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slick rick.ksr

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I have a relative high up in the UL administration. Ramsey's compensation, theft of funds by university officials, Pitino and Petrino.....the list of embarrassments have made him very unhappy.
 

DelkBowl

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If it happened then Pitino should be fired. If he isn't I will no longer support the program. That being said I am letting it play out. UK fans are always going to assume the worst because truthfully...a lot of you want this to be true. It would be awesome to see some of you actually admit this because that would take sheer honesty, but I doubt many (if anyone) will. On Ramsey and Rutherford the author admitted that some of the texts were made up. That alone, without several other inconsistencies, lends me to take a wait and see approach. The Chris Jones situation was the same thing...guilty until proven innocent.

There's history to go on in the moral department ul seems to avoid like the plague. And he didn't say they were made up genius, he said recreated. You know like they existed before and they remade them. Big difference. I'm not up on the jones case but just because something is dropped doesn't mean innocence.
 
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Kycatspaws

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Federal Cat

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Onions have many layers just like Slicks story, hard working escorts, he would know[roll][winking][laughing][jumpingsmile]
 
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Ok . . . maybe we were saying the same thing but we do not share the same "views." Stepping personally aside for just a moment, I think would could both agree than any number of notable 19th century social indictments would illustrate that it is man's morals that shaped society and not the other way 'round. Man did not rely on society's instructions that murder and theft were wrong in order for him to have it in his heart of hearts (moral code) that those things are, in fact, immoral. The latter preceded the former. I think you need to rethink what you're wanting to say.

I think theres an interchange and one feed the other. We just disagree. Nothing wrong with that.
 

irishcat1965

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If it happened then Pitino should be fired. If he isn't I will no longer support the program. That being said I am letting it play out. UK fans are always going to assume the worst because truthfully...a lot of you want this to be true. It would be awesome to see some of you actually admit this because that would take sheer honesty, but I doubt many (if anyone) will. On Ramsey and Rutherford the author admitted that some of the texts were made up. That alone, without several other inconsistencies, lends me to take a wait and see approach. The Chris Jones situation was the same thing...guilty until proven innocent.
It was never said they were made up. You tard fans are so desperate to hear what you want to hear that reality is twisted.
 

CardfbFanatic06

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There's history to go on in the moral department ul seems to avoid like the plague. And he didn't say they were made up genius, he said recreated. You know like they existed before and they remade them. Big difference. I'm not up on the jones case but just because something is dropped doesn't mean innocence.

Recreated = made up. Otherwise they would have the texts and would not have to 'recreate' them. So 'genius' as you say, try selling that in court. And to your last sentence, just because someone is accused of something does not mean they are guilty. Just admit you are licking your chops hoping it is true.

I'm open to the idea that something went on with McGee and Powell. There is a grain of truth within everything. I'm not open to the idea that this story is 100% true when some of it has already been proven false. How much is true is yet to be seen. If any money was exchanged or if minors were offered then wipe the staff clean and give up the title. Sports fandom isn't something I use to mask insecurities. I watch it for entertainment. If the university supported some of these allegations then I'll just quit supporting them.
 
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*Bleedingblue*

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I don't see how a player could get into trouble if he went to another school and repaid what benefits he recieved by what UL paid the strippers to do their back flips.
 

CardfbFanatic06

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It was never said they were made up. You tard fans are so desperate to hear what you want to hear that reality is twisted.

For demonstration purposes, let's say you cheated on your wife according to me. I say my evidence is texts messages some woman claims to have between you and her. All of a sudden she says her phone was wiped clean due to a phone virus (never heard of such) so I had her recreate the texts. Does that mean you cheated on your wife? Would anyone believe that from such a story now that biased fandom is taken out of it?

Also recreate = create = make up.
 

jr40831

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If Satan coached UofL and won, half the Card faithful would get a pentagram tattooed on their bellies..
 
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irishcat1965

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For demonstration purposes, let's say you cheated on your wife according to me. I say my evidence is texts messages some woman claims to have between you and her. All of a sudden she says her phone was wiped clean due to a phone virus (never heard of such) so I had her recreate the texts. Does that mean you cheated on your wife? Would anyone believe that from such a story now that biased fandom is taken out of it?

Also recreate = create = make up.
What you fail to see is it doesn't mean one didn't cheat on one's spouse. It also doesn't mean the texts weren't originally sent. You completely ignore the texts and calls that have been forensically proven. You choose to hang your hat on a red herring while the mountain of evidence against you is overwhelming. It is telling Pitino, Jurich etc are not denying any of this happened. What UL fans fail to understand is it doesn't take video evidence of sex to find violations here. Once again, saying "this isn't true" means nothing.
 

ukcatsfan1

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I'd like to know if Karen Sypher knows these prostitutes on a personal level

All it would take would be one phone call from her penthouse suite....
 
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I wonder what Lyle told them because the Ohio State guy said they were told and are pretty confident that Lyle has nothing to worry about. which makes me feel a deal was struck

Very possible. But my money is still on Blakeny being the one who gives the info. Maybe they both will. Those are the two players with the most to lose, since they have remaining eligibility.
 

MethodUK

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For demonstration purposes, let's say you cheated on your wife according to me. I say my evidence is texts messages some woman claims to have between you and her. All of a sudden she says her phone was wiped clean due to a phone virus (never heard of such) so I had her recreate the texts. Does that mean you cheated on your wife? Would anyone believe that from such a story now that biased fandom is taken out of it?

Also recreate = create = make up.

I liked what you were laying down in the first 2 sentences. But if she did have pictures of me with a known prostitute with her hand on my rod, 4 years of other texts that she has, phone records, and also let my dad hit it then I'm in trouble.

As a UL fan I don't blame most to wait and see what happens. It's hard to stand still and not defend your school in any situation. With that said if most UL fans admitted this is a problem and are tired of the past scandals regardless if this turns out true or not I wouldn't be so giddy to see a negative outcome.
 
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*Bleedingblue*

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When I see the pic of that stripper putting her hand on Bohannon's junk I think of this song everytime that come out 25 yrs ago.
Warning it's a R rated song and kids should not listen to it. If the mods think it should be removed then remove it.

 

MethodUK

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Very possible. But my money is still on Blakeny being the one who gives the info. Maybe they both will. Those are the two players with the most to lose, since they have remaining eligibility.
Can't they both lie about the situation, play 1 year of college, and then off to the Pros with no ramifications if it comes out later they were lying?

I guess the schools might face punishment on down the road.
 

LadyCaytIL

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I don't see blakeney coming forward now after he already told the NCAA over a week ago that he denied it.
 
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I would think that recruits at the time may be able to get some sort of immunity because they likely did not know they were receiving impermissable benefits, or that the girls were even paid for. I mean, can you really expect a 17 year old who is trusting the adults hosting him to be accountable for allowing a girl to " do their thing" I mean, i doubt mcgee said: hey boys, come screw these prostitutes, they're paid for. The kids prob just assumed what we all know, college atheletes get girls.
 

CardfbFanatic06

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OK what about your take on the others Scandals? If the team I would've been fired in 09 do you think this would've happened

If the team would have been fired in 09? What team? And what other scandal? The Sypher thing is the only one that comes in mind and it had nothing to do with basketball. That is his personal life. Would you guys not hire Calipari because he slept with a married woman? (Whom he is now married to). I don't agree with either practice but it's not a work issue. If the allegations now are proven true then yes I will remove my support for the program unless major changes are made.

To the poster who said there is a 'mountain of evidence' I'm not sure what you are seeing. The texts have yet to be proven as ever occurring, only that they were re-created. One pic of her grabbing Chane's junk isn't enough either to back all those allegations. Is that pic really the only thing this smart phone generation could prove? Again I'm not claiming the truth won't come out and that it could be bad, but nothing that has come out yet publicly has shown much anything
 

Dr. H Lecter

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For demonstration purposes, let's say you cheated on your wife according to me. I say my evidence is texts messages some woman claims to have between you and her. All of a sudden she says her phone was wiped clean due to a phone virus (never heard of such) so I had her recreate the texts. Does that mean you cheated on your wife? Would anyone believe that from such a story now that biased fandom is taken out of it?

Also recreate = create = make up.

I am going to make a leap of faith and credit you for not being stupid or at least being capable of understanding English...I assume English is your first language, if not forgive me.

To "make up" implies to lie in order to deceive.

To recreate means to reproduce a copy of the original. Maybe I am telling you something you didnt know but when you watch a movie where they say this is a recreation of the assassination of Lincoln....they didnt have actual video cameras filming it. Its actors recreating the FACTS...not making up their own facts.

It is clear to all readers that they were recreations of the original texts...and not represented as the actual texts themselves.
 

LadyCaytIL

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Was the author himself... Cady on the radio show? Or is this just Ramsey saying he heard the author had said that?

To recreate means to make a copy of an original... not to make up something. Learn the english language please.

By the way, when was this virus that wiped her records? Was it this past month after UL discovered the news or was this well before UL found out?
 

Dr. H Lecter

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/source...prostitution-allegations-214949666-ncaab.html

This was Powell’s journal entry relating to a show allegedly done for Lyle:

“Been a long time since we’ve been up to U of L to do a show. McGee texted me like, what’s up? He wanted me to bring three girls up there for a new recruit named JaQuan Lyle, he and his friend. I took (escorts) Rod-Ni, TooTall, Jazmine and Shay, who calls herself Sammi. TooTall made $100, Shay made $100, and Jazzy made nothing because she did absolutely nothing."

On Monday, June 10, 2013, Powell allegedly texted McGee: “Hey Andre what was the name of the recruit the tall chic was with Saturday.” McGee allegedly responded: “jaquan lyles (sic) ... some other dudes is looking for tall chick.” The book says that was part of a 22-text exchange between Powell and McGee pertaining to Lyle’s visit.

On June 26, 2013, Lyle verbally committed to Louisville. By September he had de-committed. In June 2014, Lyle was included on the published roster at Oregon, but by September he was dropped from the roster and not enrolled at the school. He eventually committed to Ohio State on June 30, 2015.

Obviously the NCAA is taking this seriously. Wow.....
 
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CardfbFanatic06

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I am going to make a leap of faith and credit you for not being stupid or at least being capable of understanding English...I assume English is your first language, if not forgive me.

To "make up" implies to lie in order to deceive.

To recreate means to reproduce a copy of the original. Maybe I am telling you something you didnt know but when you watch a movie where they say this is a recreation of the assassination of Lincoln....they didnt have actual video cameras filming it. Its actors recreating the FACTS...not making up their own facts.

It is clear to all readers that they were recreations of the original texts...and not represented as the actual texts themselves.

That's great, but you don't recreate evidence in court. You either have the original evidence or you do not. Thanks for your leap of faith. Hopefully you have a soft landing.
 

DelkBowl

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Recreated = made up. Otherwise they would have the texts and would not have to 'recreate' them. So 'genius' as you say, try selling that in court. And to your last sentence, just because someone is accused of something does not mean they are guilty. Just admit you are licking your chops hoping it is true.

I'm open to the idea that something went on with McGee and Powell. There is a grain of truth within everything. I'm not open to the idea that this story is 100% true when some of it has already been proven false. How much is true is yet to be seen. If any money was exchanged or if minors were offered then wipe the staff clean and give up the title. Sports fandom isn't something I use to mask insecurities. I watch it for entertainment. If the university supported some of these allegations then I'll just quit supporting them.

Recreated does not mean made up. It means remade as in it was already made once. Hell yes I hope it's all true. I'd put money down something comes out of it. I also believe the sex squad does everything in their power to cover up and hide everything they can. The only thing I can't wait to see is if you truly quit supporting them. You have been through enough depravity and still follow so color me skeptical.
 
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LadyCaytIL

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That's great, but you don't recreate evidence in court. You either have the original evidence or you do not. Thanks for your leap of faith. Hopefully you have a soft landing.

Interesting, if he says some were recreated, that means SOME , not all. So by your own argument, there is evidence. The question is, which evidence is the original.
 

CardfbFanatic06

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Was the author himself... Cady on the radio show? Or is this just Ramsey saying he heard the author had said that?

To recreate means to make a copy of an original... not to make up something. Learn the english language please.

By the way, when was this virus that wiped her records? Was it this past month after UL discovered the news or was this well before UL found out?

The author was the guest. Sorry but you can say "learn the English language" all you want (I honestly expect better responses from my 4-year old little girl) but you don't claim to have evidence and then not have it and recreate it when you go to court. If that happened in my younger years when I partied too hard in college I would have recreated a lot of stuff to get off the hook. Evidence is evidence. It is either there or it isn't.
 

Dr. H Lecter

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That's great, but you don't recreate evidence in court. You either have the original evidence or you do not. Thanks for your leap of faith. Hopefully you have a soft landing.

Sorry but you are totally wrong. They recreate the crime scene based on evidence all the time. But the NCAA is not "court" and they do not use the same standards that a criminal case or even a civil case would require. And further...she is not as stupid as you seem to believe...in court would the COURT convict her for admissions of guilt that she "made up" in text messages?
 

LadyCaytIL

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I can't point you to the article but it was mentioned in one of the first articles written about the subject over the weekend
 

CardfbFanatic06

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Interesting, if he says some were recreated, that means SOME , not all. So by your own argument, there is evidence. The question is, which evidence is the original.

No that means he claims there is some. There may or may not be and that remains to be seen. All we CAN prove is that some of it has been recreated (which means it may or may not have been true in the first place).

Anyway thanks for the replies. I don't mind talking to the rival. We are all just regular people once you get outside of what team each of us roots for. Most of my family live in Waddy and are huge UK fans. I'm the black sheep that grew up just across the bridge from Louisville.
 

deplion_rivals116063

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Recreated = made up. Otherwise they would have the texts and would not have to 'recreate' them. So 'genius' as you say, try selling that in court. And to your last sentence, just because someone is accused of something does not mean they are guilty. Just admit you are licking your chops hoping it is true.

I'm open to the idea that something went on with McGee and Powell. There is a grain of truth within everything. I'm not open to the idea that this story is 100% true when some of it has already been proven false. How much is true is yet to be seen. If any money was exchanged or if minors were offered then wipe the staff clean and give up the title. Sports fandom isn't something I use to mask insecurities. I watch it for entertainment. If the university supported some of these allegations then I'll just quit supporting them.
I don't agree with your definition of "recreated", although I think "recovered" would probably be a more appropriate term to use. Otherwise, I think you have a very reasonable take for a Card fan. I don't agree with it, but I think it is reasonable.

If I personally were a UL fan (shudder), I wouldn't have the pitchforks and torches out quite yet, but if the gist of these charges are confirmed, then I would be screaming for heads to roll. A complete overhaul of the entire athletics department would be in order.