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Just read that Frost and his staff want to build up the walk on program and reemphasize its importance. I remember the sarcasm on here from a few posters directed at Rimington when he suggested the same. It was said that we already have a good walk on program. It was said we need more quality recruits and not more walk ons. It was said that tuition costs are now too high to expect a significant increase in quality walk ons. It was said that we need to stop living in the past.

I am not calling anyone out or flaming those on here who made those comments. Quite to the contrary. I tended to agree with those views. But in light of what Frost is now saying about reenergizing the walk on program, I wonder what we are to make of it? Is their more potential for that to happen than we realized? Is Frost wrong about this?

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Something to think about as we discuss the efforts to re-establish the walk on program and why.......

It seems that regular scholarship players were not being coached effectively or with the rigor/intensity that we as fans expect by the last staff. (EXAMPLE: Cav admitting that he only gets 5 ready to play on the OL) This can only lead me to believe that the walk-ons were basically being ignored if even some of the kids with schollies weren't getting much attention. Can someone persuade me that I am wrong?
 
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Something to think about as we discuss the efforts to re-establish the walk on program and why.......

It seems that regular scholarship players were not being coached effectively or with the rigor/intensity that we as fans expect by the last staff. (EXAMPLE: Cav admitting that he only gets 5 ready to play on the OL) This can only lead me to believe that the walk-ons were basically being ignored if even some of the kids with schollies weren't getting much attention. Can someone persuade me that I am wrong?
I have no idea. The answer would have to be given by someone who watched us practice
 

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I think the reason for concern in regards to the walk-on program being emphasized by Frost, is that most of us fans forget what a solid walk-on program actually looks like when it’s combined with effective recruiting.

Nobody should think Frost wants to fill his 1 and 2s with walk-ons. The majority of the starters will be sholarship athletes who came highly recruited.

A solid walkon program does a couple of things for the team:

1) It includes kids that may not have rated well out of high school, to get into the program and work their *** off to earn a scholarship. This could include kids with scholarships at smaller schools, who really want to get their shot at a bigger program, especially Nebraska. Kind of a stretch, but who knows. From my college experience a player can improve dramatically in the right S&C and you see examples all over FBS where players way outperform their recruiting status once on campus. It’s a fact that not all kids are developed equally across US high schools and some bloom later than others.

2) Provides a culture where everbody truly EARNS their spot to play on Saturday’s, and walk-ons are foaming at the mouth to beat out the others with scholarships, greatly improving the work ethic of the entire team year round. If coaches have to encourage a 3/4* to transfer bc after a couple of years hes not producing, so be it. We all know many of these don’t work out. If we have to burn a few scholarships on players that aren’t going to ever see the field and won’t transfer, well, maybe this the “sacrifice” which Frost was referring.

The key here is the culture is highly competitive and if you earn your spot you get a shot no matter who you are. I don’t feel like this is a culture we’ve had AT ALL with Riley and Callahan, and think while we had it with Pelini, it didn’t matter bc he was a horrible recruiter and manager of the roster. I feel this is what Frost is talking about when he says we are going to be the hardest working team in the country and this will be built into the culture.

Given most walkons won’t get a shot until 3-4 years in, this seems like it’s also a program which will take cycles and consistency, which our program has also been lacking.
 

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Something to think about as we discuss the efforts to re-establish the walk on program and why.......

It seems that regular scholarship players were not being coached effectively or with the rigor/intensity that we as fans expect by the last staff. (EXAMPLE: Cav admitting that he only gets 5 ready to play on the OL) This can only lead me to believe that the walk-ons were basically being ignored if even some of the kids with schollies weren't getting much attention. Can someone persuade me that I am wrong?

The way Callahan spoke on the Husker podcast, you’re right. There was supposedly a lot of standing around and watching. Where Frost apparently has everybody going nonstop. To the point where they don’t usually run conditioning during practice because practice is so rigorous.

If this is the case, then it makes some sense.
 

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Just read that Frost and his staff want to build up the walk on program and reemphasize its importance. I remember the sarcasm on here from a few posters directed at Rimington when he suggested the same. It was said that we already have a good walk on program. It was said we need more quality recruits and not more walk ons. It was said that tuition costs are now too high to expect a significant increase in quality walk ons. It was said that we need to stop living in the past.

I am not calling anyone out or flaming those on here who made those comments. Quite to the contrary. I tended to agree with those views. But in light of what Frost is now saying about reenergizing the walk on program, I wonder what we are to make of it? Is their more potential for that to happen than we realized? Is Frost wrong about this?

Discuss
Talent development. Wisconsin has walk-ons getting drafted in the 1st round and we have walk-ons standing on the sideline holding their helmet all day, every day. There are some walk-ons that come into a program that have more potential than scholarship guys. It's all about recognizing talent and having a system that involves more players in practice including A LOT more individual work.
 

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Just read that Frost and his staff want to build up the walk on program and reemphasize its importance. I remember the sarcasm on here from a few posters directed at Rimington when he suggested the same. It was said that we already have a good walk on program. It was said we need more quality recruits and not more walk ons. It was said that tuition costs are now too high to expect a significant increase in quality walk ons. It was said that we need to stop living in the past.

I am not calling anyone out or flaming those on here who made those comments. Quite to the contrary. I tended to agree with those views. But in light of what Frost is now saying about reenergizing the walk on program, I wonder what we are to make of it? Is their more potential for that to happen than we realized? Is Frost wrong about this?

Discuss

We haven’t heard from this certain poster since the hire, that’s why they’re callled the butthurt coalition. Walk-on program is all about finding the diamond in the rough...
 

davecisar

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Scott Frost talked about how in state walk ons have that fire and drive and pride of wearing the uniform that pushes the scholarship kids to practice, work and play better. Ive heard former out of state scholarship players say they felt like the in state kids owned the program- and the scholarship guys were just privileged to be part of it- but had to earn the right to get on the field and be part of the special almost sacred right to be on the field.

Walks ons provide depth, push the scholarship kids, allow you to go live with both the 1s and 2s- 4 team stations and a few end up contributing on the field. It's a culture thing and since Solich, those real numbers are down. Frost wants to be in the 165 range.
 

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Maybe Frost is planting the seed into the heads of high school coaches and players to make then want to walk-on instead of go elsewhere for a scholarahip...

Who knows, but I was one that threw sarcasm towards Rimington's comments.

I still have that view as of now too.
 

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A couple of things T.O. has mentioned over the years in interviews about the walk-on program (and I'm paraphrasing):

- NU had a harder time recruiting and the local players here needed longer to develop, so T.O. and his coaches would invest in developing them. You had kids coming from 6 and 8 man football teams that might have 1 or 2 coaches and little development. So they brought them on to develop them by the 3rd/4th year.

- Outsiders couldn't always tell the difference between scholarship players and walk-ons because they were all treated the same. They all had to compete and they all earned their positions. The coaches and players weren't worried about who had the scholarship or not.
 
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Scott Frost talked about how in state walk ons have that fire and drive and pride of wearing the uniform that pushes the scholarship kids to practice, work and play better. Ive heard former out of state scholarship players say they felt like the in state kids owned the program- and the scholarship guys were just privileged to be part of it- but had to earn the right to get on the field and be part of the special almost sacred right to be on the field.

Walks ons provide depth, push the scholarship kids, allow you to go live with both the 1s and 2s- 4 team stations and a few end up contributing on the field. It's a culture thing and since Solich, those real numbers are down. Frost wants to be in the 165 range.
Lol. 165. Ok, that makes so much sense.
 

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He will offer a lot of kids the opportunity to walk on. Most of the talented ones will be grateful but take scholarship offers elsewhere.

It is a difficult sell convincing kids and their parents when your sales pitch is essentially “if you will pay $100k over the next 4-5 years we will give you the slim chance of maybe playing a meanful snap during your time”
 

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It's a culture thing and since Solich, those real numbers are down. Frost wants to be in the 165 range.

165 is pretty high. Damn. That's crazy.

I hate the price of college nowadays and I am actually more in favor of tradeschool than 4 year schools (I graduated from Hastings College).

I disagree with having to take core classes that have nothing to do with what you want to do in life. Who needs advanced history courses?

So with the cost of tuition skyrocketing (my freshman year at Hastings was $16,500 in the fall of 2000, now it is in the mid-$30's!), walking on costs a lot of money. I recall UNL or UNKs tuition being around $7,000 when I went to college, so I assume it is in the mid-teens now.

Giving up a full-ride scholarship means giving up over $60,000... which is crazy. If you were planning on going to UNL anyways, you might as well walk on.
 

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Not sure what it is now, friends of our had a kid going to UNL a few years ago and it was something between $18k-$21k total out of pocket living on campus (tuition + room/board, etc).
 
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From today's OWH:

Ryan Bena considers himself a Nebraska fan, and the Omaha Creighton Prep junior offensive lineman would love to play college football someday.

But if it came down to a scholarship from a smaller program — South Dakota and South Dakota State are showing interest in the All-Nebraska first-teamer — or walking on with his childhood team, he already knows his answer. Take the money.

“It would help pay for your school,” Bena said. “And in the long run, it would be better for myself.”


High school coaches have seen this opinion become more popular as Nebraska’s national power status has eroded. Omaha North coach Larry Martin recalls Husker walk-on classes numbering in the 40s and 50s in the 1990s before struggling to crack 20 in recent years. Bellevue West coach Michael Huffman sees logos of other Power Five schools all over the hallways at his school.

“We have a bunch of Alabama fans running around this building,” Huffman said. “Well, why? Because they’re hot. They win. So you gotta get Nebraska back into that.”

With the hiring of Scott Frost last weekend, there is rekindled hope for a walk-on resurgence among many in-state prep players and coaches. It might not happen right away, but playing for a former local star quarterback is appealing. So is being part of an offense that led the nation in scoring this season at Central Florida and contributing to a defense that promotes aggressive playmaking.

Most of all, they say, winning games would make the sacrifice worth it.

“I’m looking forward to trying to build the walk-on program and make it what it was before,” Frost said during his introductory press conference. “When you have a bunch of kids from the state of Nebraska that are in this program, those are the type of players that would bleed for this place and are going to work hard to make this work. Guys that are really pulling for Nebraska.

“When I was growing up, every kid in the state of Nebraska dreamed about running out here on this stadium, on this field, wearing a red ‘N’ on their helmet.”

Those players still exist. Eight Nebraskans walked on in the Class of 2017. In August, four former walk-ons earned scholarships in tight end Tyler Hoppes (Lincoln Southwest), fullback Luke McNitt (Kearney), offensive lineman Cole Conrad (Fremont Bergan) and tight end Connor Ketter (Norfolk Catholic). Other similar success stories recently include offensive lineman Dylan Utter (Papillion-La Vista), defensive end Ross Dzuris (Plattsmouth), punter Sam Foltz (Grand Island), receiver Brandon Reilly (Lincoln Southwest) and fullback Andy Janovich (Gretna).

Frost’s hire also prompted redshirt freshman linebacker Ben Stille — an Ashland-Greenwood grad — to tweet an exhortation to fellow Nebraska high school players that “we need all of you guys to help turn this program around.” It has been retweeted more than 1,500 times and liked more than 10,000.

But the walk-on draw isn’t as strong as it used to be, Bellevue West senior lineman AJ Forbes said. He has offers to schools like Air Force and Northwest Missouri State as well as a preferred walk-on opportunity from Iowa. Nebraska? “It could be an option,” he said, “but I’m keeping my options open.”

Huffman, the Bellevue West coach, is a Husker fan. He pays for a subscription to an online message board and says he hasn’t missed a game in his life. But if the coach’s young son grows up to have the choice, he’ll advise him to take the scholarship to another school.

The bottom line is the bottom line, he said. College is far more expensive now than 20 years ago. The financial debt isn’t worth it.

“My son’s not walking on anywhere because I don’t want him to be broke his whole life,” Huffman said. “It’s a lot harder than people really think it is. My wife is 37 years old and still paying student loans.”

Huffman sees the same choices made within his program. The South Dakota programs and Northwest Missouri State have been good to his Bellevue West players, offering the chance for a paid education.

But for Nebraska to have a chance at some of these same guys, he said, it needs to make itself relevant again. Bellevue West sophomore running back Jevyon Ducker, for example, has an SDSU offer and is from a family of Iowa fans. But he often wears Oregon gear because he loves the offense.

That could be Husker apparel if Frost’s vision comes to fruition.

“It really brings a new excitement back into Nebraska,” Bena said. “There’s lots of hope coming back.”
 

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Its pretty simple to me. The more we win and the more we compete for championships the better the walk-on program will become. Everyone knows Nebraska is unique to where UNL is the only D1 football program in the state in which football is king. If we win, kids will want to be part of that again.

I will say this. If my kid was good enough to play D2 football or walk on at Nebraska the decision would be his alone but he would know the cost of both. That is just a major factor today due to the price of higher education. College is second to only healthcare and health insurance when it comes to price inflation.
 
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dinglefritz

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Maybe Frost is planting the seed into the heads of high school coaches and players to make then want to walk-on instead of go elsewhere for a scholarahip...

Who knows, but I was one that threw sarcasm towards Rimington's comments.

I still have that view as of now too.
One has to be a little skeptical of devoting too much time to trying to develop guys where you might get a few contributors out of the 55 walkons Frost is talking about carrying. On the other hand IF you can have your grad assistants running much of the reps for the walkons, it's GREAT experience for the grad assistants and you are going to find some guys who turn in to big time players. It's a matter of time management and wise use of your coaching resources.
 

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What is the legality of fans offsetting costs, financially backing a student with no scholarships academic or athletic?

I know its illegal to straight up pay a college kid to play ball, but is there a conflict of interest to help your neighbors kid with his student loan debt? Anybody know the tax implications?
 

dinglefritz

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Walk-on program is lovely as long as you have guys who can coach it. Sounds like in several cases the coaches knew you better say the right things about walk-ons at NU but then when they actually had 115+ guys on their teams they didn't know WTF to do with most of them.
What I want to see, maybe what we HAVE to see, is bringing in those kids with good frame and feet who are high school TEs and making OTs out of them. We HAVE to start building some OTs because there just aren't enough of them coming out of high schools. IF a kid wants to play and wants to maybe get a big paycheck on Sundays, he needs to at least think about making himself an OT. It's a perfect model for a walk on to succeed.
 

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All the walk ons in the world do not help if they are not used correctly. They have to be used in practice and in scrimmages. Their love for the Huskers can only be relayed by the effort they put forward in scrimmages etc. Their hard work has to show up on the field for it to be respected. If scrimmages and hard work does not happen walk ons due not help the program as we Husker Fans have come to expect. That is what has happened since the days of Solich. And part of that is the elimination of the JV/Frosh team. That part of the program used to play 4 games a year. Giving the hard working 3rd and 4th and 5th teamers something to work harder for. They showed their pride and effort on the field of play and in practice. That is no longer the case. If Frost wants to walk on program to contribute again scrimmaging etc has to return. I do not know how Frost did or will run his practices but as stated if it continues as it has the walk on program is a waste!
 
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Just read that Frost and his staff want to build up the walk on program and reemphasize its importance. I remember the sarcasm on here from a few posters directed at Rimington when he suggested the same. It was said that we already have a good walk on program. It was said we need more quality recruits and not more walk ons. It was said that tuition costs are now too high to expect a significant increase in quality walk ons. It was said that we need to stop living in the past.

I am not calling anyone out or flaming those on here who made those comments. Quite to the contrary. I tended to agree with those views. But in light of what Frost is now saying about reenergizing the walk on program, I wonder what we are to make of it? Is their more potential for that to happen than we realized? Is Frost wrong about this?

Discuss

I am one of the people that was saying Rimington was off his rocker talking about the walk-on program as I couldn't understand what more you could get from it as we were developing quite a few walk-ons into significant contributors.

I get it now though. They are talking about a walk-on program that is designed for more than just finding a few diamonds in the rough. They are talking about guys that are just a little bit more than a blocking dummy. This allows for you to have more stations and your fourth and fifth stringers (who could be scholarship players) are getting as many live reps as the first and second stringers. I believe the phrase was there are too many people sitting on a knee.
 

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I think the reason for concern in regards to the walk-on program being emphasized by Frost, is that most of us fans forget what a solid walk-on program actually looks like when it’s combined with effective recruiting.

Nobody should think Frost wants to fill his 1 and 2s with walk-ons. The majority of the starters will be sholarship athletes who came highly recruited.

A solid walkon program does a couple of things for the team:

1) It includes kids that may not have rated well out of high school, to get into the program and work their *** off to earn a scholarship. This could include kids with scholarships at smaller schools, who really want to get their shot at a bigger program, especially Nebraska. Kind of a stretch, but who knows. From my college experience a player can improve dramatically in the right S&C and you see examples all over FBS where players way outperform their recruiting status once on campus. It’s a fact that not all kids are developed equally across US high schools and some bloom later than others.

2) Provides a culture where everbody truly EARNS their spot to play on Saturday’s, and walk-ons are foaming at the mouth to beat out the others with scholarships, greatly improving the work ethic of the entire team year round. If coaches have to encourage a 3/4* to transfer bc after a couple of years hes not producing, so be it. We all know many of these don’t work out. If we have to burn a few scholarships on players that aren’t going to ever see the field and won’t transfer, well, maybe this the “sacrifice” which Frost was referring.

The key here is the culture is highly competitive and if you earn your spot you get a shot no matter who you are. I don’t feel like this is a culture we’ve had AT ALL with Riley and Callahan, and think while we had it with Pelini, it didn’t matter bc he was a horrible recruiter and manager of the roster. I feel this is what Frost is talking about when he says we are going to be the hardest working team in the country and this will be built into the culture.

Given most walkons won’t get a shot until 3-4 years in, this seems like it’s also a program which will take cycles and consistency, which our program has also been lacking.
"it didn’t matter bc he was a horrible recruiter".
Who said, if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth?

So, if you believe that BO was a horrible recruiter, then you MUST also believe that Riley was a horrible recruiter, right?

If you believe BO was a horrible recruiter then what are you basing that on because your certainly not using the Rivals recruiting ranking numbers.

If you don't like BO, fine. Your entitled to your own opinion, not to your own facts. And besides, Bo never won less than 9 with his horrible recruiting.

So, if you really believe BO was a horrible recruiter and yet never won less than 9, while Riley was such a great recruiter and just completed a 4 win season, you must then admit that BO was a better coach as he did more with less.
 
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Walk-on program is lovely as long as you have guys who can coach it. Sounds like in several cases the coaches knew you better say the right things about walk-ons at NU but then when they actually had 115+ guys on their teams they didn't know WTF to do with most of them.
You mean they can't just have unlimited practice and reps for Joe Blow from Centennial?
 

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So how did Osborne pull it off then? Did they have more coaches back then? I don't think so.

Sometime between 1990 and 1980 the number of Assistants was dropped by 2. In addition as of 2012 each team can have up to 4 GA's as well.

Number of Coaches:
2018: 10 Assistants + HC
2017: 9 Assistants + HC
2000: 9 Assistants + HC
1990: 9 Assistants + HC
1980: 11 Assistants + HC
1970: 9 Assistants + HC
 

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Sometime between 1990 and 1980 the number of Assistants was dropped by 2. In addition as of 2012 each team can have up to 4 GA's as well.

Number of Coaches:
2018: 10 Assistants + HC
2017: 9 Assistants + HC
2000: 9 Assistants + HC
1990: 9 Assistants + HC
1980: 11 Assistants + HC
1970: 9 Assistants + HC
After the 1983 season, pretty sure, NCAA made us get rid of our freshman team where anybody that wanted to go out could for one year
 
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Sometime between 1990 and 1980 the number of Assistants was dropped by 2. In addition as of 2012 each team can have up to 4 GA's as well.

Number of Coaches:
2018: 10 Assistants + HC
2017: 9 Assistants + HC
2000: 9 Assistants + HC
1990: 9 Assistants + HC
1980: 11 Assistants + HC
1970: 9 Assistants + HC
Thanks for this. What this shows is that Osborne was able to have tons of guys practicing in meaningful ways with fewer coaches than are currently allowed. So, those who want to criticize the idea that we can develop this model again are wrong.
 

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Sometime between 1990 and 1980 the number of Assistants was dropped by 2. In addition as of 2012 each team can have up to 4 GA's as well.

Number of Coaches:
2018: 10 Assistants + HC
2017: 9 Assistants + HC
2000: 9 Assistants + HC
1990: 9 Assistants + HC
1980: 11 Assistants + HC
1970: 9 Assistants + HC

davecisarNewbie
NU now has Quality Control Coaches as well. They are limited in what they can do but can scout, do film work, help recruit, advise coaches and handle a lot of the busy work of the now 10 staff coaches. NU also has a very deep support staff to assist with recruiting and admin functions former coaches had to do on their own.

Technology has also significantly improved the productivity of coaches today vs years past. Simple things like internet email, cell phones and Hudl come to mind. Not to mention automated CRM like recruiting systems.

Im guessing HCSF will figure out a way to make this work.
 

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What is the legality of fans offsetting costs, financially backing a student with no scholarships academic or athletic?

The athletic department has a guideline to answer all of those questions for you:
http://www.huskers.com/pdf9/5012209.pdf

The short answer is: do not communicate with recruits at all, do not give anything of value to student-athletes.
 

HUSKERFAN66

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The athletic department has a guideline to answer all of those questions for you:
http://www.huskers.com/pdf9/5012209.pdf

The short answer is: do not communicate with recruits at all, do not give anything of value to student-athletes.
If you are a donor, which basically means a season ticket holder etc, you are very limited as to what you can do or contact with a recruit. You are correct.
 

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I am one of the people that was saying Rimington was off his rocker talking about the walk-on program as I couldn't understand what more you could get from it as we were developing quite a few walk-ons into significant contributors.

I get it now though. They are talking about a walk-on program that is designed for more than just finding a few diamonds in the rough. They are talking about guys that are just a little bit more than a blocking dummy. This allows for you to have more stations and your fourth and fifth stringers (who could be scholarship players) are getting as many live reps as the first and second stringers. I believe the phrase was there are too many people sitting on a knee.

And if you are Coach Cav, you only need 5 offensive linemen in practice anyways!

Cheap compared to going out of state.

Still way too damn much for a piece of paper that says you learned something when a lot of college kids don't really learn anything that helps them do their future job.
 
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The cost of college should NOT an excuse for walk-ons.

1. Apply like crazy for other scholarships a year before high school graduation.
2. In state tuition is low.
3. It doesn't hurt to work during the summer and save money.
4. Many walk-ons quit after the first year knowing they're not good enough.
5. Work for a football scholarship; not have it given to you.
6. Non contributing scholarship players need to be vetted
7. It won't hurt to borrow some loan money.
8. Go to community college to reduce amount of credit hours
9. Ask relatives or coaches to help you raise tuition money.
10 Live with parents or someone you know to reduce costs.