We shouldn't have fired Stansbury..there I said it first

[TheStateUofMS]

Either we want: 1) To be upset and rip our hair out for under achieving with talent, but we're very competitive
-OR- 2) We're going to sign guys who play with "grit" and "toughness" and be patient while we build a program that may or may not ever get back to where it was.



As of right now. I'll take #1. Maybe I just need to be patient though, but by the way it looks right now, it's going to take years to be a decent team judging by the way he's recruiting right now (4 three stars currently committed). He doesn't seem like the type to go after blue chippers.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

You people are the worst. seriously. It's not hard to understand - It was time to replace Stansbury, but that does not mean we made the right hire. If we didn't make the right hire, that does not mean we needed to keep Stans.

 

[aTotal360]

What do you mean by "you people"?****

 

[tenureplan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-jVAHAuiS4

 

[esplanade91]

Stans II!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TheStateUofMS]

You people are the worst. seriously. It's not hard to understand - It was time to replace Stansbury, but that does not mean we made the right hire. If we didn't make the right hire, that does not mean we needed to keep Stans.

Notice how I said, "maybe I just need to be patient," as in I'm just speaking with my emotions.

 

[Shmuley]

Long. Two. Years.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

Do you honestly believe Ray will be gone after this year?

I see no way this happens.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

We were losing games like this all the time with Stans. Remember the Rider?

 

[Chesusdog]

I defended Stansbury for a very long time but it eventually became undeniable that the program was a mess of bad publicity and riddled with malcontent underachievers who would eventually transfer.

I'm not sure Ray was the right hire. Im not sure who we can get who can right the ship.
Stansbury or Ray... It's a tough call: talented but disappointing or untalented and expectedly ******.

 

[tenureplan]

No - Last season he said Long 3 Years

nm

 

[tenureplan]

I'll see your Rider

And raise you Alabama A&M

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

Stansbury or Ray... It's a tough call: talented but disappointing or untalented and expectedly ******.

So it's either thinking we should make a deep run in the tourney and falling short......... or
Knowing we have no shot at ANY tournament but getting all jazzed up because we beat Jackson State at home.

Hmmmm...... now which is more exciting?

 

[dawgstudent]

They are independent of each other. Whether or not Rick Ray was the right hire, it was time for Stansbury to go.

 

[vandaldawg]

I'll take 2.

Either we want: 1) To be upset and rip our hair out for under achieving with talent, but we're very competitive
-OR- 2) We're going to sign guys who play with "grit" and "toughness" and be patient while we build a program that may or may not ever get back to where it was.



As of right now. I'll take #1. Maybe I just need to be patient though, but by the way it looks right now, it's going to take years to be a decent team judging by the way he's recruiting right now (4 three stars currently committed). He doesn't seem like the type to go after blue chippers.

This isn't a bash to you or your post. Just been building up for a while. The Ray thing looks to be the next in a long line of things that people who know nothing about what they are talking about choose to ***** over.

1> If Cohen can't get it done in year x then his *** needs to be GONE...(cue price is right horns)

2>Git rid of Mullens! Oops. Shut that **** up.

3> Stricklins has no sack! (none of you really know whether he does or not - arguable that it took sack to hire Ray in the first place) He won't do what needs to be done! Really? Whatever. He botched the basketball hire! Really? At worst the jury is still out.

4> Ray is TERRIBLE! This team is AWFUL! (Reminds me of football season pre-Arkansas game) Maybe? Really don't know yet. Give the guy a tick, will ya? Has the internet made both our memory and our patience fricking zilch? For instance: the memory of Stan's last few teams being competitive. The root word of competitive is compete. They didn't compete for ****. Not ****. The best example I saw of one of those last teams competition was when Sidney was throwing haymakers in the stands in Hawaii. They all sucked. I'd actually put our team right now up against any one of those and they'd win. Seriously? Why? Those Stans teams were an embarassing bunch of lazy pussies. Every last one of them. Ya'll can have them. Watching those cheese dicks in the games and then the disrespect they showed to their coach after the game was an abomination. The fact of the matter is Stans was never a good coach. He was a GREAT recruiter. But the one thing he did stress at one time was defense and rebounding. When he recruited and coached and stressed D and hitting the boards, he was good. He abandoned his core principles for 6' 8" guys who played a face-up game. And lost his identity. Done.

4>Will Ray make some of you guys eat your words? Maybe, maybe not. No doubt, he gotta win on the crootin trail. But right now, the score is like Cohen + Mullen + kind of Strick a little bit 2.5, irrational posters, 0. It reminds me of the Chinese fable that Phillip Seymour Hoffman's character told Tom Hank's in Charlie Willson's war.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

State fans never seem to get that. So many people were still defending Croom in 2008 on the basis of "Jackie needed to go."

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

They are independent of each other. Whether or not Rick Ray was the right hire, it was time for Stansbury to go.

I've been on board with that, but I'm starting to waiver. Was it really time for Stansbury to go at any cost? Or was it time to upgrade our coach? Somehow Stansbury has been devolved into a mix of Joe Paterno and Bobby Petrino. A black-eye to the institution that simply had to be removed. Was that really the case?

I can get on board with the notion that it was time to "upgrade the coach". It's getting harder to stomach that we needed to change coaches even if that means we fall into 3-6 years of utter irrelevance.

 

[Roy Munson.sixpack]

The Sumbitch

Should have been on a plane with Bailey and Renardo after the Hawaii incident. He should have never coached again after that. He should have been fired the previous season. That is the worst black eye to me in a long history of black eyes for ANY MSU SPORT. It disgusts me to this day.

Whether we ever win another game or not that sumbitch should not be our coach, period.

 

[tcdog70]

So it's either thinking we should make a deep run in the tourney and falling short......... or
Knowing we have no shot at ANY tournament but getting all jazzed up because we beat Jackson State at home.

Hmmmm...... now which is more exciting?

^^^^^^^ He's Got It Right^^^^^^^^

 

[dawgstudent]

So you were on board with firing Stansbury? But now you are not. That makes zero sense in relation to your argument. Regardless of the performance of Rick Ray - you either were on board or you weren't when we fired Stansbury.

 

[tcdog70]

This isn't a bash to you or your post. Just been building up for a while. The Ray thing looks to be the next in a long line of things that people who know nothing about what they are talking about choose to ***** over.

1> If Cohen can't get it done in year x then his *** needs to be GONE...(cue price is right horns)

2>Git rid of Mullens! Oops. Shut that **** up.

3> Stricklins has no sack! (none of you really know whether he does or not - arguable that it took sack to hire Ray in the first place) He won't do what needs to be done! Really? Whatever. He botched the basketball hire! Really? At worst the jury is still out.

4> Ray is TERRIBLE! This team is AWFUL! (Reminds me of football season pre-Arkansas game) Maybe? Really don't know yet. Give the guy a tick, will ya? Has the internet made both our memory and our patience fricking zilch? For instance: the memory of Stan's last few teams being competitive. The root word of competitive is compete. They didn't compete for ****. Not ****. The best example I saw of one of those last teams competition was when Sidney was throwing haymakers in the stands in Hawaii. They all sucked. I'd actually put our team right now up against any one of those and they'd win. Seriously? Why? Those Stans teams were an embarassing bunch of lazy pussies. Every last one of them. Ya'll can have them. Watching those cheese dicks in the games and then the disrespect they showed to their coach after the game was an abomination. The fact of the matter is Stans was never a good coach. He was a GREAT recruiter. But the one thing he did stress at one time was defense and rebounding. When he recruited and coached and stressed D and hitting the boards, he was good. He abandoned his core principles for 6' 8" guys who played a face-up game. And lost his identity. Done.

4>Will Ray make some of you guys eat your words? Maybe, maybe not. No doubt, he gotta win on the crootin trail. But right now, the score is like Cohen + Mullen + kind of Strick a little bit 2.5, irrational posters, 0. It reminds me of the Chinese fable that Phillip Seymour Hoffman's character told Tom Hank's in Charlie Willson's war.

wrong on many counts.

which is it Stans Couldn't Coach or Yes He could couch When he stressed Hitting the Boards and Playing Defense(wait a minute isn't that Coaching??). He always had someone that could shoot. He always had good big men--Roberts, Austin, Moultrie and Varnado. What do they have in common? All-SEC and some All-American.

Cohen was proven. Dan had Coached on a Nat'l Champion but Ray not Dick. So forget that comparison. I could Hire Stans at any po-dunk college and in a Year He would beat the snot out of Rick Ray and our Bulldogs. if a team is smart all they have to do is throw up a half-*** zone and we are toast. Did you even listen to what IJ said about shooting 3 pointers?. If we want to be able to make 3s then someone needs to come to the GYM and practice shooting them. What? we haven't been doing that. Ray has scared the **** out of Borchert and Fred our only 3 point shooters. Please Ya'll keep talking **** about the only Coach we've ever had in any sport that for ten years beat the **** out of 90% of all SEC teams. twenty wins might look good after about 3 years of looking like **** warmed over.

 

[Dawg1976]

Agree. Stans was past his prime. Jury still out of Ray, way to early to decide.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

I'm just going to reiterate this after reading this garbage: The 17ing WORST

wrong on many counts.

which is it Stans Couldn't Coach or Yes He could couch When he stressed Hitting the Boards and Playing Defense(wait a minute isn't that Coaching??). He always had someone that could shoot. He always had good big men--Roberts, Austin, Moultrie and Varnado. What do they have in common? All-SEC and some All-American.

Cohen was proven. Dan had Coached on a Nat'l Champion but Ray not Dick. So forget that comparison. I could Hire Stans at any po-dunk college and in a Year He would beat the snot out of Rick Ray and our Bulldogs. if a team is smart all they have to do is throw up a half-*** zone and we are toast. Did you even listen to what IJ said about shooting 3 pointers?. If we want to be able to make 3s then someone needs to come to the GYM and practice shooting them. What? we haven't been doing that. Ray has scared the **** out of Borchert and Fred our only 3 point shooters. Please Ya'll keep talking **** about the only Coach we've ever had in any sport that for ten years beat the **** out of 90% of all SEC teams. twenty wins might look good after about 3 years of looking like **** warmed over.

get over it already and let's move on.

 

[vandaldawg]

wrong on many counts.

which is it Stans Couldn't Coach or Yes He could couch When he stressed Hitting the Boards and Playing Defense(wait a minute isn't that Coaching??). He always had someone that could shoot. He always had good big men--Roberts, Austin, Moultrie and Varnado. What do they have in common? All-SEC and some All-American.

Cohen was proven. Dan had Coached on a Nat'l Champion but Ray not Dick. So forget that comparison. I could Hire Stans at any po-dunk college and in a Year He would beat the snot out of Rick Ray and our Bulldogs. if a team is smart all they have to do is throw up a half-*** zone and we are toast. Did you even listen to what IJ said about shooting 3 pointers?. If we want to be able to make 3s then someone needs to come to the GYM and practice shooting them. What? we haven't been doing that. Ray has scared the **** out of Borchert and Fred our only 3 point shooters. Please Ya'll keep talking **** about the only Coach we've ever had in any sport that for ten years beat the **** out of 90% of all SEC teams. twenty wins might look good after about 3 years of looking like **** warmed over.

The comparison is a vocal minority at some point loudly bitched and wanted them gone. They were wrong on all counts. And got proved as such.

You tried to make my statement a false comparison. Yes, Stans could coach. When he stressed defense and rebounding. And he abandoned that. He was never a good in-game x's and o's coach. Never. See our beloved hockey line substitution patterns as evidence of that.

Stans might very well beat the snot out Rick Ray from any po-dunk school he was hired to. But not with that gaggle of slap-dicks he had in his last 3 years. Varnado was the talented Stans player that played like he gave a ****. And for the record, I liked Stans. My point was that he got away from the horse that brung him, and that along with Sidney and some other things ended his time as State. That's it. And aGAIN, I'm not saying Ray will prove all the doubters wrong. It's just that the doubters have a **** record right now.

 

[shannondawg]

Love that. Only objection is that you gave the post you replied to the dignity of an acknowledgment.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

I got on board with letting Stans go, but I was duped by the anti-Stans folks into thinking that anybody would be an upgrade from where we were. Now I don't think that. Ray may turn out ok, but so far I'm losing any interest at all in basketball. And that saddens me because I used to enjoy basketball season.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Last year was better than expected, given the fact that the dumpster was still fully engulfed. This year, the record so far is OK, although not pretty, but the dumpster is still smoldering. Next year, I expect that we could actually touch the dumpster and not leave our melted finger prints. Year 4 of Ray, we'll be fine. I can't recall a bigger rebuilding in sports other than the SMU death penalty in football.

I think that it's foolishness to even have an opinion of what Ray can do in year 2 of this mess. I say he has overachieved so far. As a long time basketball coach once told me, he always got plenty of love when he had good players, but he "couldn't coach" in years when his talent level was down...

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

I'll see your Alabama A&M and raise you 1999 Montana State

 

[DerHntr]

Should have been on a plane with Bailey and Renardo after the Hawaii incident. He should have never coached again after that. He should have been fired the previous season. That is the worst black eye to me in a long history of black eyes for ANY MSU SPORT. It disgusts me to this day.

Whether we ever win another game or not that sumbitch should not be our coach, period.

Can't disagree with this. The ONLY two times I have been asked about MSU basketball in 5.5 years of living multiple states away was when Renardo got in the fight and one night in his last season when the announcers were unrelenting in their comments about his weight and laziness.

Pitiful. We were completely irrelevant already folks.

 

[dawgman42]

Yeah, we should have.

Either we want: 1) To be upset and rip our hair out for under achieving with talent, but we're very competitive
-OR- 2) We're going to sign guys who play with "grit" and "toughness" and be patient while we build a program that may or may not ever get back to where it was.



As of right now. I'll take #1. Maybe I just need to be patient though, but by the way it looks right now, it's going to take years to be a decent team judging by the way he's recruiting right now (4 three stars currently committed). He doesn't seem like the type to go after blue chippers.

Just like we should have replaced Polk. Stans blew his chance and he burnt himself out. The product he put forward on AND off the court became an embarrassment.

 

[ckDOG]

Which is better?

Being pissed off at poorly coached wastes of talent or not giving a damn about a team you couldn't name more than 3 players on but you are told hustle.

That's where I'm at.

 

[DerHntr]

Being pissed off at poorly coached wastes of talent or not giving a damn about a team you couldn't name more than 3 players on but you are told hustle.

That's where I'm at.

This isn't an either or scenario. If you are not happy with Ray, then put that on the hire by the AD.

I still like the decision to get rid of Stansbury no matter what Ray does.

 

[Chesusdog]

They are independent of each other. Whether or not Rick Ray was the right hire, it was time for Stansbury to go.

That's pretty much what I was trying to say. It was time to move on.

 

[ckDOG]

Getting rid of Stans was necessary.

Not only were we not fielding competitive teams (on the scale we used to know), we were a public embarrassment. It had to be done.

I'm just in a bored limbo mode. Ray says the right things and might turn out to be a a hell of a coach. In the meantime, I can't get motivated to support the team because they are boring to watch. I'm a bad fan. Don't care...it's basketball.

 

[Drebin]

So it's either thinking we should make a deep run in the tourney and falling short......... or
Knowing we have no shot at ANY tournament but getting all jazzed up because we beat Jackson State at home.

Hmmmm...... now which is more exciting?

I'll tell you what was exciting to me:

- trying to guess which player(s) were going to transfer out of the program at the end of the year
- looking at the schedule and picking the two mid-majors we were going to lose to on our own home floor
- playing "guess the seed" for our upcoming NIT berth
- playing the Stans drinking game: "take a drink everytime we shoot with 2 on the shot clock"
- watching our players getting valuable national press on ESPN for fighting in the stands

The Stansbury era: Good times.

 

[prairiedawg]

They are independent of each other. Whether or not Rick Ray was the right hire, it was time for Stansbury to go.

This argument is downright irritating to me. Why are they independent of each other? The timing of when Stans was let go is exactly why we ended up with a little known assistant. In my mind given the purge of players that was going to have to go on, we had no choice but to hold on to Rick for another year and let him bring the class in he had committed. Then, you let him slide out and bring in somebody who sees he has some talent and you don't slip to complete irrelevance exactly like we have. It was obvious to me then, it has proven right since.

 

[DocHolliday.sixpack]

Exactly. He lost the team. Team made the rules= loss of authority

Skipping practice. Horrible nutrition. As the CEO of the team, this is unacceptable. If you compare this to the business world, he HAD to be fired. No respect equates to an undisciplined mutiny waiting to happen. We got bad bad close to that happening. It was the only option to fire him.

 

[Original48]

I haven't been paying attention..who snatched up Stansbury? Where is he coaching?

 

[Rayburn8]

Patience this guy was thrown in the worst situation in SEC history

First off Stan's couldn't coach an example is an SEC tourney game and we lost as I walked away from that game thinking "can this guy not call a decent inbounds play" I mean really he has always been an aweful coach. Granted great recruiter but he basically recruited thugs he was te Houston Nutt of basketball recruited thugs that got kicked out. Second Rick ray was thrown in the worst situation in the history of SEC basketball our team has SIX I repeat SIX scholarship players healthy at one point te fact he got ten wins outta of a high school team and got a SEC tourney win is a testament to that he can coach. Third about recruiting the state he got the third and fourth Best players in the state this year. Granted I would of liked it of we could of gotten Devon brooker. Now he puts these showings up next year then we can start talking firing him but right now we need to be patient.

 

[MagnificentBastard]

Huh? Winning one SEC tourney game proves you are a better coach than the guy that won multiple tournament championships?