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HailStout

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The good: Maduro is out of power. 17 him.

Important questions: Does the end justify the means? Should the US be the power tasked with removing dictators and, if so, shouldn't Congress be driving that? Or, are we happy with Congress delegating its Article I powers to 1 person (or very small group of people).

I am not concerned about the politics and more concerned with the process of it. I don't care to get into a strategy/motivation argument nor do I care how Biden, Obama, Bush, or Clinton would have gone about things either. I've been waiting decades for one of the "but the Constitution!!!1" parties to pretend that it exists or pretend that they respect the separation of powers that the founders built into the document for good reason.
Giving one man more and more power is the opposite of small central government. Tha absolute keystone of conservatism. The end can’t justify the means.
 

Jacknut

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The good: Maduro is out of power. 17 him.

Important questions: Does the end justify the means? Should the US be the power tasked with removing dictators and, if so, shouldn't Congress be driving that? Or, are we happy with Congress delegating its Article I powers to 1 person (or very small group of people).

I am not concerned about the politics and more concerned with the process of it. I don't care to get into a strategy/motivation argument nor do I care how Biden, Obama, Bush, or Clinton would have gone about things either. I've been waiting decades for one of the "but the Constitution!!!1" parties to pretend that it exists or pretend that they respect the separation of powers that the founders built into the document for good reason.
Congress, lol. The only thing Congress is good for is voting themselves a raise. And yes, the end does justify the means.
 

HailStout

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Whatever power Trump takes, the next president will have it too. And there will be someone from the other side at some point. Everybody okay with President AOC having the same amount of power? If you are cheering for the way he is going about getting stuff done, then you better be
 

Jacknut

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Whatever power Trump takes, the next president will have it too. And there will be someone from the other side at some point. Everybody okay with President AOC having the same amount of power? If you are cheering for the way he is going about getting stuff done, then you better be
You see, this is the excuse republicans use to not do anything, then when the tables turn the demonrats have no problem justifying their means to an end. Use it while you got it, baby!
 

Dawgzilla2

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The good: Maduro is out of power. 17 him.

Important questions: Does the end justify the means? Should the US be the power tasked with removing dictators and, if so, shouldn't Congress be driving that? Or, are we happy with Congress delegating its Article I powers to 1 person (or very small group of people).

I am not concerned about the politics and more concerned with the process of it. I don't care to get into a strategy/motivation argument nor do I care how Biden, Obama, Bush, or Clinton would have gone about things either. I've been waiting decades for one of the "but the Constitution!!!1" parties to pretend that it exists or pretend that they respect the separation of powers that the founders built into the document for good reason.
Legit concern. He was basically arrested in a foreign country to answer for a criminal indictment in the US, which we dont typically have legal authority to do. But, its pretty much what we did to Manuel Noriega, who was captured, tried, and convicted in the US.

I imagine Maduro's first defense will be that his arrest was illegal, and we'll see how that goes.
 

T-TownDawgg

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Legit concern. He was basically arrested in a foreign country to answer for a criminal indictment in the US, which we dont typically have legal authority to do. But, its pretty much what we did to Manuel Noriega, who was captured, tried, and convicted in the US.

I imagine Maduro's first defense will be that his arrest was illegal, and we'll see how that goes.
Trump declaring Narco gangs as terrorist organizations on day one of this administration plays right into this. I doubt arrest legality supersedes that.
 
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ETK99

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Legit concern. He was basically arrested in a foreign country to answer for a criminal indictment in the US, which we dont typically have legal authority to do. But, its pretty much what we did to Manuel Noriega, who was captured, tried, and convicted in the US.

I imagine Maduro's first defense will be that his arrest was illegal, and we'll see how that goes.
We got Noriega in Panama previously, so this is nothing new.
 

BoDawg.sixpack

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I don't hate it. When you're sitting on the largest oil reserves in the world and you choose the narco economy over the oil and gas industry eventually you're going to get tagged. Venezuelans weren't allowed their voice so they used their feet.
 

Dawgzilla2

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Trump declaring Narco gangs as terrorist organizations on day one of this administration plays right into this. I doubt arrest legality supersedes that.
We don't have blanket legal authority to just arrest/kill people in foreign countries who we claim are members of terrorist organizations, either. Its a complex legal issue, and "arrest legality" is very much involved.
 

T-TownDawgg

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We don't have blanket legal authority to just arrest/kill people in foreign countries who we claim are members of terrorist organizations, either. Its a complex legal issue, and "arrest legality" is very much involved.
I know it’s complex, but don’t be naive.

GITMO has been slam full of ISIS, Hamas, and AlQueda, terrorists arrested abroad for the past 20 years.

The State Department could have easily sent in a hit squad, cruise missles, or seeded a coup to have him killed, but extracted him instead.

Quadaffi and Sadam Hussein received no such quarter.
 
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grinningmule

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-The Venezuelan people celebrating in the streets seem to be happy about it.
- Chavez started this when he seized American assets. Reports are we parked a missile in his mausoleum. Nice.
-China got checked. Cuba is now in a worse position. Mexico is on notice about their coziness with the cartels.
-Instead of wasting fuel and ordnance on our bombing ranges we should strike every drug cartel asset south of the border.
-After wiping out the cartels we need to legalize drugs. Prohibition should have been a major lesson on legislating vices and the rise of the Mob during that time but then again politicians are effing idiots.
-Legalize heroin tomorrow and I still won't use it or any other currently illegal drug. Legalize it, regulate and tax the **** out of it.
-Stabilize Venezuela's oil industry and economy and their people who were forced to flee will move back.
 

BTCMoonBoy

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I know it’s complex, but don’t be naive.

GITMO has been slam full of ISIS, Hamas, and AlQueda, terrorists arrested abroad for the past 20 years.

The State Department could have easily sent in a hit squad, cruise missles, or seeded a coup to have him killed, but extracted him instead.

Quadaffi and Sadam Hussein received no such quarter.

I’ve heard maduro was a Muslim dictator so it should be ok now with the progressives
 
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Shmuley

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We don't have blanket legal authority to just arrest/kill people in foreign countries who we claim are members of terrorist organizations, either. Its a complex legal issue, and "arrest legality" is very much involved.
Which is why he won’t be allowed to set foot on the US Mainland.
 

mstateglfr

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China is a ruthless, corrupt, criminal, communist monster. Their culture is based on deception, lies, and copy-catting stolen property. Think: USSR without the mutual adversarial respect.

China plays dirty, and they’ve gotten where they don’t care that everyone knows. Very dangerous.
Sounds like he should steal China's leaders then.

"China is doing bad things, so go steal the head of Venezuela!"
 
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