Very easy question. What would you do?
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Common sense gun laws would only work if all had the same amount of common sense and acted accordingly. Yeah, right! With that said I believe every citizen of the United State has the right to bear arms in accordance with instruction contained in the U.S. Constitution. If you are not a citizen, you have no right to bear arms in the USA. If a person falls outside the constitutional purview, he/she no longer have the rights provided. Much stronger gun laws for any offenders to include mandatory felony conviction. Gun dealers selling outside the existing laws receive a mandatory 20 year sentence for first offense.
Your comments are mostly legitimate in my opinion. A couple of comments.
You have to respect the entire Constitution. There is no such thing as a "mandatory felony conviction". Every citizen has the right to still be innocent until proven guilty even though that right seems to be trampled on by the justice system and police departments more often in today's society and that troublesome but a different subject. So, reword your comment to just a mandatory felony offense instead of conviction. My opinion is even stronger than yours. We have to do something about the number of guns one is allowed to own and the type of weapons. This is where I have an issue with the 2nd amendment as it is antiquated. Until the type of weapons allowed and the number is addressed, this country will remain to have a huge gun problem and gun violence will continue to increase.
I didn't say banned. I am not a gun expert in the least but i see no reason for assault type weapons and semi automatic guns being protected under the second amendment for the general public. This is a complex issue requiring a complex solution and i don't pretend to have the complete answer. I just know the status quo isn't working and i would support a different direction and when smart people can present options, i will either support or be against the proposal. At the present, i am sickened by the nra and those that support that bs.
Not that anyone cares what i think, but the original question is regrettably irrelevant in my estimation because there's no possible way of defining "common sense" for sides with positions so solidly entrenched in individual's BELIEFS.
Without a definition by the OP, all of these comments with open ended terms are invitations for argument with everyone applying their own meaning of the terms. There cannot be a meeting of diverse minds in such situations.
I am a canook living in Canada...who is in WV, W Pa, and various other states quite often...Just trying to add a different angle to your query...
Unfortunately with emotional topics like this moving sides is impossible. I went to an NRA function this evening as a guest with my father-in-law, which was attended by people of all types; Doctors, Laywers, Business Owners, LEO's, etc. I didn't see "gun nuts", as some like to call them, but I did see people who believe with all their heart in their constitutional right, and are passionate about protecting it.
I would be willing to bet that those that attend KKK rally's believe they don't feel they are promoting hatred but rather wanting to protect their 1st amendment rights.
Damn Mntneer, that post of yours was almost as dumb as McCarthy statement on the Benghazi committee being the cause of Hillary's poll numbers.
Damn Mntneer, that post of yours was almost as dumb as McCarthy statement on the Benghazi committee being the cause of Hillary's poll numbers.
how are things in the great southeast?.......8 inches of rain here in the last 5 days and it's still raining this am......Wilson the beagle is adjusting to life as a pampered pooch and I haven't played golf in 2 weeks......last time I played it was a disaster and I've got a big tourney in 2 weeks on a monster course near Richmond......we may never see the sun again
Are you sickened by these horrendous numbers? I don't see much about this on the national news. I am not a gun guy and not a NRA member or supporter, but since you seem to be up to speed on the NRA, how many of the murders in Chicago were committed by NRA members. I have heard a peep out of you about the slaughter of mostly African Americans that is taking place in our cities. I guess it doesn't fit your political agenda.
Final September Totals
Shot & Killed: 59I
Shot & Wounded: 303
Total Shot: 362
Total Homicides: 62
Year To Date
Shot & Killed: 349
Shot & Wounded: 1984
Total Shot: 2333
Total Homicides: 397
Precisely the point I'm trying to make; there is no way to simply allow for "common sense" viewpoints when sense......in this context......can essentially never be common among factions who have dissimilar basic beliefs. And I'm not taking DD to task for for his attempts to generate a reasonable dialogue here.
It's just that disagreement based on beliefs......which, by their very definition, are inherently correct to the individual and are therefore unassailable......is a problem that simply cannot be solved (nor, probably, should it be).
Is that a serious question to me after you have read my posts and opinions that I absolutely despise where our country is with gun violence? And who said all gun violence was committed by members of the NRA? Are you attempting to win the dumbest comment of the day or something?
Before another wingnut makes a post that thinks he is being smart while copy/pasting from a chain email and attempting to make a point using one of my comments, I will fully support the notion that the large majority of Americans both being NRA members and non-NRA members are responsible and law abiding citizens in terms of guns. So, don't try and deflect with a stupid comment if you want to discuss the opinion I put forth. Disagree with my opinion as you wish but at least attempt to stay on topic.
The fact of the matter is that almost all your posts always lay blame on the NRA. I also have NEVER seen you post a comment about the slaughter of African Americans in cities across this country. You only post about nut job shootings like have seen lately and are headlines in the media. With you it's always a liberal is good, conservative is bad bent. And for the record, the number of dead in these mass shootings PALES in comparison to the out of control killing in our cities every day.
Wrong again. Just like Obama said the other day, people have become immune to gun violence in this country and it has become "routine" when there is a murder. When it gets discussed is when there is a terrible tragedy just like a mass killing. However, if you want me to post daily and every 16 minutes when there is a death due to a gun, I will be glad to. That is how passionate I am on the subject unlike yourself that will discuss nonsense in order to deflect from the conversation.
Now on the specific points of your ridiculous post, I concede that the number of deaths from non-mass killings using a gun greatly out-numbers mass-killngs. I want action to reduce that number more than anything. So, you have made two posts in response to my comments and have missed on everything you have attempted to say. Why is that? Is it because you have absolutely nothing to say that is reasonable other make a stupid claim on Liberal vs Conservative ********?
Just as I expected. You are a fuking idiot. I think its time for you to get back into your closet, basement or whatever place you crawl out of.
Look, you dumbass. You are making posts about something that isn't even an argument but just filling up a whitespace. Try and read my opinion because to date, you have failed since you have a reading comprehension problem. I'm sickened by gun violence. All gun violence. Period. I don't spam posts on this board as you are alluding that one should. The reason you don't see a post every time there is a murder with a gun, there is one EVERY 16 MINUTES.
If you want to attempt to make a point, make it to those like yourself that do not want to do a damn thing about the problem. Until then, go **** yourself.
At this point I'll take you at your word that you are against all gun violence. I still have only seen you comment about the mass shooting like the one in Oregon and you always bring up the NRA. I also have NEVER seen any comment from you about all the carnage taking place in the cities. I expect your reply will be the usual name calling tirade that avoids answering when confronted. If you have factual evidence that shows you have commented on city gun violence, produce it for all of us to see.
What I can't quite figure out is why you both are arguing with such vitriol?!? Your values seem pretty much aligned so far as I can see, and you both make good points...perhaps a past disagreement? ....just sayin...
Because that's just what this Board is largely about......if someone is opposed to your overwhelmingly POLITICAL viewpoint, you're just automatically wrong and must be so informed. And others opposed to you often take their own time to pile on in a partisan way.
Pretty silly, eh ?? The new Ignore function has become quite useful for me here.
Exactly but in this case, I made my feelings and opinion known and the ignorant bastard is unable to comprehend anything and then just attempts to make a partisan point on something that isn't real. The particular poster does it everytime he touches a keyboard. I realize I am a party to the nastiness on this thread but damn, just read and understand what the other person is expressing and then if you have a point to be made, make it. But don't ask why one is not against gun violence when it has been made clear the person is against it. Geesh, it isn't brain surgery for those that have a brain and actually uses it.
And what makes it even dumber of the idiot that can't read anything before kneejerking a response, he liked a post of mine that had to do with my desire to amend the 2nd Amendment because another poster asked me what I would favor to resolve a gun violence issue in this country. And then today, he posts this crap acting like I am ignoring some murders and only comment on others that have to do with some ******** political commentary that he reads on rightwing blogs. The guy is a complete dumbass and Iknow better to even converse with him. My bad to not ignore his foolishness today. Usually, I do.
It certainly is...and this is why nothing gets done...so entrenched , unable to see another's point of view...there are very few horse trader's left in politics anymore...and the day to day real world follows imo...
You do indeed IGNORE some gun murders and it is proven by your posts. What part of "show us the proof" don't you understand? And talk about knee jerking. As soon as gun violence is mentioned your knee jerks cause you to type NRA.
I suggest you look at the comments and see who started with the name calling. As soon as someone comments with a different the view, we see the wingnut,KKK,dumbass,dumbest comment,reading comprehension insults and on and on. WHEN it STARTED its GAME ON. I am guilty as charged
So then what's dumb about my comment? What I witnessed? My take on those I met? I witnessed people of all types act like "law abiding citizens in terms of guns", who have a strong appreciation of the 2nd amendment. Sure there are extremists in any subject, but take the emotional vitrol out of it.
No, what is dumb was saying "there were no gun nuts there but rather doctors, lawyers...."
Your insinuation that one has to be a confederate flag flying in the pickup with no teeth and brandishing a shot-off shot gun or whatever your stereotype of a "gun nut" is foolish. Hell, I would even put a sitting senator as a gun nut being Ted Cruz and his ridiculous comments of the conspiracy that Obama was going to Texas to take everyone's guns. It is an attitude that makes one a "nut" and they come in all shape and sizes and just because one has a career as a doctor or a lawyer doesn't preclude them from having whacked out opinions. Hence the nut part.
I'm shocked I had to explain this.
That's a given, I shouldn't have had to preference my original comment to make it explicitly clear. It's was an observation about the people, and the attitudes, encountered at the event, dissuading the stereotype that gets perpetrated that the NRA is made up of nothing but Ted Nugent lunatics.
I'm shocked you took umbrage too it.
Ok. No issue with a different perspective being brought in to the discussion. With that said, it's hard to fully grasp this one not being born and bred Murica!
I don't know if it's the American exceptionalism or what, but I've never been able to explain to someone who isn't born and raised American the significance.
What is your logic behind getting rid of assault weapons? They are responsible for less than 1% of shootings.
The pistol is THE culprit.
My logic is simple and again one many on this board won't like and I stated it earlier but will do it again. I see no purpose for those type of weapons in the general public. None. They are offensive and not defensive in nature. There is no purpose for a regular Joe to own one and having them in the general public threatens the general public and reducing that 1% of shooting with them makes the public safer. That 1% you speak of is a family member of someone that have had their lives forever changed for no reason.
If the citizens of the country wants an Amendment where they may arm themselves for personal protection and hunting, then let's have a constitution that protects that right. Assault weapons shouldn't be a part of it and neither should the ability to own an arsenal of guns. In my perfect world, if you want to own an arsenal, that exceeds protecting yourself or the ability to hunt and you are something more than a "citizen" and should be regulated in terms of the guns you own. Then if you break the regulations because you own too many guns, there are consequences. Again, I want less guns and I think this is a way to get a reduction in time. But it isn't going to happen anytime soon so conversation on it needs to be kept in perspective.
There are plenty of purposes for regular Joe's, hunting included.
We could do a lot to reduce deaths, all kinds, across the board yet we don't.
I would agree with your sentiment on there are a lot we can do. This is where our opinions differ. I see the NRA and their power with the politicians as the roadblock and you find them to be the holy grail.