Football VIDEO: Every throw from Gavin Wimsatt versus Temple
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Interesting. Definitely a mixed bag of good/great throws and some flat out misses to open guys. A next level QB probably completes 5-6 more passes just from those plays we saw.
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Maybe 2-3 more. Overall not a bad outing but room to grow.
Lots of room for improvement but he threw some very nice balls. He's taken a couple steps forward since last year.
Wimsatt did a good job. During the game I thought I saw one or two that Temple should have int, but it didn't look like that after all. And he did get excellent protection for the most part. Great video edit job.
I’ll watch it later but I don’t recall anything close to being picked. He improved in that regard week over week. I’d sign on the dotted line right now for a Temple like performance from Gavin but not what he delivered vs. NW even if he completion percentage was better. VTech has a strong secondary and would have picked off at least 2 passes in the NW game. One of which Could have gone for a pick six. That’s my biggest concern honestly - the only way I see us losing. This is not a cocky bandwagon take that we’ve turned some major corner rather it’s based on what VTech has done so far. Their offense is bad. As weak, or possibly worse, than our previous 2 opponents. Their defense is materially better though.
Hope in those 14-15 bad passes (exaggeration!) people are holding him accountable for do not include the bomb at the end of the first half or the second deep ball thrown to Jackson out of bounds. Listening to Teel on the radio broadcast, Teel said that was the correct throw to avoid a possible pick as the DB had Jackson well-covered.
Yes it was. He didn’t throw any dangerous passes vs. Temple. I think the “bad” passes being referred to are opportunities where a wide out was open and he didn’t find them or overthrew. As long as out run game is productive, we can afford for that to happen even if his completion percentage hovers around 50.
What cannot happen are bad throws where he gives VTech the opportunity to score points from their D or give their offense a short field with turnovers. VTech is top 20 in the country in sacks and good at getting to the QB so this game is going to be a test for GW in that regard. On the flip side, the scouting report on VTech’s OL is that they’ve stunk with run blocking (and really weak line backer tackling) but pass protection has been solid. That’s their potential angle for the upset. Force GW to make mistakes to help them put points on the board. Have modest success in the air to do just enough to get a few scores.
I counted 6 inaccurate throws to open receivers. Agree not a bad outing overall and a big improvement over last couple years.
Agree that nothing was close to being picked, but in part that was luck. There were a few that sailed high and/or and popped up off the receiver's hands trying to extend for it. Some percent of balls like that will get picked.
That's why I didn't count them. I definitely didn't count the one when he was getting sacked. Can't ding him for accuracy there, but can ding him for decision making.
Half of the ones that popped up could have been catchable, I think I agree. Although it's really hard to tell when a ball is thrown high and bounces through the outstretched hands/finger tips of the receiver how much of that is on the receiver vs the QB. But they were definitely high throws. 1-2 feet lower and they were easy completions and likely more points and extended drives. And if that keeps up eventually it will likely result in picks.
Again, I'm generally pleased. This is way better than what we have seen. Just calling it like I see it though. Plenty of room for improvement.
Eh it seems a little unfair to put it that way. He kept the ball away from where defenders had any chance of pulling it down in this particular game. Interceptions off of tipped balls will happen occasionally but expecting Gavin to throw the ball in a way that those tips never happen is unrealistic.
Even the ball to Dremel in the first quarter Where it tipped off his hands, it was placed where only Dremel could have caught it. He saw the safety creeping in.
In most instances Gavin ‘s throws over the middle is where I see him needing to improve. As Kirk has probably told him all year. Not every throw needs to be a rocket at your receiver. I see him doing a better job keeping the ball down in a place only the receiver has an opportunity. Gavin doesn’t turn 20 until the end of October so each game becomes another chance for him to get better and grow. This season the staff is also showing why good instruction usually produces a positive end result. We have a very good staff. So for those anti Rutgers folks… bite me.
And to Bob's point about Gavin only being 20, I think it's sometimes forgotten that Teel redshirted, came in during his sophomore year and sat again for Hart. The first half of 2006, he was more of a game manager (what else was needed with that D, Brian and Ray?) who would scare us on occasion with some of his throws. It really clicked for him the second half of that year. Point being that it's still early for Gavin.
I disagree because the cause of the tip was an inaccurate ball thrown to an open receiver. Top QBs don't do that much. And once the inaccurate throw is tipped, it's just random chance where, and in whose hands, it will land. I think he's doing better and OK, but like I said, next level QBs will complete most of these passes to open receivers.
Makes some nice throws along with too many poor ones. They will come back to haunt us sometime this year.
I’m not saying your not right that a better throw can reduce the risk of tips, but I still think your being too fussy with this. Not every throw is going to be perfect. I’m much more concerned with smart decision making. I don’t care about collecting gaudy yardage on 50/50 balls. I only want to see throws that have no chance of being caught by a defender unless the opportunity is created by the ball bouncing off a receiver - not the QB decision itself if that makes sense?
It is crazy that some can only see the glass being half empty instead of glass half full. Gavin is a 19 year old redshirt sophomore who has only received proper QB coaching since this Spring. For some odd reason there is this weird expectation that he should not only complete every pass but also perfectly place each completed pass plus always make the correct decision.
Get a grip people, We are watching a star QB in the making!. Will there be some growing pains and disappointing moments? Of course their will be, but overall we will see Gavin grow week to week this season, Just imagine how good he can and will be by the 2nd half of this season, next season, and his senior year. That's if the NFL doesn't snatch him up before his senior season. He has a great opportunity to be just that good.
i think my original statement was pretty balanced. The Rivals guys film breakdown reached basically the same conclusion.
Your original statement is very balanced, yes. But then you said it was luck that a few of Wimsatt’s passes weren’t picked off in the Temple game. Most people view luck at avoiding a pick to mean a defender was in position to actually have a legit chance to secure the ball but didn’t. Several situations like that in the NW game - 2 of those would’ve probably been picks against a better team (better than 50% odds honestly in my opinion).
When you throw the ball to a place where only your receiver can get it like Wimsatt did vs temple, the probability of a pick generally isn’t close to as high as when you throw a bad pass right at a defender. I just don’t think it’s right to classify these two things under the same “luck” umbrella. That’s all. His decisions were much better vs Temple even though some of the other stats were not.
Here is a link queued to the spot where Mike and Richie's summarize Gavin's performance after reviewing the tape:
To summarize: Had a good overall game, has made significant improvement, kept ball out of harm's way, missed a notable number of open receivers, has lots of room for improvement.
To summarize: Had a good overall game, has made significant improvement, kept ball out of harm's way, missed a notable number of open receivers, has lots of room for improvement.
He's a redshirt sophomore. He joined the program in mid-September of his redshirt Freshman year as a 17 year old kid who should have been playing high school ball. He had no Spring practice, no Summer camp, and as is the norm, almost no in season practice time. He played in 4 games in a very limited capacity and only attempted 21 passes. Not to mention that it is clear that he and the other QB's in the room received substandard coaching the pass 2 seasons under Gleason/Nuno.
Only someone not being objective or fair would consider him to be in his 3rd year as if he entered the program as per the normal timeline. and had a normal redshirt Freshman year.
As for time to step up and showing the ability to take over the game and win it, he has not been asked to do that as of yet. I'm sure he will at some point this season and I look forward to objectively evaluating his performance when that time comes.
I hope the Rutgers run game is so dominating he never has to take the game on his shoulders. Back to my point, from an eligibility standpoint, he’s got 2 more years including this. While he is young, age-wise, he’s running out of time to be an impact player on the Banks. Then again, guys like Nova and Hart didn’t really shine until their senior years.
He's the same age as a redshirt freshman. How many redshirt freshman are lighting up FBS? 1?
He's playing at age 19 because we don't have anyone older/better and he's done a really good job so far this year. Makes mistakes but nothing that has been costly. He's also made throws that I don't think we've had a QB able to make for a really long time. We haven't fully unleashed his dual threat capabilities either. He also has the 4th highest QBR in the Big Ten so far this year.
He is playing at age 19 because he was recruited to help elevate the program. He didn't back into this job and if anyone says game management was their highest hope for him in year three, they aren't being very honest. Yes, some things worked against him but that is history. He won the starting job this year, is injury free, has great coaches and decent talent around him and should be judged like a big ten starter and the highest rated qb recruit in program history.
First, context and circumstances matter in any situation. I wont go into that but despite the circumstances, he has done what his "great coaches" have asked him to do up to this point. That has resulted in 2 wins and almost 100% positive evaluations from people paid to do just that. Call it game manager if you like but he has executing the offense and performed well enough to leave any objective person optimistic of things to come.
Personally, there are only 3 or 4 current B1G QB's I would consider taking instead of Gavin. Coincidently, he has the 4th highest QBR in the B1G to date. That's how I chose to measure him against other B1G starters. Not by measuring him against my "highest hope" based on him being the highest rated QB in program history.
The fact of the matter is, he plays for Schiano and Ciarrocca not Mike Leach or Lincoln Riley in some high octane, spread offense. Despite that, I am very confident that whenever he is unleashed he will perform in a way that makes most objective RU fans very pleased.
He has very decent position coaches. I wasn't talking about Schiano. I meant his blockers are well coached. His receivers are well coached. He is well coached.
The season will show us one way or the other. As for objective people, I spit out my soda laughing here. Thanks for that. Yes, you are right. People paid to evaluate never sell a narrative. They never say anything that isn't 100% universal truth. My mistake.
The season will show us one way or the other. As for objective people, I spit out my soda laughing here. Thanks for that. Yes, you are right. People paid to evaluate never sell a narrative. They never say anything that isn't 100% universal truth. My mistake.
Ok so you are now saying the very same people that are paid by media outlets to evaluate football teams/players and have been universally and rightfully hypercritical of the poor Rutgers QB play...as recently as last season with Simon, and Wimsatt, and previously Vedral, Sitkowski, Gio Rescigno, Laviano, etc...are suddenly being paid by some mysterious source to say positive things about
the same Wimsatt they routinely critized just last season for his poor play
I'm glad you had a good laugh but this type of nonsense is too ridiculous to even take as a joke. Wimsatt significantly improves his play to the point his is receiving positive reviews from the vast majority of paid pundits, and your reply is to imply the pundits are selling positive narratives. I might expect that type of perspective if we were talking politics but to see it in sports....definitely a WTF moment!
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