We Are Wearing The Snow Bowl Uniforms At The Gator Bowl........................
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Agree, but LSU has had special uniforms, of a sort, for a long time and it's become the norm for them. They wear what most consider the "away" uniforms at home, and whatever the other school has them to wear when they are visitors.
Exactly the point. Notice what those programs have that we don't? Let's start with national name recognition, money, tradition, stadium size, alumni base, national and conference titles as well as about everything else measurable than we do. Haven't you heard Greg, then Scott say since they took over that we can't do what everyone else does? We have to find what sets us apart and go with it. If we were coming off our third national title in five years I'd say we were crazy to change but we're not, so I'd say we were crazy not to change and try to find our niche. Is is uniforms? Don't know but I'm good with trying.
Oregon has arguably the best athletic facilities in the NCAA AND great coaches to go along with them. Anybody thinking their true recruiting strength is their endless supply of wacked out unis is as naive as.......well.. Nike wants them to be.
If only we had such a storied program on which to rest our laurels...Look, programs such as ours HAS to stand out and grab people's attention. I like traditions as much as anyone but this type of stuff is what we have to do. We could have just keep those ugly *** unis from the crxxm era. Would you have preferred that? I wonder if this same type of disdain occurred when they changed the name to "MSU"?
The name change was institutional. It had to do with our growth into a University. When I originally moved to Starkville, the postal name of the campus was "State College." Now it's "Mississippi State," and I don't recall minding that change for a second.
I'd just prefer we wear Maroon and White. That's every era, not just Croom. As far as the special LSU unis, I do remember seeing them. They kept their colors but had slightly varied shades, and their helmets had metallic flecks. That's what I remember, but I may have missed something.
I'd just prefer we wear Maroon and White. That's every era, not just Croom. As far as the special LSU unis, I do remember seeing them. They kept their colors but had slightly varied shades, and their helmets had metallic flecks. That's what I remember, but I may have missed something.
You are dead wrong. Look at this.
Good football teams and creative uniforms are not mutually exclusive.
UCLA
Michigan State
Michigan
Ohio State
Florida
LSU
Also, look up Oklahoma state, Georgia, and FSU for some more especially unorthodox ones.
Sometimes, Good teams take chances with uniforms. It's just an easy out to blame the uniforms when we lose.
Good football teams and creative uniforms are not mutually exclusive.
UCLA
Michigan State
Michigan
Ohio State
Florida
LSU
Also, look up Oklahoma state, Georgia, and FSU for some more especially unorthodox ones.
Sometimes, Good teams take chances with uniforms. It's just an easy out to blame the uniforms when we lose.
It may not be the single reason why they commit, but they definitely notice.
Here is a quote from Kivon Coman about the new uniforms from a BDJ interview(once posted on the old board)- They showed us the new uni's. Adidas is bringing that swag to MSU. I love them, they are great. The grey one's are sweet too.
Here is a quote from Kivon Coman about the new uniforms from a BDJ interview(once posted on the old board)- They showed us the new uni's. Adidas is bringing that swag to MSU. I love them, they are great. The grey one's are sweet too.
I don't blame the uniforms for the losses. I blame them for looking stupid. Most of these pictures show the special uniforms in the school's colors. But you're right that many teams have worn special uniforms, but most have not pushed it as far as we have. I think our colors are an important part of our identity, and I don't see the benefit in pretending that gold or black is one of our colors.
Honestly... it doesn't matter if you think they look stupid or not. You're not wearing them. Personally, I like the directions (for the most part) that we have gone with our uniforms, but just because you think they look stupid doesn't mean that's the general consensus.
Also... you and others like you make it sound like that we go from radical changes with our colors, which is not the case. The only real colors that people gripe about is gold and black. The gold is symbolic for the golden egg which is one reason we never use gold for any other uniforms. And the black isn't something just native to us either. There have been plenty of other universities that use black for an alternative look. Black is becoming an neutral alternative color that all teams could adopt if they wanted despite it not being in their original school colors to begin with.
If we started incorporating colors like purple, red, green, etc.. then 17 it... you guys might have a point... but the colors that people you guys are complaining about really isn't a departure from the university to begin with.
Also... you and others like you make it sound like that we go from radical changes with our colors, which is not the case. The only real colors that people gripe about is gold and black. The gold is symbolic for the golden egg which is one reason we never use gold for any other uniforms. And the black isn't something just native to us either. There have been plenty of other universities that use black for an alternative look. Black is becoming an neutral alternative color that all teams could adopt if they wanted despite it not being in their original school colors to begin with.
If we started incorporating colors like purple, red, green, etc.. then 17 it... you guys might have a point... but the colors that people you guys are complaining about really isn't a departure from the university to begin with.
A little gold may not have been so bad, but the huge golden numbers and the "Hail State" did not seem congruous to me. I wouldn't mind black as a secondary color, but I do not like it as dominant. You're right that many teams have done it, although it seems to be fewer this year than last. Whether it's the consensus opinion, it's still my opinion and i think it's worth expressing.
Again, you're wrong
A ton of teams nowadays use a black uniform, not just us (not that we do it anymore).
Adding gold makes perfect sense when you take into account it's for the egg bowl. We don't suddenly go out looking like Notre Dame twice a year.
Don't act like you (along with every other MSU fan on the planet) weren't drooling over the white/silver unis until we lost in them. They looked 17ing sweet. Also, our silver/grey/whatever basketball uniforms look fantastic. A slight variation of an absent hue (silver, grey, black, white) is perfectly fine, and does zero to your overall color scheme.
You'll have to explain to me what you don't like about Hail State on the jersey. It's a really cool team > individual gesture (like the lack of names some teams do, or even USC's abstract military jersey names)
A ton of teams nowadays use a black uniform, not just us (not that we do it anymore).
Adding gold makes perfect sense when you take into account it's for the egg bowl. We don't suddenly go out looking like Notre Dame twice a year.
Don't act like you (along with every other MSU fan on the planet) weren't drooling over the white/silver unis until we lost in them. They looked 17ing sweet. Also, our silver/grey/whatever basketball uniforms look fantastic. A slight variation of an absent hue (silver, grey, black, white) is perfectly fine, and does zero to your overall color scheme.
You'll have to explain to me what you don't like about Hail State on the jersey. It's a really cool team > individual gesture (like the lack of names some teams do, or even USC's abstract military jersey names)
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This statement is a perfect example of what is the problem with a lot you guys hating the uniforms and other marketing efforts. You lack a big picture perspective.
We play in the toughest conference in the country. In recent years our side of the conference has been unreal hard to win a game in. Bama, LSU, and Auburn have all won national titles and multiple for two of them. Arkansas has been ranked in the top ten. We now have TAMU putting Heisman winners on the field. It is 17ing difficult to win. If you don't win often, then it is left up to other things to fill in the gaps to create excitement around the program, to grow national attention, and to recruit.
Paying more for a DC and position coaches can only do so much when the competition has a ton of 4 and 5 star recruits, much better facilities, and some of the most respected coaches. Our coaches still have to work with less talent and less resources.
Suggesting that we try to reduce the attention being brought to our program through marketing and uniforms is narrow minded and short sighted. These are two things that are being used to help us over time increase the quality of the product on the field.
The perfect example of all of this was the #webelieve campaign. After several years of the AD using twitter, a simple tweet set off a major moment of fan spirit for our school. The department ran with it as it grew. Even though we got our asses handed to us, for an entire week it was talked about by thousands of people and a large percent were not MSU fans. Losing the game sucked *** but the attention that week for recruits and kids thinking about where to go to school was fantastic.
We are building a PROGRAM. At some point yall will realize that making that happen entails more than just - hire better coaches, recruit better players, and win more games. If that was all it took, then 17ing Harvard would be a power house by just writing a big *** check out of their endowment to start the process.
Oh, please... express... I'm just going to express why I think it's nitpicking to make something trivial bigger than what it really is. The fact that you're complaining about the numbers being gold... is just absolutely weird to me. It's the battle for the "Golden" Egg... If you're going to accent the golden aspect... why the hell would you put it in a trim? That would not be noticed, and there wouldn't be any point to that.
As far as your complaint on black... I'm a little less inclined to defend it because I don't really think black and maroon mesh that well personally, but I'm not complaining about because I understand why they do it. A lot of players like the all black look, and for, the most part (with us being the exception), I agree with them.
As far as your complaint on black... I'm a little less inclined to defend it because I don't really think black and maroon mesh that well personally, but I'm not complaining about because I understand why they do it. A lot of players like the all black look, and for, the most part (with us being the exception), I agree with them.
I generally agree with this, but some need to acknowledge that wrong marketing moves are a step backward. "Hail State" on the jersey back is a perfect example. We took our effective hashtag idea (which I wrongly criticized at the time) and made it into a negative by putting on our asses-getting-kicked uniforms in the Egg Bowl. I think there's more to good marketing than trying out new ideas. Lots of creative people can come up with ideas. It takes savvy to choose the right ones for your product.
How about some ideas for improving our less than stellar coaches shows? That might be nice.
How about some ideas for improving our less than stellar coaches shows? That might be nice.
How is Hail State on the back of a jersey a negative? Do you know of any recruits we've lost because of that? Have we been publicly ridiculed by a renowned sports pundit? Did we lose a major donation because of it? How can you confidently say it's a negative? I seriously don't understand how it's a negative.
I don't disagree that we can make mistakes. I also don't always like the things we do. But suggesting we should just pay our coaches more rather than spending $ on marketing efforts, as in the post I responded to, is forgetting the big picture. We have to have a balanced approach when looking at our situation.
Also, concerning the coaches show, do coach's shows around the country get much national attention? Or are they primarily watched by current fans only in local markets? I live out of MS. In 5 years I have never had someone mention the quality of our coach's show. I have on multiple occassions had people mention our hastags and uniforms. I am not really surprised we don't spend much money on it.
Edit to add: I can definitely see how those expenditures for the coach's show could be up for debate.
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I`ll take "hire better coaches, recruit better players, and win more games" you take attracting attention to yourself by dressing like a fool and getting your *** kicked on national TV and we`ll who comes out on top. What a joke.
So how do you propose we get a Saban-esque hire? On top of that, what's the best way for us to get recruits then? So far I can't say the formula we're doing isn't working....but ****, you got a better idea?
These are the same questions many ask when it comes to us wearing our traditional colors. How is wearing the names negative? Do you know of any recruits we've lost because of our traditional uniforms? Etc
Where will that money come from for those coaches and recruiting efforts? That's right, from the growth of our fanbase; from having a larger stadium; and from more $ being contributed. You think ALL of that happened because Mullen beat up some teams through easy scheduling and lost all of his SEC west games but one each season?
We have to get the ball rolling in the right direction first. We have that happening now. It is working. The fact you can't see it is a little surprising.
A marketing move is only a step backwards in today's world if no one talks about it or no one notices it. The fact that this thread is well on it's way to 80-100 replies(while the commitment of the next Chad Bumphis - if not better - has struggled to get 20) is just another example that the current marketing campaign has been a MONUMENTAL success...
Talking about "why you don't like it" doesn't make the effort a negative...But feel free to point me to any professional marketing evaluation criticizing our current campaign.
MSU has raised $38 and $33 million dollars in private BDC donations the past two years. Both well over double of what we had raised in any previous year in school history, and about EIGHT TIMES what Croom was raising. Please quantitatively show me how/why that ISN'T partially creditable to our tremendous marketing efforts...if you can?
Adidas pays us to wear them - We don't pay them.
We are staring down an apparel contract renegotiation in 2013 that could easily see us become an apparel free-agent - and as hinted, we could easily end up with Under Armour or possibly even back with Nike. Our current deal is not a good one, because when we negotiated it in 2008, our brand was not a very desirable one.
Our current approximate value is 100% of all sports uniforms/equipment for free + $3mil/yr in cash...along with whatever "gimmick" uniforms we want thrown in for free.
An Independence Bowl by a controversial coach against his old program which he was tremendous at...in a driving snowstorm in a location that rarely, if ever, gets snow...in a game that went to overtime and was won on a blocked field goal returned for 2 points(with a lateral on the play) and an ensuing TD - which was named one of the most memorable bowl games of the decade by ESPN...
There are only two people who say "it was just a stupid Independence Bowl" - Ole Miss fans and Texas A&M fans. Everyone else remembers that game for what it was - a crazy and memorable game in an incredible setting. Ask an LSU fan about it sometime...
couldn't be more right. I remember I was in 6th grade i believe, living in Chattanooga, TN and had at least 3-4 Tennessee fans classmates all talk to me that next day about how awesome that game was. A lot of people remember that game
I'll admit it's my perception. I just don't think uniforms are the place to display slogans. The placement where a player's name or a school name normally goes seems to me to cause confusion. I may see it differently someday; I originally thought the end zone hashtag was horrible, but I've come to realize that it was a very good move by our marketing brains.
Bottom line is that I like seeing Mississippi State teams look like Mississippi State teams. They are my teams, and I have no others.
Bottom line is that I like seeing Mississippi State teams look like Mississippi State teams. They are my teams, and I have no others.
OK you`re accusing some of us of wanting to be Saban-esque...that`s way over the top but for the sake of this conversation we`ll go with it. Who exactly are you trying to be like ? I.E. who is the success story you want us to model ourselves after. Now if you say Oregon you`ll have to explain how having the best athletic facilities, unlimited funds and great coaches were not all waaaay more intregal parts of their success than their outlandish uniforms.