Football VIDEO: Every throw from Gavin Wimsatt versus Iowa
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Summary- looked great on passes 1-10, and then the bottom fell out.
1- Great throw-caught
2-Catchable Ball-Jackson landed badly- hope he is OK
3-Good throw into tight window, better catch by Strong
4-Good throw on money caught.
5-catchable ball in tight window-50/50 knocked away
6-Nice short pass to Langan, caught-
7-Nice pass out to Monangai caught
8-Another nice pass on money to Strong- good play by DB (5/8)
9- Nice pass to Strong caught 6/9
10-Nice to Strong, caught 7/10
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11-Dangerous pass into traffic incomplete 7/11
12-Not really sure why he tossed it out of bounds, Dremel was open (7/12)
13-Thrown into tight window, incomplete (7/13)
14-Badly thrown into traffic, lucky not intercepted (7/14)
15-Horrific INT (7/15)
16-OK throw, good play by defender, not caught (7/16)
17- Throw off the mark (7/17)
18- Awful throw, lucky it was not picked off (7/18)
1- Great throw-caught
2-Catchable Ball-Jackson landed badly- hope he is OK
3-Good throw into tight window, better catch by Strong
4-Good throw on money caught.
5-catchable ball in tight window-50/50 knocked away
6-Nice short pass to Langan, caught-
7-Nice pass out to Monangai caught
8-Another nice pass on money to Strong- good play by DB (5/8)
9- Nice pass to Strong caught 6/9
10-Nice to Strong, caught 7/10
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11-Dangerous pass into traffic incomplete 7/11
12-Not really sure why he tossed it out of bounds, Dremel was open (7/12)
13-Thrown into tight window, incomplete (7/13)
14-Badly thrown into traffic, lucky not intercepted (7/14)
15-Horrific INT (7/15)
16-OK throw, good play by defender, not caught (7/16)
17- Throw off the mark (7/17)
18- Awful throw, lucky it was not picked off (7/18)
Do you recall what the score was between 10 and 11? I *think* it was 3-0. Do you think he tried to force throws once we fell behind and it became clear the running game wasn't going to bring us back?
two obviously overthrown passes to open guys. The rest were either on target or he seemed to be throwing it away by overthrowing out of bounds or bouncing it on the turf in front of well covered receivers.
Agree he looked good in the first half. But he also had open guys to hit. Second half the receivers were blanketed.
Agree he looked good in the first half. But he also had open guys to hit. Second half the receivers were blanketed.
On the int he has pressure coming from his right. He does not set his feet and throws. Looks a little panicy
On 3rd and 3 Dremel makes looping cut giving time for the DBs to react. Had Dremel made a cleaner cut and the ball throw slightly earlier 1st down.
On 3rd and 3 Dremel makes looping cut giving time for the DBs to react. Had Dremel made a cleaner cut and the ball throw slightly earlier 1st down.
Someone said CD had to jump as high as he can to make those two catches. The tape tells a different story. Both balls were on the money.
Receivers more open in first half then second. Once Iowa realized they did not have to sell out on the run. Gavin had a few overthrows but nowhere near as bad a game as some are saying.
As for the overthrown passes, that's a little like "other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln."
On the other hand, PSU fans (this guy is not one) have a narrative about Allar:
No QB is prefect. I've been very critical of GW this season. Even taking some flack for it. Two bad balls, one under pressure, is pretty standard for even very good QBs. I thought we went away from the run too soon once we got behind, and put too much pressure on the passing game. Meanwhile in the second half the receivers were covered like a blanket. I don't blame GW for this loss.
I agree with you that no QB is perfect. Far from it. The easiest person to complain about on the field is the QB most of the time, except when another player fumbles or the punter muffs a punt. I don't blame Gavin either. He, the WRs and the coaches share the blame. I feel bad for the defense. They were out there 38 minutes.
WTF.. Perfect ? lMAO
I would take a QB that is capable of resembling a P5 QB. Maybe ranked #50 in QB Ratings vs. #105….
He missed open receivers in this game and many more last week vs. OSU.
I'm talking about the two bad throws he made this game, and that two bad throws in a game is normal for any QB. And GW is not why we lost this game. You are talking about his season. I agree with you there.
18 Throws
- 12 Ok to Great Accurate Throws
- 1 Throw Away
- 1 Dangerous Throw
- 4 Bad to Awful Inaccurate Throws
GO RU
I think some of those bounced on the turf were throw aways as the receivers were all covered.
He was sloppy into the 4th
Coach said he's accurate in practice but when he presses he gets sloppy
The INT pass (below) he makes off-balance and jumping into the air.
He held his breath and chucked ball into coverage - trying to make something happen for RU.
WR looks like he wasn't even sure where ball was.
Mayeb it was supposed to be outside
I only saw two receptions with yards gained after the catch
A lot of passed seemed to go to sideline where a defender was and WRs were not great at contested balls
LOL you guys also said our receivers did not get open.
11-Washington was open
12-Dremel was open
15-Strong was open
17-Bowman was open
Maybe - the focus in other thread was on GS seeking "meaningful repetitions" to polish the rough edges
The run game was dead and it was late and GW was trying to force things and his form went to heck.
He's on his tippy toes when he chucks the ball.
That decay is what GS wants to polish out
The good news was the OL.
Watch how nice they move left with the zone blocking - like a plow they just moved the DL out - no dropping back to handle a rush.
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Great break down
One individual summary
1 of 7 over 10yds
6 of 11 under 10 yds
Never looks to the other side of the field or off his first look. Has a top 2 running attack in all of CFB . (Quarterbacks best friend). Teams sit 10 under ten yds on D against us and the single high safety just drifts to Gavin’s eyes of his first look.
Last in football completion percentage
Bottom 3 in yds
What are we even talking about .
Completely wrong. Strong was well covered by the DB who made the INT and there was safety help deeper - the above angle doesn't show any of that, but the actual game broadcast replay shows it well. Doesn't mean the throw wasn't horrible, but both Washington and Strong were well covered. The bigger question is why does Gavin seem to only throw to the WR or throw it away and almost never scramble to buy time to throw to someone else or maybe run? He could've easily eluded the DL coming after him, and maybe been able to hit Young in the flat or run it at least back to the LOS and maybe a lot further. Throwing that pass into tight coverage was the worst decision to make there. Of course, having pass plays with only 2 WRs makes it tough to throw when they're covered.
What you say about the coverage has been corroborated by other posters. I am surprised there is anyone who disagrees.
My guess is that Wimsatt is being told not to scramble. Schiano may fear that Wimsatt will fumble or throw if he scrambles, and we all know how much Schiano hates turnovers. The irony here is that Wimsatt didn't scramble - and got intercepted anyway. I also think that Wimsatt was trying to force passes in the second half when it was clear that our running game wasn't working. Like many young players, he finds it hard to stay within himself.
He couldn’t scramble. If you watch the breakdown, there were 3 LBs playing short zone. They had the right D called.
You are completely wrong.
5:43 left in the game, right? 15-0, right?
The interceptor was with Strong and released him to teh safety.. who was not in a position to cover him.
Look.. the ball is at top of screengrab.. just been released.. with no coverage in reach of strong... who is only 25 yards away at this point. Throw it 40-45 yards and you have a TD.
(EDIT: damnit.. I cannot find the safety that had to have an eye on Strong.. he is not in this photo... but should be. The safety on teh other side (right of this photo) is seen in the video.. a non-factor.. not involved. The man covering Strong let him go.. released him to a safety.. who I cannot see. He backed off deep on snap and should be directly behind Strong from where he as headed.. I can't imagine where he went.. but Strong certainly looks open there).
Here's the thing... I had thought Wimsatt stared down teh crossing route.. he did not. After the fake to RB Young.. Wimsatt was looking straight ahead.. at Strong... who LOOKED well covered.. So, what I think happened is that Wimsatt just moved to the next target who would be arriving in front of him at any moment.
But what actually happened is teh coverage man floats away from Strong, releasing him to the safety who should be in the center of teh field.. even though we cannot see him... I do like those chances.
You can see the shoulder of teh DB covering Washington on the right border of the image above. I have to assume the deep safety is behind him somewhere.. perhaps off-screen-right. And maybe deep enough to use an angle to get to a deep throw to Strong. We do know that safety does not end up on the screen at the interception.
Strong ended up WIDE OPEN (with a safety somewhere probably baiting a long throw.. but I still think Strong vs a safety.. I'll take those chances).
But would Strong had been wide open if Gavin stared him down to see that the CB would release him?
My best guess is that if Wimsatt surveyed the field a bit more he could have assumed that Strong was in single coverage and that he should throw over the top. In fact. if Wimsatt looked right at all.. that would have encouraged that safety to go to Washington just as he did... making sure Strong would be in single.
Now.. who disagrees?
I think the play needed was bit more than GW is capable of at this time. Doesn't mean he did anything wrong.. other than throwing high with bad footwork. But the decision.. understandable. And yet, Strong was wide open.
Oh.. one last thing... maybe the whole plan was for Strong to run off that DB and safety and take them deep so Washington would have that crossing route to himself. Maybe he was the hot target all along and maybe Iowa has seen this in film and their DB was coached to release Strong to the safety deep and cover that sideline. I mean.. what was he doing where he was when the ball was thrown? Nowhere near Strong.. looking back at the QB... he clearly abandoned his man.
Above.. early in routes.. Strong at top, Washington at bottom.. Wimsatt had just faked handoff.. looks where Strong is headed... There a safety off screen about on the hashmark where Strong is headed to... so if you are Wimsatt.. this does not look good for Strong.
And below is what it looked like as the ball reached the WR... too high.. the deep guy wide in line with the painted numbers had been following Strong.. but look how wide he is... he has to have released Strong... to a safety we cannot see anywhere. The player on bottom-right.. that's the safety from the offensive right side... not involved in the paly.
At the end of the play, Strong is off-screen and so is the Iowa safety.. why he was not in the Gavin's view photo.. I do not know. If Gaving threw it long I can only assume that safety would have positioned himself where he might make a play... still.. that's one on one.. Strong on a safety because his DB released him.
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Agreed.. the safety on the other side was maybe spying also... he seemed like he had nothing to do with the play otherwise.
Watch the friggin' game replay - you have no wide screen shots of the play being diagrammed by the analyst. Come back to me when you've watched that. The rest of your post is a bunch of conjecture - incorrect conjecture.You are completely wrong.
5:43 left in the game, right? 15-0, right?
The interceptor was with Strong and released him to teh safety.. who was not in a position to cover him.
Look.. the ball is at top of screengrab.. just been released.. with no coverage in reach of strong... who is only 25 yards away at this point. Throw it 40-45 yards and you have a TD.
(EDIT: damnit.. I cannot find the safety that had to have an eye on Strong.. he is not in this photo... but should be. The safety on teh other side (right of this photo) is seen in the video.. a non-factor.. not involved. The man covering Strong let him go.. released him to a safety.. who I cannot see. He backed off deep on snap and should be directly behind Strong from where he as headed.. I can't imagine where he went.. but Strong certainly looks open there).
Here's the thing... I had thought Wimsatt stared down teh crossing route.. he did not. After the fake to RB Young.. Wimsatt was looking straight ahead.. at Strong... who LOOKED well covered.. So, what I think happened is that Wimsatt just moved to the next target who would be arriving in front of him at any moment.
But what actually happened is teh coverage man floats away from Strong, releasing him to the safety who should be in the center of teh field.. even though we cannot see him... I do like those chances.
You can see the shoulder of teh DB covering Washington on the right border of the image above. I have to assume the deep safety is behind him somewhere.. perhaps off-screen-right. And maybe deep enough to use an angle to get to a deep throw to Strong. We do know that safety does not end up on the screen at the interception.
Strong ended up WIDE OPEN (with a safety somewhere probably baiting a long throw.. but I still think Strong vs a safety.. I'll take those chances).
But would Strong had been wide open if Gavin stared him down to see that the CB would release him?
My best guess is that if Wimsatt surveyed the field a bit more he could have assumed that Strong was in single coverage and that he should throw over the top. In fact. if Wimsatt looked right at all.. that would have encouraged that safety to go to Washington just as he did... making sure Strong would be in single.
Now.. who disagrees?
I think the play needed was bit more than GW is capable of at this time. Doesn't mean he did anything wrong.. other than throwing high with bad footwork. But the decision.. understandable. And yet, Strong was wide open.
Oh.. one last thing... maybe the whole plan was for Strong to run off that DB and safety and take them deep so Washington would have that crossing route to himself. Maybe he was the hot target all along and maybe Iowa has seen this in film and their DB was coached to release Strong to the safety deep and cover that sideline. I mean.. what was he doing where he was when the ball was thrown? Nowhere near Strong.. looking back at the QB... he clearly abandoned his man.
Above.. early in routes.. Strong at top, Washington at bottom.. Wimsatt had just faked handoff.. looks where Strong is headed... There a safety off screen about on the hashmark where Strong is headed to... so if you are Wimsatt.. this does not look good for Strong.
And below is what it looked like as the ball reached the WR... too high.. the deep guy wide in line with the painted numbers had been following Strong.. but look how wide he is... he has to have released Strong... to a safety we cannot see anywhere. The player on bottom-right.. that's the safety from the offensive right side... not involved in the paly.
At the end of the play, Strong is off-screen and so is the Iowa safety.. why he was not in the Gavin's view photo.. I do not know. If Gaving threw it long I can only assume that safety would have positioned himself where he might make a play... still.. that's one on one.. Strong on a safety because his DB released him.
Ok ..so the current 2023 QB Ratings of all FBS QB’s are irrelevant. #105 of 108.
Get real if you think we don’t have a disaster with this QB and our passing game.
Our QB play is historically bad again and we have played a far easier schedule yoy with two tough games to go. Is it the Hc, OC, QB, or …..
You can place the blame where you feel it needs to be but at the end of the day something or someone needs to change .
I honestly have no idea how what you are saying relates to anything I said. Maybe you have me confused with someone else?
His first 2 completions were both over 10 yards. The run game is what it is because of Gavin and Kyle. You can’t take that away from him no matter how much you don’t like him.
To our other posters, The INT came with less than 5 minutes left down 2 scores. He had to throw that pass and while Strong was not open when he made the throw I would like to see him set his feet and throw that deep. The pocket was collapsing and he threw of his back foot and really just threw it up for grabs.
In his defense we should have taken more risks inside the 50 especially when the false starts killed our chance to run. The game plan was to play error free making it a one score game going into the 4th. If not for the penalties we’re likely tied or winning and the game could go either way. I don’t love our conservative style but we are 6-4 with chances in every game because of that game plan. That puts the QB in a rough spot because every fan base has a large number of fans that can’t see the game. Like 90% of all fan bases to be honest. This board is no exception.