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Note: I am NOT calling for Lebby to be fired ... yet. I am totally willing to give him until the end of this season to see if he can turn things around. But if we do finish 4-8 (0-8), I think we have to pull the trigger. I researched and only found 3 examples in the last 20 years of an FBS school bringing back a coach after 2 straight winless years in the conference, whether it was his first two years or not:
  • Ted Roof went 0-8 at Duke in both 2005 and 2006, then was brought back to go 0-8 again in 2007 and get fired.
  • Randy Edsall went 0-8 at UConn in 2018 and 2019, then didn't play at all in 2020 and was fired after just 2 games in 2021.
  • Trent Miles went 0-7 and 0-8 in 2013 and 2014 at Georgia State, before improving and making a bowl in 2015 but then regressing and getting fired midseason in 2016. Those were Georgia State's first 2 years in the FBS, so it's a little more understandable why they gave him more list.
So I stand by my previous statements that no one would give Lebby a 3rd year if he starts out 0-16, and there's no reason to expect him not to be fired pretty soon after even if we did.

One major reason people don't want to fire him is because they're afraid we won't be able to hire anyone this offseason because a bunch of big-name schools will be looking for a coach. That's just not true though. Here is a list of 15 coaches who have head coaching experience (so no having to learn on the job that you don't throw in that situation last night), multiple years of success, and who aren't likely to be snatched up by Florida, Penn State, UCLA, etc. I didn't put names like James Franklin on the list. Obviously I'd love to hire him, but it's not realistic to expect us to get him. This isn't meant to be a comprehensive list. There are probably other solid hires out there that I didn't think of.

It's possible that some names on this list would turn us down to go to Arkansas or Virginia Tech or stay where they are, but I'm confident that most people here would seriously consider taking our job. We shouldn't sell ourselves short - we are an SEC school, and one of only 34 teams in the "Power Two." More importantly, I'm confident that every single name on the list would be 5-2 with our current roster, and most of them would be 6-1. This isn't a list of "greatest coaches hypothetically available," it's a list of "coaches we could probably get that would probably be an upgrade."

1. Bob Chesney - Career record of 126-51, won big at Salve Regina, Assumption, and Holy Cross, before coming to James Madison, where he is 15-5 (8-4). Seems like another Cignetti.

2. Jason Candle - Currently in his 10th year at Toledo, where he is 76-43 (48-25) with 2 conference championships and .500 or better in every season and 1 aѕѕ-kicking of an SEC school.

3. Matt Entz - 2 FCS national titles at North Dakota State with a record of 60-11 (32-7). Now the head coach at Fresno State and is 5-2 in year 1.

4. Jon Sumrall - Went 23-4 (4-2) at Troy and is now 15-6 (10-1) at Tulane. Rumored to have turned us down in late 2023, but worth a second inquiry.

5. Brent Vigen - Currently in his 5th year at Montana State, with all top 10 finishes and a 52-12 (32-3) record.

6. Brian Newberry - In his 3rd year at Navy, currently 21-10 (14-6) there. Finished 10-3 last year and is undefeated in 2025. Came up as a DC so probably not committed to being a triple option team.

7. Troy Calhoun - They've had a dropoff the last couple years, but he's been very solid over his 19 years at Air Force, with a record of 136-94 (80-62). The service academies are at a bigger recruiting disadvantage than ever in the NIL/portal era.

8. Alex Golesh - In the 3 years before he arrived at South Florida, they went 4-29. Since then, they are 19-13 (10-8) with wins over Syracuse and Flordia. THAT's how you do a turnaround. He may getting a bigger job.

9. KC Keeler - He's old for a new hire at 66, but he's 275-115 in his career, winning big at Rowan, Delaware, and Sam Houston, winning 5 D3 national titles and 2 FCS national titles. Now in his first year at Temple. Probably too old for a long-term rebuild, but it would be his chance at the biggest stage.

10. Charles Huff - 4 bowl games in 4 years at Marshall, and has instantly turned around Southern Miss in year 1 this year.

11. Jimmy Rogers - 2 seasons at South Dakota State that included an FCS national title and a semifinal, and has been surprisingly good and competitive at Washington State this year.

12. Mike Gundy - I know, I know. He's not like the rest of the names on the list. And the last 2 years were pretty bad. But you can't argue with his resume, 170-90 (102-72) at what used to be the Mississippi State of the Big 12. Only 58, so could coach for another decade. Finished ranked twice in 2020s, so it's not a long-term decline, just completely falling apart over the last 2 years.

13. Tim Polasek - Short tenure as a head coach, only in his second year. Won the FCS National Title at North Dakota State last year and is now 7-0 in year 2. Each of the last 3 NDSU coaches has moved on to the FBS ranks and continued to be good.

14. Tyson Helton - I never hear his name discussed, but he's 53-35 (37-14) at Western Kentucky and has led them to a bowl every year he's been there.

15. Ryan Silverfield - Another name people don't talk about, but 48-22 (25-18) at Memphis with a bowl every year. A bit of a red flag that his two predecessors at Memphis were both good there are failed at Power 4 jobs though.

Again, I'm NOT committed to firing Lebby yet. He deserves our support for the rest of the year. But if we do go 0-8 again, there are absolutely plausible hires out there who would have finished better than 0-8 with this exact roster.
 
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Good list. I honestly have no idea what folks are doing out there scheme wise anymore. Truth be known I’d rather just stick with Libby for continuity. And we likely won’t go 0-8 anyway, we will win somewhere.

I didn’t like the hire but we’re in it now. If we do have to do it I’d like to go the older coach route, guy near 60 so we can get hopefully a long run out of him, and won’t be looking around.
 

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Good list. I honestly have no idea what folks are doing out there scheme wise anymore. Truth be known I’d rather just stick with Libby for continuity. And we likely won’t go 0-8 anyway, we will win somewhere.

I didn’t like the hire but we’re in it now. If we do have to do it I’d like to go the older coach route, guy near 60 so we can get hopefully a long run out of him, and won’t be looking around.
Keeler would be my #1 if he were 10 years younger. But then again if he were 10 years younger, he would have been hired by a bigger-name school than Temple.
 

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Note: I am NOT calling for Lebby to be fired ... yet. I am totally willing to give him until the end of this season to see if he can turn things around. But if we do finish 4-8 (0-8), I think we have to pull the trigger. I researched and only found 3 examples in the last 20 years of an FBS school bringing back a coach after 2 straight winless years in the conference, whether it was his first two years or not:
  • Ted Roof went 0-8 at Duke in both 2005 and 2006, then was brought back to go 0-8 again in 2007 and get fired.
  • Randy Edsall went 0-8 at UConn in 2018 and 2019, then didn't play at all in 2020 and was fired after just 2 games in 2021.
  • Trent Miles went 0-7 and 0-8 in 2013 and 2014 at Georgia State, before improving and making a bowl in 2015 but then regressing and getting fired midseason in 2016. Those were Georgia State's first 2 years in the FBS, so it's a little more understandable why they gave him more list.
So I stand by my previous statements that no one would give Lebby a 3rd year if he starts out 0-16, and there's no reason to expect him not to be fired pretty soon after even if we did.

One major reason people don't want to fire him is because they're afraid we won't be able to hire anyone this offseason because a bunch of big-name schools will be looking for a coach. That's just not true though. Here is a list of 15 coaches who have head coaching experience (so no having to learn on the job that you don't throw in that situation last night), multiple years of success, and who aren't likely to be snatched up by Florida, Penn State, UCLA, etc. I didn't put names like James Franklin on the list. Obviously I'd love to hire him, but it's not realistic to expect us to get him. This isn't meant to be a comprehensive list. There are probably other solid hires out there that I didn't think of.

It's possible that some names on this list would turn us down to go to Arkansas or Virginia Tech or stay where they are, but I'm confident that most people here would seriously consider taking our job. We shouldn't sell ourselves short - we are an SEC school, and one of only 34 teams in the "Power Two." More importantly, I'm confident that every single name on the list would be 5-2 with our current roster, and most of them would be 6-1. This isn't a list of "greatest coaches hypothetically available," it's a list of "coaches we could probably get that would probably be an upgrade."

1. Bob Chesney — Career record of 126-51, won big at Salve Regina, Assumption, and Holy Cross, before coming to James Madison, where he is 15-5 (8-4). Seems like another Cignetti.

2. Jason Candle — Currently in his 10th year at Toledo, where he is 76-43 (48-25) with 2 conference championships and .500 or better in every season and 1 aѕѕ-kicking of an SEC school.

3. Matt Entz — 2 FCS national titles at North Dakota State with a record of 60-11 (32-7). Now the head coach at Fresno State and is 5-2 in year 1.

4. Jon Sumrall — Went 23-4 (4-2) at Troy and is now 15-6 (10-1) at Tulane. Rumored to have turned us down in late 2023, but worth a second inquiry.

5. Brent Vigen — Currently in his 5th year at Montana State, with all top 10 finishes and a 52-12 (32-3) record.

6. Brian Newberry — In his 3rd year at Navy, currently 21-10 (14-6) there. Finished 10-3 last year and is undefeated in 2025. Came up as a DC so probably not committed to being a triple option team, but does emphasize discipline.

7. Troy Calhoun — They've had a dropoff the last couple years, but he's been very solid over his 19 years at Air Force, with a record of 136-94 (80-62). The service academies are at a bigger recruiting disadvantage than ever in the NIL/portal era.

8. Alex Golesh — In the 3 years before he arrived at South Florida, they went 4-29. Since then, they are 19-13 (10-8) with wins over Syracuse and Flordia. THAT's how you do a turnaround. He may getting a bigger job.

9. KC Keeler — He's old for a new hire at 66, but he's 275-115 in his career, winning big at Rowan, Delaware, and Sam Houston, winning 5 D3 national titles and 2 FCS national titles. Now in his first year at Temple. Probably too old for a long-term rebuild, but it would be his chance at the biggest stage.

10. Charles Huff — 4 bowl games in 4 years at Marshall, and has instantly turned around Southern Miss in year 1 this year.

11. Jimmy Rogers — 2 seasons at South Dakota State that included an FCS national title and a semifinal, and has been surprisingly good and competitive at Washington State this year.

12. Mike Gundy — I know, I know. He's not like the rest of the names on the list. And the last 2 years were pretty bad. But you can't argue with his resume, 170-90 (102-72) at what used to be the Mississippi State of the Big 12. Only 58, so could coach for another decade. Finished ranked twice in 2020s, so it's not a long-term decline, just completely falling apart over the last 2 years.

13. Tim Polasek — Short tenure as a head coach, only in his second year. Won the FCS National Title at North Dakota State last year and is now 7-0 in year 2. Each of the last 3 NDSU coaches has moved on to the FBS ranks and continued to be good.

14. Tyson Helton — I never hear his name discussed, but he's 53-35 (37-14) at Western Kentucky and has led them to a bowl every year he's been there.

15. Ryan Silverfield — Another name people don't talk about, but 48-22 (25-18) at Memphis with a bowl every year. A bit of a red flag that his two predecessors at Memphis were both good there are failed at Power 4 jobs though.

Again, I'm NOT committed to firing Lebby yet. He deserves our support for the rest of the year. But if we do go 0-8 again, there are absolutely plausible hires out there who would have finished better than 0-8 with this exact roster.
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I think you’re wasting your time. He will be here in 2026 barring an off field scandal.
I hope he wins a few games this season and makes the question moot. (In fact I hope he wins all 5 of them and finishes 9-3).

But I think the "we can't possibly hire anyone better than Lebby this offseason!" argument is completely disproven now, in which case it was not a waste of time at all. Now any time someone tries to argue this false point, they can be linked back to this list of coaches who will mostly be available.
 

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Anybody and I’m talking about anybody including your wives, kids, mothers, daddies, grannies, pappies, and so on, who are okay with keeping Lebby if State goes 4-8(0-8) is not serious about State having a winning football program. I don’t mean a 12-0, 11-1, 10-2 program. I mean a 7-5 average to 9-3 occasionally program! This BS here right now ain’t working! If Dude can find 2 wins in the next 5 games, give him another year to get to that 7-5 or 8-4 mark. But 4-8 and really 5-7 sucks after last year and starting 4-0 this year, especially either the Middle 6 programs coming back to the crowd some this year.
Florida sucks. they beat us or WE best us!
Tennessee is up and down and State had a chance but not the finishers on the field.
Texas is strong defensively, but State should be able to be close enough in the late 4th qtr to beat them.
Arkansas can score but they can’t stop the cheer squad.
At Missouri, you stop the run you stop Missouri
ole Miss. by then they will have 2 losses and we can end their playoff hopes.

No excuses to not win at least 2 SEC games this year. Win 2 or get the hell out of here!
 
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I hope he wins a few games this season and makes the question moot. (In fact I hope he wins all 5 of them and finishes 9-3).

But I think the "we can't possibly hire anyone better than Lebby this offseason!" argument is completely disproven now, in which case it was not a waste of time at all. Now any time someone tries to argue this false point, they can be linked back to this list of coaches who will mostly be available.
I am not even saying that from a point of “we can’t hire anyone better”. I don’t know the answer to that hypothetical. Coaching searches are total crap shoots.

We are simply not pressing the quick eject on a coach for the third time since early 2020. And that’s not even counting the Leach tenure that ended up being unexpectedly and tragically short.

You cannot keep resetting the program every 2 years and assuming the unknown next guy will have it humming right away. At some point you have to give one of these guys 3-4 years to build it and establish a culture. And if it doesn’t work out, so be it, everyone‘s tenure has an expiration date eventually. But at some point you’ve gotta try a patient approach.

Some of us tried telling yall all offseason, we can be noticeably better this year and still only win about 4 games. We are noticeably better. We may only win 4 games, I’m not sure. 6 is probably our ceiling and even that probably bothers some people with Ole Miss winning 8 to 10 every year in this era.

I’m telling you, this guy is not getting fired after this year without an off field scandal. The sooner that is accepted, the easier it will be for anyone thinking otherwise. The jump from 2 wins to at least doubling that, plus beating a Top 25 team, plus being significantly more competitive in league play (even if the record is the same or similar) will be viewed as enough progress to give Lebby a Year 3.
 

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You cannot keep resetting the program every 2 years and assuming the unknown next guy will have it humming right away. At some point you have to give one of these guys 3-4 years to build it and establish a culture. And if it doesn’t work out, so be it, everyone‘s tenure has an expiration date eventually. But at some point you’ve gotta try a patient approach.
Again, that's pre-NIL/portal thinking. There's no "building a program" anymore. There's no "establishing a culture" anymore.

Every year, you turn over your roster completely and buy a new one. Lebby failed at this in 2024, but we all gave him a free pass because he got a late start and it was his first time.

He did OK at this in 2025 and got a roster that was good enough to be 6-1 right now, but his coaching held us back to 4-3. Maybe we'll win a few and it will be better by the end of the year.

But either way, it's the same thing in 2026 - rebuild a new roster from the portal with NIL money and then coach them to their fullest potential. Either Lebby is a coach who can do that with all of our advantages and disadvantages, or he's not. So far, I'm not convinced that he can.
 

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Again, that's pre-NIL/portal thinking. There's no "building a program" anymore. There's no "establishing a culture" anymore.

Every year, you turn over your roster completely and buy a new one. Lebby failed at this in 2024, but we all gave him a free pass because he got a late start and it was his first time.

He did OK at this in 2025 and got a roster that was good enough to be 6-1 right now, but his coaching held us back to 4-3. Maybe we'll we a few and it will be better by the end of the year.

But either way, it's the same thing in 2026 - rebuild a new roster from the portal with NIL money and then coach them to their fullest potential. Either Lebby is a coach who can do that with all of our advantages and disadvantages, or he's not. So far, I'm not convinced that he can.
The portal did not eliminate the importance of establishing a culture. It just changed how you build it. And the most successful teams in this era are those that have had a solid mix of returning guys familiar with the program and complemented by new guys that can fill holes and occasionally instantly be stars for you. I don’t feel that you are paying very close attention if you are assuming that all the teams that are winning are just flipping their rosters 100% every year. Gosh no. There may be elite coaches that can handle more turnover than others. But those coaches are few and far between.

You are more than welcome to think whatever you want about whether Lebby can do it or not. The jury is very much still out. I’m pretty pissed at him after yesterday myself.

The guy is not getting fired after this year without a scandal. Or at the very least it would be enormous surprise.
 
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Note: I am NOT calling for Lebby to be fired ... yet. I am totally willing to give him until the end of this season to see if he can turn things around. But if we do finish 4-8 (0-8), I think we have to pull the trigger. I researched and only found 3 examples in the last 20 years of an FBS school bringing back a coach after 2 straight winless years in the conference, whether it was his first two years or not:
  • Ted Roof went 0-8 at Duke in both 2005 and 2006, then was brought back to go 0-8 again in 2007 and get fired.
  • Randy Edsall went 0-8 at UConn in 2018 and 2019, then didn't play at all in 2020 and was fired after just 2 games in 2021.
  • Trent Miles went 0-7 and 0-8 in 2013 and 2014 at Georgia State, before improving and making a bowl in 2015 but then regressing and getting fired midseason in 2016. Those were Georgia State's first 2 years in the FBS, so it's a little more understandable why they gave him more list.
So I stand by my previous statements that no one would give Lebby a 3rd year if he starts out 0-16, and there's no reason to expect him not to be fired pretty soon after even if we did.

One major reason people don't want to fire him is because they're afraid we won't be able to hire anyone this offseason because a bunch of big-name schools will be looking for a coach. That's just not true though. Here is a list of 15 coaches who have head coaching experience (so no having to learn on the job that you don't throw in that situation last night), multiple years of success, and who aren't likely to be snatched up by Florida, Penn State, UCLA, etc. I didn't put names like James Franklin on the list. Obviously I'd love to hire him, but it's not realistic to expect us to get him. This isn't meant to be a comprehensive list. There are probably other solid hires out there that I didn't think of.

It's possible that some names on this list would turn us down to go to Arkansas or Virginia Tech or stay where they are, but I'm confident that most people here would seriously consider taking our job. We shouldn't sell ourselves short - we are an SEC school, and one of only 34 teams in the "Power Two." More importantly, I'm confident that every single name on the list would be 5-2 with our current roster, and most of them would be 6-1. This isn't a list of "greatest coaches hypothetically available," it's a list of "coaches we could probably get that would probably be an upgrade."

1. Bob Chesney - Career record of 126-51, won big at Salve Regina, Assumption, and Holy Cross, before coming to James Madison, where he is 15-5 (8-4). Seems like another Cignetti.

2. Jason Candle - Currently in his 10th year at Toledo, where he is 76-43 (48-25) with 2 conference championships and .500 or better in every season and 1 aѕѕ-kicking of an SEC school.

3. Matt Entz - 2 FCS national titles at North Dakota State with a record of 60-11 (32-7). Now the head coach at Fresno State and is 5-2 in year 1.

4. Jon Sumrall - Went 23-4 (4-2) at Troy and is now 15-6 (10-1) at Tulane. Rumored to have turned us down in late 2023, but worth a second inquiry.

5. Brent Vigen - Currently in his 5th year at Montana State, with all top 10 finishes and a 52-12 (32-3) record.

6. Brian Newberry - In his 3rd year at Navy, currently 21-10 (14-6) there. Finished 10-3 last year and is undefeated in 2025. Came up as a DC so probably not committed to being a triple option team.

7. Troy Calhoun - They've had a dropoff the last couple years, but he's been very solid over his 19 years at Air Force, with a record of 136-94 (80-62). The service academies are at a bigger recruiting disadvantage than ever in the NIL/portal era.

8. Alex Golesh - In the 3 years before he arrived at South Florida, they went 4-29. Since then, they are 19-13 (10-8) with wins over Syracuse and Flordia. THAT's how you do a turnaround. He may getting a bigger job.

9. KC Keeler - He's old for a new hire at 66, but he's 275-115 in his career, winning big at Rowan, Delaware, and Sam Houston, winning 5 D3 national titles and 2 FCS national titles. Now in his first year at Temple. Probably too old for a long-term rebuild, but it would be his chance at the biggest stage.

10. Charles Huff - 4 bowl games in 4 years at Marshall, and has instantly turned around Southern Miss in year 1 this year.

11. Jimmy Rogers - 2 seasons at South Dakota State that included an FCS national title and a semifinal, and has been surprisingly good and competitive at Washington State this year.

12. Mike Gundy - I know, I know. He's not like the rest of the names on the list. And the last 2 years were pretty bad. But you can't argue with his resume, 170-90 (102-72) at what used to be the Mississippi State of the Big 12. Only 58, so could coach for another decade. Finished ranked twice in 2020s, so it's not a long-term decline, just completely falling apart over the last 2 years.

13. Tim Polasek - Short tenure as a head coach, only in his second year. Won the FCS National Title at North Dakota State last year and is now 7-0 in year 2. Each of the last 3 NDSU coaches has moved on to the FBS ranks and continued to be good.

14. Tyson Helton - I never hear his name discussed, but he's 53-35 (37-14) at Western Kentucky and has led them to a bowl every year he's been there.

15. Ryan Silverfield - Another name people don't talk about, but 48-22 (25-18) at Memphis with a bowl every year. A bit of a red flag that his two predecessors at Memphis were both good there are failed at Power 4 jobs though.

Again, I'm NOT committed to firing Lebby yet. He deserves our support for the rest of the year. But if we do go 0-8 again, there are absolutely plausible hires out there who would have finished better than 0-8 with this exact roster.
The ones mentioned did not have to compete in the SEC in recent times.
 
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The portal did not eliminate the importance of establishing a culture. It just changed how you build it. And the most successful teams in this era are those that have had a solid mix of returning guys familiar with the program and complemented by new guys that can fill holes and occasionally instantly be stars for you. I don’t feel that you are paying very close attention if you are assuming that all the teams that are winning are just flipping their rosters 100% every year. Gosh no. There may be elite coaches that can handle more turnover than others. But those coaches are few and far between.
Not literally a 100% turnover, but every team is negotiating with their current players every offseason. Even the schools who aren't bringing in dozens of players from the portal are playing defense and keeping their current rosters from going to the portal. We're going to have to do both every year going forward.

If we give Taylor a bunch of money to stay here this offseason, and a bunch more next offseason, I call that working the portal even if he never actually gets in it.

The guy is not getting fired after this year without a scandal. Or at the very least it would be enormous surprise.
We'll see. I'm hopeful that we beat Texas Saturday and make the question moot. But my point in making this thread is not to argue that Lebby should or will be fired (in fact, that's my first and last point in the post), but to show that there are a lot of successful coaches out there that we could plausibly hire who would probably (but not assuredly, because like you said it's always a crapshoot) have a better record.

I'm confident that the coaches on my list (except maybe Gundy, not sure what's going on with him mental health-wise) would likely have had 1-2 more wins with our roster last year and have 1-2 more wins with our roster this year. At least, it's reasonable to think so based on their history.
 

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I am not even saying that from a point of “we can’t hire anyone better”. I don’t know the answer to that hypothetical. Coaching searches are total crap shoots.

We are simply not pressing the quick eject on a coach for the third time since early 2020. And that’s not even counting the Leach tenure that ended up being unexpectedly and tragically short.

You cannot keep resetting the program every 2 years and assuming the unknown next guy will have it humming right away. At some point you have to give one of these guys 3-4 years to build it and establish a culture. And if it doesn’t work out, so be it, everyone‘s tenure has an expiration date eventually. But at some point you’ve gotta try a patient approach.

Some of us tried telling yall all offseason, we can be noticeably better this year and still only win about 4 games. We are noticeably better. We may only win 4 games, I’m not sure. 6 is probably our ceiling and even that probably bothers some people with Ole Miss winning 8 to 10 every year in this era.

I’m telling you, this guy is not getting fired after this year without an off field scandal. The sooner that is accepted, the easier it will be for anyone thinking otherwise. The jump from 2 wins to at least doubling that, plus beating a Top 25 team, plus being significantly more competitive in league play (even if the record is the same or similar) will be viewed as enough progress to give Lebby a Year 3.
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The portal did not eliminate the importance of establishing a culture. It just changed how you build it. And the most successful teams in this era are those that have had a solid mix of returning guys familiar with the program and complemented by new guys that can fill holes and occasionally instantly be stars for you. I don’t feel that you are paying very close attention if you are assuming that all the teams that are winning are just flipping their rosters 100% every year. Gosh no. There may be elite coaches that can handle more turnover than others. But those coaches are few and far between.

You are more than welcome to think whatever you want about whether Lebby can do it or not. The jury is very much still out. I’m pretty pissed at him after yesterday myself.

The guy is not getting fired after this year without a scandal. Or at the very least it would be enormous surprise.
The problem is you need continuity to recruit the portal. If we have a change we are screwed in the portal year 1.
 

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I just hope he wins a couple of games and erases any doubt. But yeah, 0-16 we may not have a choice.
Nah. Although no sec wins he’s already doubled our win total from last year. Keenum will probably recommend an extension and big raise. 🙂
 

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Only reason you wouldn't can lebby for going 0-16 is because of the reset of having 4 different coaches since 21 and having some continuity.
we are playing better but we are some poor coaching decisions and better qb/ol recruiting from being where we want to be.
Normally you would go ahead and fire a guy for 0-16 but I think with firing Arnett in year 1 I doubt we do it.

but if you had a proven winner lined up I think you do it. Cignetti came in and won year 1. If you have a guy that knows what he is doing and isn't in training wheels it's a lot more plausible to reset in year 1 with the portal but we hired lebby and really the first mistake was Arnett but we double down on inexperience. I still can't believe the best portal qbs Lebby could get were Shapen and Krom.
 

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James Franklin had 6 10-win seasons in a 9-year stretch and won 9 games in back-to-back years at Vanderbilt.
Call him a choker all you want, but he’s not a mediocre head coach.
All he had to play in that conference was OSU and Michigan and he couldn't beat them. Lost so many big games he got fired. He's a snake oil salesman and one that would have absolutely no interest in MSU
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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Note: I am NOT calling for Lebby to be fired ... yet. I am totally willing to give him until the end of this season to see if he can turn things around. But if we do finish 4-8 (0-8), I think we have to pull the trigger. I researched and only found 3 examples in the last 20 years of an FBS school bringing back a coach after 2 straight winless years in the conference, whether it was his first two years or not:
  • Ted Roof went 0-8 at Duke in both 2005 and 2006, then was brought back to go 0-8 again in 2007 and get fired.
  • Randy Edsall went 0-8 at UConn in 2018 and 2019, then didn't play at all in 2020 and was fired after just 2 games in 2021.
  • Trent Miles went 0-7 and 0-8 in 2013 and 2014 at Georgia State, before improving and making a bowl in 2015 but then regressing and getting fired midseason in 2016. Those were Georgia State's first 2 years in the FBS, so it's a little more understandable why they gave him more list.
So I stand by my previous statements that no one would give Lebby a 3rd year if he starts out 0-16, and there's no reason to expect him not to be fired pretty soon after even if we did.

One major reason people don't want to fire him is because they're afraid we won't be able to hire anyone this offseason because a bunch of big-name schools will be looking for a coach. That's just not true though. Here is a list of 15 coaches who have head coaching experience (so no having to learn on the job that you don't throw in that situation last night), multiple years of success, and who aren't likely to be snatched up by Florida, Penn State, UCLA, etc. I didn't put names like James Franklin on the list. Obviously I'd love to hire him, but it's not realistic to expect us to get him. This isn't meant to be a comprehensive list. There are probably other solid hires out there that I didn't think of.

It's possible that some names on this list would turn us down to go to Arkansas or Virginia Tech or stay where they are, but I'm confident that most people here would seriously consider taking our job. We shouldn't sell ourselves short - we are an SEC school, and one of only 34 teams in the "Power Two." More importantly, I'm confident that every single name on the list would be 5-2 with our current roster, and most of them would be 6-1. This isn't a list of "greatest coaches hypothetically available," it's a list of "coaches we could probably get that would probably be an upgrade."

1. Bob Chesney - Career record of 126-51, won big at Salve Regina, Assumption, and Holy Cross, before coming to James Madison, where he is 15-5 (8-4). Seems like another Cignetti.

2. Jason Candle - Currently in his 10th year at Toledo, where he is 76-43 (48-25) with 2 conference championships and .500 or better in every season and 1 aѕѕ-kicking of an SEC school.

3. Matt Entz - 2 FCS national titles at North Dakota State with a record of 60-11 (32-7). Now the head coach at Fresno State and is 5-2 in year 1.

4. Jon Sumrall - Went 23-4 (4-2) at Troy and is now 15-6 (10-1) at Tulane. Rumored to have turned us down in late 2023, but worth a second inquiry.

5. Brent Vigen - Currently in his 5th year at Montana State, with all top 10 finishes and a 52-12 (32-3) record.

6. Brian Newberry - In his 3rd year at Navy, currently 21-10 (14-6) there. Finished 10-3 last year and is undefeated in 2025. Came up as a DC so probably not committed to being a triple option team.

7. Troy Calhoun - They've had a dropoff the last couple years, but he's been very solid over his 19 years at Air Force, with a record of 136-94 (80-62). The service academies are at a bigger recruiting disadvantage than ever in the NIL/portal era.

8. Alex Golesh - In the 3 years before he arrived at South Florida, they went 4-29. Since then, they are 19-13 (10-8) with wins over Syracuse and Flordia. THAT's how you do a turnaround. He may getting a bigger job.

9. KC Keeler - He's old for a new hire at 66, but he's 275-115 in his career, winning big at Rowan, Delaware, and Sam Houston, winning 5 D3 national titles and 2 FCS national titles. Now in his first year at Temple. Probably too old for a long-term rebuild, but it would be his chance at the biggest stage.

10. Charles Huff - 4 bowl games in 4 years at Marshall, and has instantly turned around Southern Miss in year 1 this year.

11. Jimmy Rogers - 2 seasons at South Dakota State that included an FCS national title and a semifinal, and has been surprisingly good and competitive at Washington State this year.

12. Mike Gundy - I know, I know. He's not like the rest of the names on the list. And the last 2 years were pretty bad. But you can't argue with his resume, 170-90 (102-72) at what used to be the Mississippi State of the Big 12. Only 58, so could coach for another decade. Finished ranked twice in 2020s, so it's not a long-term decline, just completely falling apart over the last 2 years.

13. Tim Polasek - Short tenure as a head coach, only in his second year. Won the FCS National Title at North Dakota State last year and is now 7-0 in year 2. Each of the last 3 NDSU coaches has moved on to the FBS ranks and continued to be good.

14. Tyson Helton - I never hear his name discussed, but he's 53-35 (37-14) at Western Kentucky and has led them to a bowl every year he's been there.

15. Ryan Silverfield - Another name people don't talk about, but 48-22 (25-18) at Memphis with a bowl every year. A bit of a red flag that his two predecessors at Memphis were both good there are failed at Power 4 jobs though.

Again, I'm NOT committed to firing Lebby yet. He deserves our support for the rest of the year. But if we do go 0-8 again, there are absolutely plausible hires out there who would have finished better than 0-8 with this exact roster.
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Dawgg

Heisman
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All he had to play in that conference was OSU and Michigan and he couldn't beat them. Lost so many big games he got fired. He's a snake oil salesman and one that would have absolutely no interest in MSU
He was in the ******* Final Four last year.

Oh, suddenly, we’re too good for James Franklin because we have Jeff 17ing Lebby? Are you sнitting me?

Also, dude coached at Vanderbilt. Not sure he’s too good for us either.
 

Leeshouldveflanked

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The handling of the aftermath of Leach’s death was a total cluster by our administration.
We should have kept the staff intact and went with an interim (either Hughes, Lil Spurrier or Mason Miller) for the 2023 Season. That would have given the administration time to develop a plan and do a proper coaching search.
 

theoriginalSALTYdog

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Note: I am NOT calling for Lebby to be fired ... yet. I am totally willing to give him until the end of this season to see if he can turn things around. But if we do finish 4-8 (0-8), I think we have to pull the trigger. I researched and only found 3 examples in the last 20 years of an FBS school bringing back a coach after 2 straight winless years in the conference, whether it was his first two years or not:
  • Ted Roof went 0-8 at Duke in both 2005 and 2006, then was brought back to go 0-8 again in 2007 and get fired.
  • Randy Edsall went 0-8 at UConn in 2018 and 2019, then didn't play at all in 2020 and was fired after just 2 games in 2021.
  • Trent Miles went 0-7 and 0-8 in 2013 and 2014 at Georgia State, before improving and making a bowl in 2015 but then regressing and getting fired midseason in 2016. Those were Georgia State's first 2 years in the FBS, so it's a little more understandable why they gave him more list.
So I stand by my previous statements that no one would give Lebby a 3rd year if he starts out 0-16, and there's no reason to expect him not to be fired pretty soon after even if we did.

One major reason people don't want to fire him is because they're afraid we won't be able to hire anyone this offseason because a bunch of big-name schools will be looking for a coach. That's just not true though. Here is a list of 15 coaches who have head coaching experience (so no having to learn on the job that you don't throw in that situation last night), multiple years of success, and who aren't likely to be snatched up by Florida, Penn State, UCLA, etc. I didn't put names like James Franklin on the list. Obviously I'd love to hire him, but it's not realistic to expect us to get him. This isn't meant to be a comprehensive list. There are probably other solid hires out there that I didn't think of.

It's possible that some names on this list would turn us down to go to Arkansas or Virginia Tech or stay where they are, but I'm confident that most people here would seriously consider taking our job. We shouldn't sell ourselves short - we are an SEC school, and one of only 34 teams in the "Power Two." More importantly, I'm confident that every single name on the list would be 5-2 with our current roster, and most of them would be 6-1. This isn't a list of "greatest coaches hypothetically available," it's a list of "coaches we could probably get that would probably be an upgrade."

1. Bob Chesney - Career record of 126-51, won big at Salve Regina, Assumption, and Holy Cross, before coming to James Madison, where he is 15-5 (8-4). Seems like another Cignetti.

2. Jason Candle - Currently in his 10th year at Toledo, where he is 76-43 (48-25) with 2 conference championships and .500 or better in every season and 1 aѕѕ-kicking of an SEC school.

3. Matt Entz - 2 FCS national titles at North Dakota State with a record of 60-11 (32-7). Now the head coach at Fresno State and is 5-2 in year 1.

4. Jon Sumrall - Went 23-4 (4-2) at Troy and is now 15-6 (10-1) at Tulane. Rumored to have turned us down in late 2023, but worth a second inquiry.

5. Brent Vigen - Currently in his 5th year at Montana State, with all top 10 finishes and a 52-12 (32-3) record.

6. Brian Newberry - In his 3rd year at Navy, currently 21-10 (14-6) there. Finished 10-3 last year and is undefeated in 2025. Came up as a DC so probably not committed to being a triple option team.

7. Troy Calhoun - They've had a dropoff the last couple years, but he's been very solid over his 19 years at Air Force, with a record of 136-94 (80-62). The service academies are at a bigger recruiting disadvantage than ever in the NIL/portal era.

8. Alex Golesh - In the 3 years before he arrived at South Florida, they went 4-29. Since then, they are 19-13 (10-8) with wins over Syracuse and Flordia. THAT's how you do a turnaround. He may getting a bigger job.

9. KC Keeler - He's old for a new hire at 66, but he's 275-115 in his career, winning big at Rowan, Delaware, and Sam Houston, winning 5 D3 national titles and 2 FCS national titles. Now in his first year at Temple. Probably too old for a long-term rebuild, but it would be his chance at the biggest stage.

10. Charles Huff - 4 bowl games in 4 years at Marshall, and has instantly turned around Southern Miss in year 1 this year.

11. Jimmy Rogers - 2 seasons at South Dakota State that included an FCS national title and a semifinal, and has been surprisingly good and competitive at Washington State this year.

12. Mike Gundy - I know, I know. He's not like the rest of the names on the list. And the last 2 years were pretty bad. But you can't argue with his resume, 170-90 (102-72) at what used to be the Mississippi State of the Big 12. Only 58, so could coach for another decade. Finished ranked twice in 2020s, so it's not a long-term decline, just completely falling apart over the last 2 years.

13. Tim Polasek - Short tenure as a head coach, only in his second year. Won the FCS National Title at North Dakota State last year and is now 7-0 in year 2. Each of the last 3 NDSU coaches has moved on to the FBS ranks and continued to be good.

14. Tyson Helton - I never hear his name discussed, but he's 53-35 (37-14) at Western Kentucky and has led them to a bowl every year he's been there.

15. Ryan Silverfield - Another name people don't talk about, but 48-22 (25-18) at Memphis with a bowl every year. A bit of a red flag that his two predecessors at Memphis were both good there are failed at Power 4 jobs though.

Again, I'm NOT committed to firing Lebby yet. He deserves our support for the rest of the year. But if we do go 0-8 again, there are absolutely plausible hires out there who would have finished better than 0-8 with this exact roster.
If that's all we've got, sans Gundy & Sumrall, might as well keep what we've got. Noting there makes my heart flutter but unfortunately those are all we could get.
 

Perd Hapley

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The problem is you need continuity to recruit the portal. If we have a change we are screwed in the portal year 1.
You don’t need continuity. You just need competence. Hire a real coach when you fire the guy you need to get rid of, and it’s a non-issue.

I also love how much “continuity” helped us hang onto key pieces like Van Buren, Craver, and Coleman. There’s certainly going to be a lot more of that this year, too.
 

QuaoarsKing

All-Conference
Mar 11, 2008
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If that's all we've got, sans Gundy & Sumrall, might as well keep what we've got. Noting there makes my heart flutter but unfortunately those are all we could get.
You should add Vigen, Rogers, Keeler, and Newberry to your list of coaches to be excited about.