West Virginia Mayor: The Clintons Are ‘Simply Not Welcome In Our Town’

[WVU82_rivals]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/01/w...ons-are-simply-not-welcome-in-our-town-video/

Bill Clinton was heckled and booed on Sunday during a campaign event in Logan, West Virginia, where the town’s mayor recently informed Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin that the former first couple are “simply not welcome” because of their “anti-coal messages.”

“I wanted to come here and tell you that I care about what you’re going through. I get it and I think that we can do something about it, that’s the most important thing,” Clinton said at the event, where he was joined by Manchin and Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin, a native of the coal town of about 1,800.

But Clinton’s visit was fraught with tension.

Earlier this week, Logan Mayor Serafino Nolletti sent a letter to a staffer in Manchin’s office saying that he opposed the Clintons visiting the town. The Clinton campaign had asked the Logan fire department for permission to use its facilities to host the former president.

“Bill and Hillary Clinton are simply not welcome in our town,” Nolletti wrote in a letter, according to WOWK.

“Mrs. Clinton’s anti-coal messages are the last thing our suffering town needs at this point,” Nolletti wrote. “The policies that have been championed by people like Mrs. Clinton have all but devastated our fair town, and honestly, enough is enough.”

“We wish them the best in their campaign, however we again state they are not welcome on our city properties,” the letter continues. “We hope that you will respectfully consider NOT visiting our community.”

Hillary Clinton has angered many in coal country because of her general opposition to mining the rock and because of her promise in 2014 to “put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business.”

Bill Clinton sought to address those concerns on Sunday, pointing to his wife’s proposals to provide job training and other assistance to displaced coal workers.

But those assurances failed to convince some attendees as a group of attendees began yelling in protest after Clinton pledged to help the depressed region.

The former president responded dismissively.

“This is where they start screaming because they don’t want to hear this,” he said as the protesters were led from the venue.

“The difference between us and them is that we listen to them,” he added.

West Virginia’s primary will be held May 10. Nolletti did not immediately respond to The Daily Caller’s request for comment.

 

[Airport]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/01/w...ons-are-simply-not-welcome-in-our-town-video/

Bill Clinton was heckled and booed on Sunday during a campaign event in Logan, West Virginia, where the town’s mayor recently informed Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin that the former first couple are “simply not welcome” because of their “anti-coal messages.”

“I wanted to come here and tell you that I care about what you’re going through. I get it and I think that we can do something about it, that’s the most important thing,” Clinton said at the event, where he was joined by Manchin and Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin, a native of the coal town of about 1,800.

But Clinton’s visit was fraught with tension.

Earlier this week, Logan Mayor Serafino Nolletti sent a letter to a staffer in Manchin’s office saying that he opposed the Clintons visiting the town. The Clinton campaign had asked the Logan fire department for permission to use its facilities to host the former president.

“Bill and Hillary Clinton are simply not welcome in our town,” Nolletti wrote in a letter, according to WOWK.

“Mrs. Clinton’s anti-coal messages are the last thing our suffering town needs at this point,” Nolletti wrote. “The policies that have been championed by people like Mrs. Clinton have all but devastated our fair town, and honestly, enough is enough.”

“We wish them the best in their campaign, however we again state they are not welcome on our city properties,” the letter continues. “We hope that you will respectfully consider NOT visiting our community.”

Hillary Clinton has angered many in coal country because of her general opposition to mining the rock and because of her promise in 2014 to “put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business.”

Bill Clinton sought to address those concerns on Sunday, pointing to his wife’s proposals to provide job training and other assistance to displaced coal workers.

But those assurances failed to convince some attendees as a group of attendees began yelling in protest after Clinton pledged to help the depressed region.

The former president responded dismissively.

“This is where they start screaming because they don’t want to hear this,” he said as the protesters were led from the venue.

“The difference between us and them is that we listen to them,” he added.

West Virginia’s primary will be held May 10. Nolletti did not immediately respond to The Daily Caller’s request for comment.

Manchin should go Independent and caucus with the Republicans like Sanders does with the Democrats. The Repubs think more like him than most of the dems do anymore. He could get on some good committees, if the Repubs hold onto the senate.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/01/w...ons-are-simply-not-welcome-in-our-town-video/

Bill Clinton was heckled and booed on Sunday during a campaign event in Logan, West Virginia, where the town’s mayor recently informed Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin that the former first couple are “simply not welcome” because of their “anti-coal messages.”

“I wanted to come here and tell you that I care about what you’re going through. I get it and I think that we can do something about it, that’s the most important thing,” Clinton said at the event, where he was joined by Manchin and Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin, a native of the coal town of about 1,800.

But Clinton’s visit was fraught with tension.

Earlier this week, Logan Mayor Serafino Nolletti sent a letter to a staffer in Manchin’s office saying that he opposed the Clintons visiting the town. The Clinton campaign had asked the Logan fire department for permission to use its facilities to host the former president.

“Bill and Hillary Clinton are simply not welcome in our town,” Nolletti wrote in a letter, according to WOWK.

“Mrs. Clinton’s anti-coal messages are the last thing our suffering town needs at this point,” Nolletti wrote. “The policies that have been championed by people like Mrs. Clinton have all but devastated our fair town, and honestly, enough is enough.”

“We wish them the best in their campaign, however we again state they are not welcome on our city properties,” the letter continues. “We hope that you will respectfully consider NOT visiting our community.”

Hillary Clinton has angered many in coal country because of her general opposition to mining the rock and because of her promise in 2014 to “put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business.”

Bill Clinton sought to address those concerns on Sunday, pointing to his wife’s proposals to provide job training and other assistance to displaced coal workers.

But those assurances failed to convince some attendees as a group of attendees began yelling in protest after Clinton pledged to help the depressed region.

The former president responded dismissively.

“This is where they start screaming because they don’t want to hear this,” he said as the protesters were led from the venue.

“The difference between us and them is that we listen to them,” he added.

West Virginia’s primary will be held May 10. Nolletti did not immediately respond to The Daily Caller’s request for comment.

That should help that community going forward. Great leadership.

 

[Airport]

That should help that community going forward. Great leadership.

Job training for what? There is no reason for the govt to be putting anybody out of a job. The people should chose what form of energy they want to use, not some elected official in DC thinking they know what's best.

 

[Keyser76]

The people choose the cheapest, always.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Job training for what? There is no reason for the govt to be putting anybody out of a job. The people should chose what form of energy they want to use, not some elected official in DC thinking they know what's best.

Supply and demand have put people out of their jobs.

 

[ThatNehlenFeelin]

The national Democratic Party has become too far left for most West Virginians.

 

[Airport]

Supply and demand have put people out of their jobs.

Actually, the democratic liberal party with the fake climate change agenda has put coal business into a head lock. The increased supply of natural gas has hurt but, govt created an artificial fence to using coal. What I can't understand is why Ohio would vote for Obama when 97% of their energy came from cheap coal.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Actually, the democratic liberal party with the fake climate change agenda has put coal business into a head lock. The increased supply of natural gas has hurt but, govt created an artificial fence to using coal. What I can't understand is why Ohio would vote for Obama when 97% of their energy came from cheap coal.

The free market killed/is killing coal. I think it's incredibly stupid to now completely shut out debate about the future.

 

[op2]

What I don't get is that WV depends so heavily on coal for so long and yet it's still 49th or whatever in per capita income and people seemed to be okay with that If WV was a booming state because of coal then the upset over the demise of coal would be understandable. Why are people so po'ed at forces external to WV causing the demise of coal instead of po'ed at forces inside of WV that keep WV at the bottom for decades on end even when the coal industry was strong?

 

[mneilmont]

The free market killed/is killing coal. I think it's incredibly stupid to now completely shut out debate about the future.

What is the debate about? Do you trade the promise of billions more in welfare for an economy that has rewarded the people of the community for generations.

There is no free market choice when the government has their finger on the scales with agencies directed to close the industry. Clean water? Air? Least healthy area that govt is trying to impact? Heaviest weight, smoking, drinking, while doing the least to enjoy healthy lifestyle? Send billions to retrain for an alternate industry? They actually have coal as a natural resource to provide an industry for the next 100 years. But you want to retrain for a job in what industry that is going to have an advantage by locating in the coal fields?

 

[Airport]

The free market killed/is killing coal. I think it's incredibly stupid to now completely shut out debate about the future.

There is no free market when the govt gets involved like it has. Liberals think they are smarter than they really are. You use your resourses up and then move to something else. That's what the free market is all about, not the govt saying what you can drive or how far you can drive it.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

There is no free market when the govt gets involved like it has. Liberals think they are smarter than they really are. You use your resourses up and then move to something else. That's what the free market is all about, not the govt saying what you can drive or how far you can drive it.

The free market is at work. Natural gas is killing coal. It's ridiculous for an entire region to stick their heads in the sand and refuse to even hear plans to revitalize the area.

 

[op2]

The free market is at work. Natural gas is killing coal. It's ridiculous for an entire region to stick their heads in the sand and refuse to even hear plans to revitalize the area.

With "revitalize" being a bit of a misnomer since it was never vitalized in the first place. Coal aside I get the impression that WV is resistant to change.

 

[mneilmont]

What I don't get is that WV depends so heavily on coal for so long and yet it's still 49th or whatever in per capita income and people seemed to be okay with that If WV was a booming state because of coal then the upset over the demise of coal would be understandable. Why are people so po'ed at forces external to WV causing the demise of coal instead of po'ed at forces inside of WV that keep WV at the bottom for decades on end even when the coal industry was strong?

What I don't get is why you would make such an irrational statement. Those relying on the coal industry for a living is a small fraction of the residents of the state. What is reason that you attempt to conflate the two? Do you see a relationship between a shrinking coal industry and an inability to generate alternate industries.

The only valid comparative is what is the per capita between coal related employment and other industry related per capita. Are welfare recipients included in the state per capita? Don't you think it would be more meaningful to see how the state compares in those sources of incomes vs other states?

Make reasonable comparisons and I think coal is going to be rather attractive when making a comparative between industries. How about coal v. oil? or coal v. mfg, or coal v. government? I no longer own so much as a screw in the coal industry, but some statements need to be questioned when they get too far out of reasonableness.

 

[mneilmont]

With "revitalize" being a bit of a misnomer since it was never vitalized in the first place. Coal aside I get the impression that WV is resistant to change.

Do you have one instance to refer to that coal objected to another industry being established. Even gas has a lot of coal money invested in it. Do you have any evidence that coal has attempted to blackball another industry from entry?

 

[WVUCOOPER]

With "revitalize" being a bit of a misnomer since it was never vitalized in the first place. Coal aside I get the impression that WV is resistant to change.

Parts of WV. Certainly not all. Southern WV used to be vitalized, or at least livable.

 

[bornaneer]

Job training for what? There is no reason for the govt to be putting anybody out of a job. The people should chose what form of energy they want to use, not some elected official in DC thinking they know what's best.

Yes.....job training for non-existent jobs. How ***** stupid can some people be. I just heard the idiot Goodwin, who is running for Gov, say that businesses don't create jobs.

 

[Airport]

The free market is at work. Natural gas is killing coal. It's ridiculous for an entire region to stick their heads in the sand and refuse to even hear plans to revitalize the area.

I'm not against that, just the govt arbitrarily saying off with coals head by making it too difficult to utilize.

 

[mneilmont]

Parts of WV. Certainly not all. Southern WV used to be vitalized, or at least livable.

Looking at testing results for WV schools a couple days ago and noticed Gilbert Elementary student count dropped from 500+ to 300+(over 200 students) in one school year. That could suggest that over 40% of young couples with children were displaced. People, that brings tears to my eyes remembering what we went through in the 50's. Hopefully they were smart enough to build a little nest egg for children's education or whatever. They will need it to relocate and find employment that is probably going to pay half of what they were making in Gilbert. My generation escaped to Ohio and Mich. The rust belt is not an alternative today. Will probably take away the Sunday dinner at grandma's. Damn, I hate it for them.

 

[op2]

What I don't get is why you would make such an irrational statement. Those relying on the coal industry for a living is a small fraction of the residents of the state. What is reason that you attempt to conflate the two? Do you see a relationship between a shrinking coal industry and an inability to generate alternate industries.

The only valid comparative is what is the per capita between coal related employment and other industry related per capita. Are welfare recipients included in the state per capita? Don't you think it would be more meaningful to see how the state compares in those sources of incomes vs other states?

Make reasonable comparisons and I think coal is going to be rather attractive when making a comparative between industries. How about coal v. oil? or coal v. mfg, or coal v. government? I no longer own so much as a screw in the coal industry, but some statements need to be questioned when they get too far out of reasonableness.

If coal is such a small percentage then why are so many people so pissed off? If they're so small then what does it matter if the Feds put them out of business (be beginning to make them pay for their pollution, after getting away with shoving their pollution costs onto everybody else for decades)?

We can discuss the reasons but the bottom line is that over the past decades WV has gone downhill...crappy economy, lots of people on disability, one of the most obese states, young people leaving, yadda, yadda. And it seems to me that attempts to address things and make things better results in people getting all pissed off at these newfangled changes that are taking away our traditions, yadda, yadda. Change happens and I think WV is getting left behind.

 

[moe]

There is no free market when the govt gets involved like it has. Liberals think they are smarter than they really are. You use your resourses up and then move to something else. That's what the free market is all about, not the govt saying what you can drive or how far you can drive it.

If everyone thought like you think, there would be no environmental laws and all humans (and much of nature) would be at great risk from polluted air, water and soil while we're busy burning up the cheapest fossils fuels available. Sometimes government has to step in to help us do what is best for ourselves right now and for future generations.

 

[bornaneer]

We can discuss the reasons but the bottom line is that over the past decades WV has gone downhill...crappy economy, lots of people on disability, one of the most obese states, young people leaving, yadda, yadda. Change happens and I think WV is getting left behind.

You are totally correct about the bottom line. That is what years of State Democrat leadership has done for this state.

 

[moe]

Job training for what?

Training people in jobs that could take the place of those lost in the coal industry downturn so that they don't have to leave the state or drop out of the workforce.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

You are totally correct about the bottom line. That is what years of State Democrat leadership has done for this state.

OK fine. It was because of years of Democrats rule. The GOP is in control now in WV. Let's get **** done. Completely shutting down any talk of other industries seems a poor choice.

 

[bornaneer]

Training people in jobs that could take the place of those lost in the coal industry downturn so that they don't have to leave the state or drop out of the workforce.

Lets try again.......what jobs? How many greeter jobs at Walmart are available and how much training is needed for that position?

 

[bornaneer]

OK fine. It was because of years of Democrats rule. The GOP is in control now in WV. Let's get **** done. Completely shutting down any talk of other industries seems a poor choice.

From what I have seen, I really don't have much faith in the GOP bunch currently in power. I am willing to give them a couple more years.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Lets try again.......what jobs? How many greeter jobs at Walmart are available and how much training is needed for that position?

I'm not sure what jobs. Maybe it would be a good idea to listen to what politicians are offering instead of lashing out on them and refusing to listen. Coal jobs aren't coming back to save us.

 

[op2]

By the way, the coming of less polluting energy and the slow decline of coal isn't something out of the blue or that couldn't be foreseen. Why is it that there wasn't more prep for this? Did people in WV think that putting their hands over their ears and yelling "BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH" would stop the change from coming?

Coal isn't going away anytime soon but also it's never coming back to how it was and it will continue a slow decline. We now have better ways to access to oodles of gas beneath the ground, which makes it cheaper and less polluting than coal. The "green" energies of solar, etc, aren't cost effective for wide scale use but OTOH the technology is going to get nothing but better on them as time passes.

The writing is on the wall. We KNOW that things aren't going back to how they used to be (which isn't really a bad thing in the big picture because it means energy is becoming cheaper and less polluting). So how about acknowledging that reality and dealing with it?

 

[bornaneer]

I'm not sure what jobs. Maybe it would be a good idea to listen to what politicians are offering instead of lashing out on them and refusing to listen. Coal jobs aren't coming back to save us.

The only candidate that I have lashed out at is the dumbass that said businesses don't create jobs. I also have listened to what Jim Justice has said about making WV a destination for tourism and developing the proper business climate for our state.

 

[mneilmont]

If coal is such a small percentage then why are so many people so pissed off? If they're so small then what does it matter if the Feds put them out of business (be beginning to make them pay for their pollution, after getting away with shoving their pollution costs onto everybody else for decades)?

We can discuss the reasons but the bottom line is that over the past decades WV has gone downhill...crappy economy, lots of people on disability, one of the most obese states, young people leaving, yadda, yadda. And it seems to me that attempts to address things and make things better results in people getting all pissed off at these newfangled changes that are taking away our traditions, yadda, yadda. Change happens and I think WV is getting left behind.

It is a small percentage statewide. There are other industries outside the coal fields, but for the Southern coalfields, that is near 100 % of employment excluding government. Nothing pays more than THIRD of coal wages. It should be fairly obvious why the people who have relied on coal would like to keep it as a viable industry. In 75 years, I have not heard of anyone who wants to close coal to seek employment in another industry.

When you lose part of your most lucrative industry and nothing replaces it, it would be very understandable that WV economy goes down hill. Increase in people on disability, goes hand in hand with jobs lost. When they see the probability of losing their job, there are some who will fake injury to maintain a source of income. There are some insurance companies who write policies to protect against loss of house and vehicles. Company has to anticipate a terminal injury when they see an employee buy a new trailer, car and truck. It pisses management off when they see all the signs, but it is hard to question their reasoning. A new set up for life and a back injury to pay welfare the rest of life. I am unaware of refusal to adapt to new fangled stuff you refer to. I have never witnessed it anywhere in coal region in past 40 years. When a miner loses job and no other opportunities for replacement in area, it should be natural to expect movement from the area. Look at McDowell County. They lost coal industry and failed to move to other areas for employment. All those who refused to move are on welfare.

As you can readily see, I totally disagree with your position. When an industry is shut down, it is time to move on. It is highly unlikely that anyone is going to bring you an alternative industry.

 

[moe]

Lets try again.......what jobs? How many greeter jobs at Walmart are available and how much training is needed for that position?

Thanks for the softball. Jobs in healthcare, there are openings in health care every Sunday in the Gazette. Many surface mine workers ran pieces of equipment but they may need some specialized training for those skills to transfer over to non-mining work. Of course there are various union types of trade skills that they could be trained at or enter apprenticeships. There's still construction going on in this state. Heck, some might even learn to write computer code (see link). I sure hope that our legislators (or Fed agencies wanting to help) aren't as empty of ideas as yourself. I'm sure there are a whole lot of things that I'm not mentioning.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ding-appalachian-miners-getting-a-fresh-start

 

[WVUCOOPER]

The only candidate that I have lashed out at is the dumbass that said businesses don't create jobs. I also have listened to what Jim Justice has said about making WV a destination for tourism and developing the proper business climate for our state.

True dat. I wasn't specifically calling you out, more so the group think in Southern WV coal fields.

I actually like much of JJ's platform or what not. I do worry about his ability to get it done politically though.

 

[bornaneer]

Thanks for the softball. Jobs in healthcare, there are openings in health care every Sunday in the Gazette. Many surface mine workers ran pieces of equipment but they may need some specialized training for those skills to transfer over to non-mining work. Of course there are various union types of trade skills that they could be trained at or enter apprenticeships. There's still construction going on in this state. Heck, some might even learn to write computer code (see link). I sure hope that our legislators (or Fed agencies wanting to help) aren't as empty of ideas as yourself. I'm sure there are a whole lot of things that I'm not mentioning.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ding-appalachian-miners-getting-a-fresh-start

Thanks.....Just about EVERY job category you mentioned is already in place in our state and positions are filled in those businesses. We need NEW businesses in our state and MORE of those you mentioned. It looks like our legislators have let us down in attracting businesses to our state.

 

[bornaneer]

True dat. I wasn't specifically calling you out, more so the group think in Southern WV coal fields.

I actually like much of JJ's platform or what not. I do worry about his ability to get it done politically though.

Its all good. It may take a non political type like Justice to move us forward. I think he would have the support of rank and file WVians if his ideas were stymied by business as usual politicians.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Thanks.....Just about EVERY job category you mentioned is already in place in our state and positions are filled in those businesses. We need NEW businesses in out state and MORE of those you mentioned. It looks like our legislators have let us down in attracting businesses to our state.

Don't we also need an investment in education and workforce to invite new business. Hard to sell anything with city leaders refusing to even meet with anyone that thinks different from them.

 

[moe]

Thanks.....Just about EVERY job category you mentioned is already in place in our state and positions are filled in those businesses. We need NEW businesses in out state and MORE of those you mentioned. It looks like our legislators have let us down in attracting businesses to our state.

Doomed!! smh You probably figure that they're too lazy to retrain anyways. Fortunately you're not in charge of job retraining/placement for unemployed miners.

 

[bornaneer]

Doomed!! smh You probably figure that they're too lazy to retrain anyways. Fortunately you're not in charge of job retraining/placement for unemployed miners.

Again......never said ANYONE was too lazy. I'm all for retraining.....but we need the business commitments so we have jobs for those being trained.

 

[Airport]

If everyone thought like you think, there would be no environmental laws and all humans (and much of nature) would be at great risk from polluted air, water and soil while we're busy burning up the cheapest fossils fuels available. Sometimes government has to step in to help us do what is best for ourselves right now and for future generations.

You do not know what I think just because I said govt has no place in picking winners and losers. I think business should be responsible and not dump toxic chemicals into our water or into the ground. I think that coal burning electrical plants should strive to scrub the smoke to eliminate toxins. I do not believe the govt should ever say, we are going tomake it too expensive for you to build a coal plant. That would be like conservatives getting into power and saying that we are going to make it too expensive for liberals to drive their prius by charging you twice as much in taxes and increasing the cost of the Prius by double for being so stupid as to by a coffin to drive on the open road.[winking]

 

[bornaneer]

Don't we also need an investment in education and workforce to invite new business. Hard to sell anything with city leaders refusing to even meet with anyone that thinks different from them.

Yes we always need to make education the highest priority. The problem with education in WV is that it has been politicized and become administration top heavy. While WV ranks last in almost all measures of quality of life, dollars per student is not one of them.