What bowl game would you be disappointed with if State was selected.
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"Disappointed" wouldn't be the right word, but I'm really excited about the prospect of playing a "name" opponent, i.e. ND in Gator. A matchup vs a mid-tier B1G team in Tampa or Nashville would be "meh".
Liberty, Music City, or Las Vegas
Liberty and Music City - because we've kind of been there, done that so many times that they seem pedestrian.
Las Vegas - I know all pool of six bowls are supposed to be considered equal and a rare matchup against the Pac-12 in Las Vegas is intriguing, but that Las Vegas Bowl payout is weak as 17. State is one of the 5 or 6 best teams in the toughest conference on the planet and being passed over by the Citrus, Gator, Reliaquest, and Texas bowls seems like a slap in the face, fair or unfair.
Liberty and Music City - because we've kind of been there, done that so many times that they seem pedestrian.
Las Vegas - I know all pool of six bowls are supposed to be considered equal and a rare matchup against the Pac-12 in Las Vegas is intriguing, but that Las Vegas Bowl payout is weak as 17. State is one of the 5 or 6 best teams in the toughest conference on the planet and being passed over by the Citrus, Gator, Reliaquest, and Texas bowls seems like a slap in the face, fair or unfair.
for my selfish reasons, I'd rather go to the Music City, it is easy to get to, a good destination and we'd hopefully face a lesser opponent and get an easy W.
If you're not in the playoff or New Year's Six, I think the rest of pretty much lumped together.
If you're not in the playoff or New Year's Six, I think the rest of pretty much lumped together.
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The Liberty is a good bowl for us when we have a somewhat off year. I think going to the Liberty about once every 5-6 years is ok. It's the one bowl where most MSU fans can attend. I think we rarely have less than 35-40k every time we play there. Probably the next time we go back, the stadium will have completed a $200 million renovation and should be much nicer. The fairgrounds are constantly being improved and thus more safe. They've done a nice job with Tiger Lane and associated amenities. Somebody had us versus Oklahoma in the Liberty this year, but most bowls don't want to take the same team in back to back years. I agree with that. Keep it fresh IMO.
When payouts are divided 16 times (Ea. SEC team gets 1 share, we get 2 shares, and the SEC office gets 1 share) the final amount doesn't really differentiate very much from one bowl to the other. So payout doesn't really mean too much unless you get a NY6 or Playoff spot.
That's not how the SEC does it though. The participating team gets a lump sum before the payout.
I've broken it down on other threads. Here are the payout tiers:
Would a 6-6 Arkansas
Go to the Texas Bowl ahead of a 7-5 Mississippi State? The Texas Bowl has a pretty nice payout compared to some of the other bowl games.
Here is each SEC contract bowl and the take home pay before the 15 way split:
Would a 6-6 Arkansas
Go to the Texas Bowl ahead of a 7-5 Mississippi State? The Texas Bowl has a pretty nice payout compared to some of the other bowl games.
The lump sum payment for the Citrus, Texas, and Reliaquest is $725,000 higher than the Las Vegas Bowl.
Liberty or music city just because those are so close and we have played those most recently snd lost both. Somewhere warmer like Jacksonville or Houston would be fun. Florida has better areas to attach vacation to the trip
Vegas because the timing is bad. Liberty and Music city because we were there so recently. I’d prefer to go to Memphis/Nashville after the stadium renovations are finished.
Liberty is not even on the table, so not worried about it. I don't mind the Music City, but we've been there twice in the last 10 or so years, and it would be a lesser Big 10 blah opponent like Minnesota. I really want a Florida bowl. I'd love the Gator in order to play Notre Dame. The ReliaQuest is most likely going to be Illinois which is blah, but even though it is a "Pool of 6" bowl, it holds more water than the others. I really wouldn't mind the Texas or Vegas, but we deserve a Florida bowl this year. Ole Miss, Kentucky, or the trio of 6-6 sure as hell don't.
Just looked at the idiot Sports Illustrated projections and they have UNLV in the Vegas vs UCLA. Can't happen has to be a SEC team. That's how dumb some of these "experts" are.
Don’t care about the bowl as much as I do the matchup.
The last nationally relevant program we played in a bowl was Michigan in 2010.
Man the game sucked because the defense checked out but still a great experience. I had a blast that trip.
That’s me, I can’t make the trip to Orlando but I’ve been itching for a reason to go back to Nashville.
Thee lump sum payment is precalculated and advanced as our 2/16 share. Pays for expenses basically. The rules clearly state the SEC office gets one share and the other 13 teams get one share each.That's not how the SEC does it though. The participating team gets a lump sum before the payout.
I've broken it down on other threads. Here are the payout tiers:
Would a 6-6 Arkansas
Go to the Texas Bowl ahead of a 7-5 Mississippi State? The Texas Bowl has a pretty nice payout compared to some of the other bowl games.www.on3.com
Here is each SEC contract bowl and the take home pay before the 15 way split:
Would a 6-6 Arkansas
Go to the Texas Bowl ahead of a 7-5 Mississippi State? The Texas Bowl has a pretty nice payout compared to some of the other bowl games.
The lump sum payment for the Citrus, Texas, and Reliaquest is $725,000 higher than the Las Vegas Bowl.
If you look at page 45 of the SEC bylaws link I posted, you'll see the payouts and tiers.
Let's use the Texas Bowl as an example, that would be covered by 31.21.1(d):
For bowl games providing receipts which result in a balance of $6,000,000 or more and all College Football Playoff games,
the participating institution shall receive $2,050,000 ($2,050,000 if the SEC team is a participant in the College Football Playoff
semi-finals game; an additional $2,150,000 if the SEC team is also a participant in the College Football Playoff championship
game, which determines the National Champion), plus a travel allowance as determined by the SEC Executive Committee.
Institutions participating in a College Football Playoff game may also request additional travel expenses, which may be granted
to such institution at the Commissioner’s discretion. The remainder shall be remitted to the Commissioner and shall be divided
into 15 equal shares, with one share to the Conference and one share to each member institution.
So, let's do the math on that.
Using your math and breaking the Texas Bowl's $6.4 Million payout into 16ths, that would be $400,000 for the office/each non-participating conference member and $800,000 for the participant.
Using what's written into the actual bylaws, the participant gets a lump sum of $2,050,000 (PLUS a travel allowance), then the office and each conference member get 1/15th of the $4,350,000 that's left over, which is $290,000. Add that to the lump sum and the SEC participant gets $2,340,000, which is much better than 1/8th of the payout.
Now, we compare that to the Las Vegas Bowl and its $2.9 Million payout. If you use your 1/16th formula, you'd end up with $193,333 for the office/each non-participant and $386,666 for the participant, so about a $413,000 difference from the Texas Bowl.
Using the bylaw formula, the participant would get a $1,325,000 lump sum (plus travel allowance), then the office and each conference member get 1/15th of the $1,575,000 that's left over, which is $105,000. Add that to the lump sum and the SEC participant gets $1,430,000, which is a $910,000 drop from the Texas Bowl.
I'm not sure where the 2/16 idea came from, but that's not what the SEC bylaws state.
Texas Bowl.
In my opinion it's (1) Tampa (2) Jax or it's a disappointment.
I want the New Year's Day (or this year Jan 2) game in Tampa. New Year's Day is still prestige to me. No one is working and everyone is watching the few college football games and teams that day.
And hopefully Miss. State is one of those teams playing in Tampa but I think it will be LSU in the Citrus, USCe in Tampa, and the Bulldogs in JAX.
In my opinion it's (1) Tampa (2) Jax or it's a disappointment.
I want the New Year's Day (or this year Jan 2) game in Tampa. New Year's Day is still prestige to me. No one is working and everyone is watching the few college football games and teams that day.
And hopefully Miss. State is one of those teams playing in Tampa but I think it will be LSU in the Citrus, USCe in Tampa, and the Bulldogs in JAX.
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Citrus or Outback bc I live in central Florida and can't attend them bc of prior engagements lol
Anything less than those would be pretty disappointing though. Gator wouldn't be too bad
Anything less than those would be pretty disappointing though. Gator wouldn't be too bad
Been that way for 40+ years. Sixteen shares. Each team gets 1/16, SEC office gets 1/16, and the SEC team that is playing in said bowl, a 2/16 share. The SEC is not going to prepay us over $2 million to travel to Memphis, Nashville, Charlotte, Jacksonville, Tampa, Orlando, Birmingham, Houston, Shreveport, and likely not Las Vegas either. What you quoted above is for "playoff" or NY6 teams for which the SEC will only have 1-3 teams participating this year, Ex: Expenses to Memphis might total a couple hundred thousand. Expenses to Las Vegas might total 500-750K. The SEC Executive Committee will determine ultimately what each team gets if there is any additional expenses needed. And they will never publish what is paid to who.
It may have been that way 40 years, ago, but it's not that way now. If you actually read the whole thing, you'd see I only picked (d) because it applied to the $6.4 Million payout of the Texas Bowl.
Here's the full thing:
31.21.1 Distribution of Bowl Game Receipts.
Distribution of revenue (after allowable deductions) generated from member institutions participating in bowl games shall be reviewed on an annual basis and determined as follows: [Revised: 6/1/95; Revised: 6/2/06; effective 8/1/2006; Revised: 5/31/2013; effective 8/1/2013; Revised: 6/2/17]]
(a) For bowl games providing receipts which result in a balance of less than $1,500,000, the participating institution shall retain $1,050,000, plus a travel allowance as determined by the SEC Executive Committee. The remainder shall be remitted to the Commissioner and shall be divided into 15 equal shares with one share to the Conference and one share to each member institution. [Revised: 6/1/02; Revised: 6/2/06; effective 8/1/2006; Revised: 5/29/09; effective 8/1/2009; Revised: 5/31/2013; effective 8/1/2013; Revised: 5/30/14; effective 8/1/2014; Revised: 6/3/16; effective 8/1/2016, Revised: 6/1/18]
(b) For bowl games providing receipts which result in a balance between $1,500,000 and $3,999,999, the participating institution shall retain $1,325,000, plus a travel allowance as determined by the SEC Executive Committee. The remainder shall be remitted to the Commissioner and shall be divided into 15 equal shares, with one share to the Conference and one share to each member institution. [Revised: 6/1/02; Revised: 6/2/06; effective 8/1/2006; Revised: 5/29/09; effective 8/1/2009; Revised: 5/31/2013; effective 8/1/2013; Revised: 5/30/2014; effective 8/1/2014; Revised: 6/3/16; effective 8/1/2016, Revised: 6/1/18]
(c) For bowl games providing receipts which result in a balance between $4,000,000 and $5,999,999, the participating institution shall retain $1,525,000, plus a travel allowance as determined by the SEC Executive Committee. The remainder shall be remitted to the Commissioner and shall be divided into 15 equal shares, with one share to the Conference and one share to each member institution. [Revised: 6/1/02; Revised: 6/2/06; effective 8/1/2006; Revised: 5/29/09; effective 8/1/2009; Revised: 5/31/2013; effective 8/1/2013; Revised: 5/30/2014; effective 8/1/2014; Revised: 6/3/16; effective 8/1/2016, Revised: 6/1/18]
(d) For bowl games providing receipts which result in a balance of $6,000,000 or more and all College Football Playoff games, the participating institution shall receive $2,050,000 ($2,050,000 if the SEC team is a participant in the College Football Playoff semi-finals game; an additional $2,150,000 if the SEC team is also a participant in the College Football Playoff championship game, which determines the National Champion), plus a travel allowance as determined by the SEC Executive Committee. Institutions participating in a College Football Playoff game may also request additional travel expenses, which may be granted to such institution at the Commissioner’s discretion. The remainder shall be remitted to the Commissioner and shall be divided into 15 equal shares, with one share to the Conference and one share to each member institution. [Revised: 6/1/02; Revised: 6/2/06; effective 8/1/2006; Revised: 5/29/09; effective 8/1/2009; Revised: 5/31/2013; effective 8/1/2013; Revised: 5/30/2014; effective 8/1/2014; Revised: 6/3/16; effective 8/1/2016, Revised: 6/1/18]
(e) Bowl Revenue Protection Insurance shall be deducted prior to Conference distribution. [Adopted: 6/1/02; Revised: and Effective 6/4/2010; Revised: 5/31/2013; effective 8/1/2013; Revised: 5/30/2014; effective 8/1/2014; Revised: 6/3/16; effective 8/1/2016]
(f) The cost of unused tickets up to the contractually guaranteed ticket purchase number shall be deducted prior to Conference distribution for all bowl games providing receipts of $6 million or more. For bowl games providing receipts of less than $6 million, the participating institution shall be fully responsible for the contractually guaranteed ticket purchase number. [Adopted: 6/2/17; Revised: 5/28/20]
(g) For bowl games in which a member institution participates as an “alternate” (e.g., 5-7 team) under NCAA Postseason Bowl Game requirements, the participating institution shall retain all revenue distributed by the bowl. The participating institution shall not receive a base retainage or travel allowance as set forth in subsections (a) through (d) above. The participating institution shall also be fully responsible for the contractually guaranteed ticket purchase number and any other expenses associated with participation in the bowl. [Adopted: 6/2/17]
Yeah me too. Driving down to the keys and wade fishing Bahia Honda while it was 52° back home was fantastic.
The Vegas Bowl timing is just crazy to me. Teams and fans that are going find out on December 4th about the destination, and the game is December 17th. I don’t even know how you fit in the 15 practices or whatever it is into that small window, let alone have time for at least the SEC team fans to nail down reasonably priced flights and accomodations.
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