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Got a link? I have seen some OUTSIDE of the country celebrating, but none inside. The ones inside the country don't have anything to celebrate. The same regime is still in charge.
Edited to add: I did a search, not one video of celebrations inside the country. There were plenty from South Florida.
Just trust him. He saw some videos on the Internet.
You have got to be kidding? The entire country is celebrating. Even wokeass cbs and nbc are showing it
You do know the only thing missing is Maduro? The same regime is still there. If anything that acting President may be even more committed to the cause than Maduro. Look her up.
No, they aren't. Not inside the country. There are a lot of celebrations outside the country. Got a link?
Just remember that the vast majority of human beings would rather live under their own corrupt, authoritarian government than one imposed on them by foreigners. Just ask Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, most sub-Saharan African countries, etc. It's hard for us to accept with free American eyes, but history bears it out every time.
I think that this action was largely for show and we'll just work with the remainder of the Maduro Administration to give favorable deals with US oil companies and call it a win, but if we actually try to remake their government in our image, it's not going to end well. It never does.
I think that this action was largely for show and we'll just work with the remainder of the Maduro Administration to give favorable deals with US oil companies and call it a win, but if we actually try to remake their government in our image, it's not going to end well. It never does.
Germany and Panama had previously been democratic countries so it wasn't an alien idea to them. You could add Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania to the list. Adults in all of those countries remembered what freedom was like and had wanted to go back to it anyway.
Japan is a pretty good counterexample. They're a good counterexample to a lot of general rules.
Look it up yourself. You will find it within seconds. Why are you so unhappy Trump removed a muderous tyrant? Do you have the tiniest idea of what China was up to in Venezuela? If you believe this was 100% about oil then you are foolishly mistaken. This should be celebrated for the good it provides the US and Venezuela.
Insults, name calling, and tangents aren't facts to topic. They are emotions.
These tweets don't counter what my post was saying.
They are tangentially related, but address a distinctly different issue than what I was discussing.
Im reading the US Oil companies are not interested in Venezuela without some real stability there. What's the point in rebuilding the oil industry there if its just going to get taken away again?
And just like that Trump gets the Left to support an unelected narco dictator, the rule of law, and the Constitution. 
Not sure how much was used internally but if they are producing 900k per day it explains a lot.
Venezuela Crude Oil: Exports, 1980 – 2025 | CEIC Data
Venezuela Crude Oil: Exports was reported at 655.743 Barrel/Day th in Dec 2024. This records an increase from the previous number of 550.168 Barrel/Day th for Dec 2023.
I really haven't seen posters in this thread support Maduro.And just like that Trump gets the Left to support an unelected narco dictator, the rule of law, and the Constitution.
It seems like everyone views him as a bad person in various ways.
Maybe I missed someone say he is good and say they support him?...or maybe nobody here has said that.
Zero short term motivation to invest. Market based oil companies aren't going to dump billions into new infrastructure when there is a glut. Plus, they've been burned once before. A lot has to happen before our firms move back.
But Trump is pretty transparent that he wants us to go in and invest now. He's either being stubborn and doesn't understand why capital wouldn't simply flow to VZ or is creating a distraction for some other motivation. I think it's the former - he thinks in simple wins/losses. Why wouldn't we want to stake a claim on the world's largest proven reserves while we are playing geopolitical chess?
Whatever happens, I'm rooting for what the Venezuelan people want - which appears to be something democratic and a pivot away from crony socialism. I hope we don't get in the way of that bc we see high dollar assets over of the people that have been crapped on for decades.
Find someone here who supports Maduro.And just like that Trump gets the Left to support an unelected narco dictator, the rule of law, and the Constitution.
Got a link? I did a search and found none from inside the country. There were plenty from FLORIDA. Also, why are you lying about my position. It’s in this thread and it’s not what you said. You do realize that the regime has NOT changed at all there,right? We removed Maduro but the rest of them are still in power. You need to look up that VP. she doesn’t seem the type to work with us.
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Germany had no real tradition of democracy. They had had one for a time after WWI. Prior to WWI, they had some forms of democracy, but the Chancellor was not elected. He was appointed by and answered solely to the Kaiser. The country didn’t exist until 1871. Pre WWI Germany is a fascinating thing to read about. Otto von Bismark is also a fascinating subject.
I'm just going to concede that my followup wasn't the most well-thought-out post I could have made.
Nonetheless, it is absolutely true that most modern 3rd world populations have no interest in foreigners coming in and telling them how to run their governments, even when the new governments are objectively better to our Western eyes. We've seen it all over the world in the last few decades.
I don't know if we're going to try that with Venezuela (it looks like we may just let Maduro's VP stay in charge), but if we do, it will likely be a super expensive (think in the trillions) waste of time. I think 72 hours ago, that would have been a very bland, uncontroversial thing to say, and we would have even seen most Trump supporters respond with things like "this is exactly why we voted for Trump, to get the US out of these pointless, expensive foreign wars."
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So your stance is the local Venezuelans are happy but they aren’t celebrating bc of the people still in power?
then it’s still a good thing you moron!!
Name one thing up to this comment of yours that I said that wasn’t factual. I’ll wait patiently.
What do you think they were up to in Venezuela? Just take a guess but use your noggin and history.
So why are you upset that the USA took out a bad person?
A large majority of Venezuelans agree he was bad and many ex Venezuelans agree he was bad.
And he was indicted by a grand jury.
so why is it bad? Besides orange man bad. And if you give me some bs I’m gonna give you multiple examples of Biden and Obama doing the same thing.
Sounds like you agree with me and this is a good thing that trump did.
weird way of showing it!
In 1998, Venezuela was the wealthiest country in South America.
I think that if any country could become a stable prosperous country, it'll be Venezuela.
The country I worry about pushing for regime change is Cuba. THAT could be a $h1tshow.
I think that if any country could become a stable prosperous country, it'll be Venezuela.
The country I worry about pushing for regime change is Cuba. THAT could be a $h1tshow.
You care who trump pardons and you don’t care who Biden pardons and you don’t understand how that’s hypocritical/inconsistent?
Not interested in going back and forth with your autistic @$$.
Maduro, the leader, being removed is a good thing whether you think so or not.
I never said it wasn’t a good thing. You might need to look in the mirror on the autism thing. He needed to go, but we left the rest of the gang intact and in power so we really didn’t accomplish much at all. Look up that VP that is in charge now. She may be worse, and smarter, than Maduro. You have totally misunderstood what I’ve been saying in this thread.
I have already discussed why I am concerned about why and how this happened, despite recognizing Maduro sucks.
I am not interested in retyping that for you.
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