's 1 in 12.5 boys," Kennedy said

Big pharma is NOT going to like this!
 
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RFK Jr. just REVEALED he has found the causes of autism.

This is the moment MAHA moms have been waiting for.

“We’re finding certain interventions that are almost certainly causing autism.”

“We will have announcements, as promised, in September.”

“In 1970, the biggest epidemiological study in history was done in Wisconsin. They looked at 900,000 children, and they were looking for autism … and they found an incident rate of 0.7.”

“In other words, less than 1 for every 10,000 children.”

“Today, our most recent numbers are 1 in every 31 kids.”

“It’s probably actually much worse than that, because California, which has the best collection system, is reporting 1 out of every 19 children American children has autism, and 1 in every 12.5 boys.”

“So, it’s gone from one, less than 1 in 10,000 in 1970 to 1 in 12.5 boys today.”
 
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RFK Jr. just REVEALED he has found the causes of autism.

This is the moment MAHA moms have been waiting for.

“We’re finding certain interventions that are almost certainly causing autism.”

“We will have announcements, as promised, in September.”

“In 1970, the biggest epidemiological study in history was done in Wisconsin. They looked at 900,000 children, and they were looking for autism … and they found an incident rate of 0.7.”

“In other words, less than 1 for every 10,000 children.”

“Today, our most recent numbers are 1 in every 31 kids.”

“It’s probably actually much worse than that, because California, which has the best collection system, is reporting 1 out of every 19 children American children has autism, and 1 in every 12.5 boys.”

“So, it’s gone from one, less than 1 in 10,000 in 1970 to 1 in 12.5 boys today.”



RFK Jr. just REVEALED he has found the causes of autism.

This is the moment MAHA moms have been waiting for.

“We’re finding certain interventions that are almost certainly causing autism.”

“We will have announcements, as promised, in September.”

“In 1970, the biggest epidemiological study in history was done in Wisconsin. They looked at 900,000 children, and they were looking for autism … and they found an incident rate of 0.7.”

“In other words, less than 1 for every 10,000 children.”

“Today, our most recent numbers are 1 in every 31 kids.”

“It’s probably actually much worse than that, because California, which has the best collection system, is reporting 1 out of every 19 children American children has autism, and 1 in every 12.5 boys.”

“So, it’s gone from one, less than 1 in 10,000 in 1970 to 1 in 12.5 boys today.”

Freaking idiocy on display. So much stupidity in this moron who is on charge of public health. Just dumb and is going to cause massive health issues when people stop vaccinating.
 
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Correlation does not equal causation, though 100% of the people confusing the two will die.
 

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yoshi121374

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Correlation does not equal causation, though 100% of the people confusing the two will die.

It's incredible the amount of ignorance and disinformation from the highest levels of governmental Health Care. Just incredible frustrating. No facts, not truths, just using stats to support preconceived ideas.
 
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I have explained repeatedly why the diagnosis of autism is in the rise. Anti-vaxxers don't want to hear facts that don't fit the narrative. They don't want to hear from experts who have literally worked with autistic children for decades.

There has never been a single study that hasn't been refuted as false, that has shown any connection between autism and vaccines. Not a single one.
don't know from vaccines. My kids got all the shots as prescribed by their doctors.

I do agree that we need to work harder to figure a reason for autism. There is a reason why we have greater occurrences now than in the past. We just don't know why.
 
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