Walker Wood Injury; What Happened?

[JW PRPcoach]

Dr. H - you are 100% right - I have zero problem with a kid attending Trinity, especially a gifted football player. I wish though, just once, that a THS supporter would admit, that with the current KHSAA rules in place in regards to student recruiting, that there IS a competitive imbalance.

Another poster mentioned our long time BB and baseball coaches - could you imagine the records they would have if they could get kids from ALL of Jeff co.? surrounding co.'s? Southern Ind.?
If I were coaching at a private school, you can bet I would be casting that wide net out for students as well.

And yes, Caveman, I'm sure they do recruit - we have an 8th grade open house every November to introduce prospective student athletes to all our sports. We try to get kids all over SW Jeff co. to come to PRP. You don't see many kids from east of Southern Parkway at our open house though.

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

I think people should be very careful saying a teenager intentionally hurt another player. I did not see the play, but it is not uncommon for us to not realize what is in another person's heart. I don't know the kid, but message board comments about high schooler's intent is strange territory.
I hear baseball coaches from other schools complain about PRP. Does PRP recruit baseball players?

Yup. Heck, Valley Sports Little League baseball complex is on their property. Remember that LLWS world champion team. Valley Sports Little League recruits.....

Every single successful sports program with a coach who cares about winning...male or female coaches...every one of them recruits. They hold their open sports specific camps.....to raise money....and if they see a really good 8th grader...."hey you're coming here to school aren't you?"

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

Dr. H - you are 100% right - I have zero problem with a kid attending Trinity, especially a gifted football player. I wish though, just once, that a THS supporter would admit, that with the current KHSAA rules in place in regards to student recruiting, that there IS a competitive imbalance.

Another poster mentioned our long time BB and baseball coaches - could you imagine the records they would have if they could get kids from ALL of Jeff co.? surrounding co.'s? Southern Ind.?
If I were coaching at a private school, you can bet I would be casting that wide net out for students as well.

And yes, Caveman, I'm sure they do recruit - we have an 8th grade open house every November to introduce prospective student athletes to all our sports. We try to get kids all over SW Jeff co. to come to PRP. You don't see many kids from east of Southern Parkway at our open house though.

There certainly is a competitive imbalance in place but I think the "recruiting" of athletes is overblown. Football in general is going to have some hard times. Look at CSAA football numbers which are waaaaaaay down. But at Trinity...no matter if they have 100 players on the roster or 50....they will be coached to win and they will do so. It is a VALUE that they all share. As alumni we EXPECT them to win and that pressure is passed down. Other than St. X who is our little brother.....I cannot think of another school that has that kind of pressure to excel.

 

[JW PRPcoach]

Thanks Dr. H
And you said a mouthful there - football in general is changing!
you spoke of the CSAA decline - it's maybe worse in "youth league" and JCPS middle school football.
Here at PRP we barely had enough kids to field a freshmen team - other schools, Manual being the most surprising, had to cancel their freshmen only seasons due to lack of players.

When the total # of players drop, there is trickle down effect. The privates (Trin, X, DeSales, CAL) are still getting their numbers - and Male and Central had 40+ frosh each - the rest of us are hurting, and three years down the road that will start to make Friday nights look worse than they commonly do already.

Congrats on another title. I'd like to think we gave you guys one of your toughest test this season.

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

Thanks Dr. H
And you said a mouthful there - football in general is changing!
you spoke of the CSAA decline - it's maybe worse in "youth league" and JCPS middle school football.
Here at PRP we barely had enough kids to field a freshmen team - other schools, Manual being the most surprising, had to cancel their freshmen only seasons due to lack of players.

When the total # of players drop, there is trickle down effect. The privates (Trin, X, DeSales, CAL) are still getting their numbers - and Male and Central had 40+ frosh each - the rest of us are hurting, and three years down the road that will start to make Friday nights look worse than they commonly do already.

Congrats on another title. I'd like to think we gave you guys one of your toughest test this season.

I've always had a great deal of respect for PRP, Butler (sorry), Male and Manual. They take their athletics very seriously. I have a huge amount of respect for Coach Miller and his baseball program. When the other 7th region teams were refusing to play Trinity in other sports....Coach Miller was not afraid to kick our butts in baseball. That is how you do it. Just beat Trinity. Naturally THS will or should have great sports teams across the board because of the emphasis it places on athletics and having 1300 boys...who largely come through the CSAA where there are lots of sports opportunities. In the Pub Middle Schools....you have one basketball team. In the CSAA they figure out how to provide an A-B-C-D teams. Everyone has a chance to play and against similar skilled players. That is the best "recruiting" pipeline that Trinity taps into.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

Some public schools need to recruit their hallways better.

But St.X and Trinity do have an advantage in recruiting and have snagged some guys through that.

What are the coaching restrictions? Are their stricter JCPS rules that the private schools don't have to follow? What about pay/budget for coaching staffs?

 

[TruBluCatFan]

If reciting stats of actual games played is "talking bad" then I am sorry. Trinity has no business playing those teams IMO because it will never end well. Do you really think Eastern's staff and players want to play Trinity? Their hope is that they dont get their students hurt. Eastern's only benefit from having Trinity come to EHS to play is that it will make their athletics department enjoy their biggest revenue day of the season.

Your view of Coach Beatty is fairly universal. He's not a warm and fuzzy guy. Making people, parents, like him is not his job. He doesnt care. His job is to win football games and he does that better than anyone else. Offensive genius...that credit goes to Coach Coverdale (OC). Trinity runs a college style program. It is the tradition of winning and competing that makes it great. The false "recruiting" narrative is simply used to diminish its success. How many D1 athletes does Trinity put on the field each year? It never really produces a ton of D1's. The national champion team was great....because of the CSAA seniors...not the D1 James Quick or Jason Hatcher.

Finally...there is no more closely watched and scrutinized program than Trinity. Much chatter and no evidence. Great players want to play there for OBVIOUS reasons. If you love football...is it wrong to play at the school that loves it more than any other?

Kind of like people talk about Cal and UK. Lots of accusations and aprocryphal stories but where is the proof?

 

[CatsFanGG24]

I was always happy to kick the rocks *** in baseball. Underperforming program and treated like a red-headed step child. Can see why St.X is quite a bit ahead of them in that sport.

 

[Beatle Bum]

If reciting stats of actual games played is "talking bad" then I am sorry. Trinity has no business playing those teams IMO because it will never end well. Do you really think Eastern's staff and players want to play Trinity? Their hope is that they dont get their students hurt. Eastern's only benefit from having Trinity come to EHS to play is that it will make their athletics department enjoy their biggest revenue day of the season.

Your view of Coach Beatty is fairly universal. He's not a warm and fuzzy guy. Making people, parents, like him is not his job. He doesnt care. His job is to win football games and he does that better than anyone else. Offensive genius...that credit goes to Coach Coverdale (OC). Trinity runs a college style program. It is the tradition of winning and competing that makes it great. The false "recruiting" narrative is simply used to diminish its success. How many D1 athletes does Trinity put on the field each year? It never really produces a ton of D1's. The national champion team was great....because of the CSAA seniors...not the D1 James Quick or Jason Hatcher.

Finally...there is no more closely watched and scrutinized program than Trinity. Much chatter and no evidence. Great players want to play there for OBVIOUS reasons. If you love football...is it wrong to play at the school that loves it more than any other?

That NC Trinity team was awesome. Trinity was recruited for that team, not the other way around. Dawkins knew he was taking his crew to a school. He liked Trinity more than he liked St X. And then he influenced many in that class to join his son at Trinity. It is my understanding that Beaty told him that the best players would play at Trinity and that Glaser made him feel that his son would have to wait his turn. Whatever the final reason, he then used his influence to recruit for Trinity.

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

That NC Trinity team was awesome. Trinity was recruited for that team, not the other way around. Dawkins knew he was taking his crew to a school. He liked Trinity more than he liked St X. And then he influenced many in that class to join his son at Trinity. It is my understanding that Beaty told him that the best players would play at Trinity and that Glaser made him feel that his son would have to wait his turn. Whatever the final reason, he then used his influence to recruit for Trinity.

Yep that team was obviously the best team in Ky HS history. But the part that gets overlooked is that it was great because of the Class of 2012 (not Quick's class of 13) that also had a state Championship in Basketball. Mr. Basketball was a CSAA kid from St. Aloysius in Peewee Valley. That senior class was loaded with CSAA athletes who gave it unprecedented depth at every position.

The defense and the O and D lines didnt get pub because everyone was fixated on the skill positions Juniors, Dawkins, Quick and of course Hatcher on D. Their CSAA junior quarterback got a okay scholarship...but never played a down at the college level.

Again, Trinity wins because of a lot of things....and history is part of that. That history attracts great players. Trinity benefits from its own excellence.

 

[JumperJack]

As alumni we donate to a scholarship fund that allows the needy the ability to have a reduced tuition. You should applaud that rather than dismiss it as something bad.

If it were the needy that didn't happen to possess athleticism, the altruism may be a bit more admirable.

 

[JumperJack]

You can't be serious with this can you? I tried to see if I was missing some sarcasm but can't see it. You do know we are talking about K-12 schools and not colleges, right?

If public schools give free tuition I'd like to know when and where. I know they do their share of recruiting but I think you are
Referring to simply accepting out of district kids.

In other words, publics accept all because they have to. They don't put up a tuition wall to keep out those they don't, or "pay" to accept those that they do.

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

If it were the needy that didn't happen to possess athleticism, the altruism may be a bit more admirable.

If you check into the process for applying for tuition assistance, it is administered by a third party, the applications do not have names associated with them and certainly whether you are an athlete or not is not part of the process. Its based on financial need.

Further...you are talking about 8th grade boys getting ready to go into high school. Do you really think that you can look at 99% of the 8th grade boys who have not in many cases even entered puberty...to determine if they should be "recruited" to play football? Trinity doesn't normally play frosh on the varsity....except in a couple very rare occasions over the past several years. You're lucky to play as a soph.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Trinity has the benefit of numbers. A kid who might not be a recruitable baller will get the chance to play one position for four years. That kid may be a very good HS position player by the time he is a junior or senior, even though he may never get an offer.

 

[bigbluegrog]

If you check into the process for applying for tuition assistance, it is administered by a third party, the applications do not have names associated with them and certainly whether you are an athlete or not is not part of the process. Its based on financial need.

Further...you are talking about 8th grade boys getting ready to go into high school. Do you really think that you can look at 99% of the 8th grade boys who have not in many cases even entered puberty...to determine if they should be "recruited" to play football? Trinity doesn't normally play frosh on the varsity....except in a couple very rare occasions over the past several years. You're lucky to play as a soph.

Question Dr. Is tuition assistance at Trinity the same thing as having "sponsors?" Or is that entirely different?

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

Question Dr. Is tuition assistance at Trinity the same thing as having "sponsors?" Or is that entirely different?

I am not familiar with "sponsors." Sorry.

 

[dallasg23]

Your point is clear, however your delivery leads me to believe that you may not understand that this issue is a double-edged sword. If you take away the Catholic schools ability to recruit, you also take away access to a better education from those kids/families that could not otherwise afford it.

Okay, double edge sword?? Last time I checked cheating is cheating. Recruiting certain players to your school strictly for their athletic ability is an unfair advantage and is illegal according to KHSAA. St. X and trinity are freaking out right now because several public schools have closed the talent gap and they feel threatened. And honestly in my 20 plus years of Louisville high school sports, I think they should take the catholic part a little more seriously. Some of the most rude and disrespectful players, fans and students I have ever come across.

 

[Ollie.ksr]

There certainly is a competitive imbalance in place but I think the "recruiting" of athletes is overblown. Football in general is going to have some hard times. Look at CSAA football numbers which are waaaaaaay down. But at Trinity...no matter if they have 100 players on the roster or 50....they will be coached to win and they will do so. It is a VALUE that they all share. As alumni we EXPECT them to win and that pressure is passed down. Other than St. X who is our little brother.....I cannot think of another school that has that kind of pressure to excel.

"Little Brother" haha, in I'm guessing football only because St. X won 8 or 9 state championships last year and Trinity won ZERO! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: You may want to set a better example as the bigger brother.

 

[sluggercatfan]

"Little Brother" haha, in I'm guessing football only because St. X won 8 or 9 state championships last year and Trinity won ZERO! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: You may want to set a better example as the bigger brother.

Ok ...here is the question ? I know a Trinity fan has video of the LL kid , but does anybody have any of the hit on WW and if it was malichous ?

 

[Kybluedude]

It wasn't a late hit. Just a football play. From the looks of it Trinity players really work hard year round. It seems most of their players don't get in the lineup until their sr season. Someone said their Sr QB who is really really good waited to this year to start and he's not the only one. I saw them play twice this year and twice last year and not one incident.

 

[JW PRPcoach]

Yep that team was obviously the best team in Ky HS history. But the part that gets overlooked is that it was great because of the Class of 2012 (not Quick's class of 13) that also had a state Championship in Basketball. Mr. Basketball was a CSAA kid from St. Aloysius in Peewee Valley. That senior class was loaded with CSAA athletes who gave it unprecedented depth at every position.

The defense and the O and D lines didnt get pub because everyone was fixated on the skill positions Juniors, Dawkins, Quick and of course Hatcher on D. Their CSAA junior quarterback got a okay scholarship...but never played a down at the college level.

Again, Trinity wins because of a lot of things....and history is part of that. That history attracts great players. Trinity benefits from its own excellence.

Looking back, it is kind of a shame that when PRP had a once in a twenty year team, we ran up against possibly the best KY team ever.

IMO the most underrated and under appreciated player on that team was Ryan White. He "man'ed up". Taywan Taylor and really shut him down - Taywan only went on to be the top receiver in WKU history and a Belitnikauf finalist. Ryan now starts for a Vandy team going bowling just like our Cats, and still plays with class and abandon.

 

[Adolph Rollingover]

Lafayette’s Walker Wood expects recovery from knee injury to take 3-4 months http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-football/article119002528.htmlP

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

Looking back, it is kind of a shame that when PRP had a once in a twenty year team, we ran up against possibly the best KY team ever.

IMO the most underrated and under appreciated player on that team was Ryan White. He "man'ed up". Taywan Taylor and really shut him down - Taywan only went on to be the top receiver in WKU history and a Belitnikauf finalist. Ryan now starts for a Vandy team going bowling just like our Cats, and still plays with class and abandon.

I forgot about Ryan. It was a great move for the kid to go to Vandy. And yes...that was a bad time to have to run into the Rocks. Ask all the Ohio schools who shared your opinion. I believe Elder's coach said that it was the best team he'd faced and that was saying something.

 

[BBBLazing]

I will say this about the recruiting argument. I had a grand daughter several years ago that played for a private school in Louisville. I don't live in Louisville, but my daughter told me that she was recruited by all private schools, and multiple public schools, not just the "traditional schools." The recruiting happens, at least in Louisville. If they are recruiting 8th grade girls in sports that people don't talk about, they are all recruiting in football and basketball, because everyone talks about those.

As far as bad sportsmanship is concerned, at least when my grand daughter was playing, winning was considered bad sportsmanship by people in the state. No one likes a dynasty, and when one develops, no matter what sport, everyone complains. Trinity can't win every year doing it wrong.

 

[irishcat1965]

There certainly is a competitive imbalance in place but I think the "recruiting" of athletes is overblown. Football in general is going to have some hard times. Look at CSAA football numbers which are waaaaaaay down. But at Trinity...no matter if they have 100 players on the roster or 50....they will be coached to win and they will do so. It is a VALUE that they all share. As alumni we EXPECT them to win and that pressure is passed down. Other than St. X who is our little brother.....I cannot think of another school that has that kind of pressure to excel.

Little brother? Lol. In football, yes, Trinity owns football in Kentucky. But the overall best sports program in Kentucky is St. X and it isn't even close. Trinity never has and never will reach the level of St. X athletics.

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

Little brother? Lol. In football, yes, Trinity owns football in Kentucky. But the overall best sports program in Kentucky is St. X and it isn't even close. Trinity never has and never will reach the level of St. X athletics.

In the one of the big three sports that actually matter...Trinity has recently won Basketball. X clearly has a superior baseball program to Trinity. On that I certainly give X props. Trinity doesnt have the facilities on campus for anything but a first class football field. X is set up like a college campus. It nice to have the longer history and the alumni base to pay for all the land and the stuff.

Trinity does not win Chess, tennis, swimming or soccer. And though it does well in soccer...at the end of the day who gives a damn about soccer.

 

[vhcat70]

Lafayette’s Walker Wood expects recovery from knee injury to take 3-4 months http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-football/article119002528.htmlP

Thanks. Sounds like there's not much advantage to him enrolling in January since he'll be rehabbing into/thru Spring Practices. Probably eliminates him as a QB option for next Fall too - to the extent he was an option.

 

[docholiday51]

No one has mentioned Boyle Co. in the late 90's to 2002,they were probably the best team in the state for a couple of those years,they recruited that group from all over everywhere.

 

[DSmith21]

Little brother? Lol. In football, yes, Trinity owns football in Kentucky. But the overall best sports program in Kentucky is St. X and it isn't even close. Trinity never has and never will reach the level of St. X athletics.

St. X dominates the country club sports (golf, tennis, swimming/diving) plus soccer. I would guess that half of St. X's state titles have come from those four sports compared to all others combined over the last 30 years.

 

[bigbluegrog]

I am not familiar with "sponsors." Sorry.

I don't know if it still happens but I am aware of athletes several years ago that were "sponsored" by affluent boosters that basically paid for their attendance to attend Trinity. I was given names by a public school principal of a couple of kids in their district that chose to go to Trinity because of this. And I have heard from people that attended Trinity that this DID occur in the past.

 

[irishcat1965]

St. X dominates the country club sports (golf, tennis, swimming/diving) plus soccer. I would guess that half of St. X's state titles have come from those four sports compared to all others combined over the last 30 years.

And they won baseball this year and do well in cross country and track and field. What's your point? No high school in Kentucky even comes within shouting distance to X sports. And X has won I think 5 state titles in football in the last 30 years. X is the sports power in Kentucky.

 

[irishcat1965]

In the one of the big three sports that actually matter...Trinity has recently won Basketball. X clearly has a superior baseball program to Trinity. On that I certainly give X props. Trinity doesnt have the facilities on campus for anything but a first class football field. X is set up like a college campus. It nice to have the longer history and the alumni base to pay for all the land and the stuff.

Trinity does not win Chess, tennis, swimming or soccer. And though it does well in soccer...at the end of the day who gives a damn about soccer.

A great many people do I imagine. So Trinity won one basketball title in its entire history. Big deal. Except for football, Trinity sports are total joke compared to X.

 

[DSmith21]

X is the sports power in Kentucky.

"The Sports Power"- Only in the country club sports plus soccer. Of the the three biggest sports (football, basketball and baseball) Trinity is better than St X in all but baseball. Trinity absolutely owns X in football (which is the real money sport in high school athletics). Nobody cares how many consecutive swimming titles X has. Just like no cares about Trinity's 11 straight power lifting titles.

 

[irishcat1965]

"The Sports Power"- Only in the country club sports plus soccer. Of the the three biggest sports (football, basketball and baseball) Trinity is better than St X in all but baseball. Trinity absolutely owns X in football (which is the real money sport in high school athletics). Nobody cares how many consecutive swimming titles X has.

Trinity has been better in football the last ten years. It's your opinion no one cares about other sports. And actually X beat Trinity in basketball last year. If you want to play football go to Trinity. If you want a much better all around sports program and an infinitely better education, go to St. X. And comparing campuses is like comparing Bill Gate's house to a section 8 apartment.

 

[DSmith21]

Trinity has been better in football the last ten years. It's your opinion no one cares about other sports. And actually X beat Trinity in basketball last year. If you want to play football go to Trinity. If you want a much better all around sports program and an infinitely better education, go to St. X. And comparing campuses is like comparing Bill Gate's house to a section 8 apartment.

Trinity has been better in football for a heck of a lot longer than the last ten years. Try the last quarter century. In basketball, Trinity has been to the sweet 16 three times in the last decade vs zero for X.

As far as education goes, they are both very good schools. St. X has a nicer campus but the gap is closing. You obviously haven't been to Trinity's campus recently.

 

[johnnyrockets]

Yep , that was me. We'll just have to disagree on this one. I have always felt the parents of private and religious school students get screwed . My belief is they pay their taxes and should be able to educate their students with voucher type stipends at any school they want.

BTW I am a lawyer very familiar with constitutional law. There really is not a constitutional problem with it. If so such things as GI bill college grants which can be spent at any college would also be unconstitutional . Its simply because catholics are in the minority that teachers unions and public school administrators have prevented competition and fairness in the system. Kind of like Bill Clinton 's I did it because I can. Public schools lobbying successfully against vouchers to avoid competition because they can.

If the public schools were so great the catholic schools would not be able to recruit from them.

When the history of the rise and fall of the USA is written I firmly believe one of the main reasons the authors will give for the decline of America is teachers unions and poor public education.If you don't believe me do some reading on where our public education systems ranks in the world.

OK, Manual is the best school public or private in this State . I get that. However other than that the Catholic high schools and a few private ones are a better option for many students IMHO.

I believe in freedom and peoples' right to determine their own destiny without government interference. If a single mom having trouble making ends meet is locked into a public school and wants to have what she believes is better for her kids what's the problem with scholarships paid by others to allow her to do it. Or government vouchers . What's the problem with Charter schools giving the parent more of a voice in the education of their kids.

One explanation of Brexit and the Trump phenomenon is that people are sick and tired of BIG GOVERNMENT DICTATING WHAT'S BEST FOR THEM.

Jauk, I have also followed your posts for many years and have a very high opinion of you as well.

On this one we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Conservatively Yours.


PEACE

Lou

It's a well reasoned take. Counter argument is that voucher programs would eventually decimate the public school system, leaving the already disenfranchised, disadvantaged kids (further) out in the cold. The idea that the system should take MORE money away from schools that are in dire straits so that well-to-do parents pay a lower effective tuition rate at the private school (which hasn't been proven to be more effective than public school once you control for the kids who matriculate there) is insulting to some people. I get the individual liberty argument but think it ignores the fairly straight forward externality that would be the end of the public school system as we know it. Charter schools are for profit, and as such, they are directly incentivized only to bring in high-performing kids. So where do the kids that really need the help go? You can argue "not my problem," I guess, but I'd disagree.

We agree on one thing, for sure--the educational system in this country is to blame for many (most?) of our current heartaches.

 

[johnnyrockets]

Trinity has been better in football for a heck of a lot longer than the last ten years. Try the last quarter century. In basketball, Trinity has been to the sweet 16 three times in the last decade vs zero for X.

As far as education goes, they are both very good schools. St. X has a nicer campus but the gap is closing. You obviously haven't been to Trinity's campus recently.

St. X dominated Trinity between the Brohms (Jeff and Brian). TS. Academics also not as close as you'd probably like.

 

[C.W.1]

I wasn't there and have no dog in the fight. Adolph says it was not a late hit and he has credibility with me. Josh Moore of the Herald Leader tweeted that it was late hit and he should be objective too. It does seem extreme and poor sportsmanship on the part of Lafayette to not shake hands. Even if the hit was late, and some say it wasn't, it was one player making the hit from what's been reported. Also, Trinity players are not responsible for chants made by fans/students not playing. Seems like too much is being made of the chant when that should have nothing to do with shaking hands after the game. They were not refusing to shake hands with the people who were chanting. The classy thing to do is shake hands, win or lose, after a game.

 

[irishcat1965]

Trinity has been better in football for a heck of a lot longer than the last ten years. Try the last quarter century. In basketball, Trinity has been to the sweet 16 three times in the last decade vs zero for X.

As far as education goes, they are both very good schools. St. X has a nicer campus but the gap is closing. You obviously haven't been to Trinity's campus recently.

Actually I have been by the Trinity campus recently. It's not in the same stratosphere as the X campus and never will be. As far as football, I suggest you check the records since you are clueless. In the 15 years from 1994 until 2009, X won 13 games in either the regular season or the playoffs. You know how many Trinity won? 9 games. It is only since 2010, Trinity has dominated. So you have no idea what you are talking about. As far as sports, X won 9 state titles last year. Trinity? ZERO. Academically, X is known as one of the better high schools in the nation. Trinity? Not so much. X is the far superior high school in every sense and it isn't even close.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

So any news on Wood or is that not allowed in this thread?