What Happens if Kentucky Doesn't Make A Bowl Game This Year?

tmuck

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The empty seats will force the boosters and administrations hand. Can't have that for two years in a row. They'll see the writing on the wall, pay him off, and be done with it. I'll also make a prediction that goofy face will be gone as well. He'll "retire" or take another job. He wants no part of F'ing up his 3rd Football coaching hire in a row.
 
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K_TIME

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UK may improve to win 2 SEC games vs. Vandy, Mizzou or USCjr. I'd almost argue Miss St is out of reach given how big they are up front.

But after the So Miss debacle and the Bill Curry-ish showing vs. UF...UK has major holes at 2 DL spots, the SLB is a mess with Josh Allen/Kobie Walker, MLB is a hole and Mike Edwards is totally lost at Safety. On offense...both tackle spots are a problem still, Ramsey Meyers isn't really good at one guard spot, Barker has shown in 4 games he's played to have some really bad periods in each game (and has been a TO prone kid in those 4 games).

UK has tons of holes...4 wins is the high side for this squad.
 

Blueaz

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Probably the most direct question to ask at this point.

If they don't go a minimum 6-6 this year and make a bowl game, meaning Year 4 of 4 in the Stoops era of no bowl appearances, do you go in a different direction?

Or does going 5-7 at this point, but playing much better and more competitive the rest of the year, bring him back next year?

Here's the reality:

UK needs to go 6-4 the rest of this season to salvage a 6-6 year and be bowl eligible. There are only 5 very winnable games in my mind left--South Carolina, Vandy, Mizzou, Austin Peay, New Mexico State.

This means UK must win ALL 5 plus find at least one upset win in there to get to 6-6.

Admittedly, where this team is at right now, I don't beam with confidence with 6-6 happening.
two pages of troll work...and our posters bought it.
only a troll could post this...or the biggest homer ever!
 

Cats_2010

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What the hell were you drinking?

UK hadn't beaten Florida since Christ was a baby, they were playing in the Swamp, and UK was coming off a humiliating loss at home against Southern Miss.

Because Florida didn't completely roll UMass you thought that was "winnable"?

I have dozens of UK fans and not one of them expected UK to win in Gainesville yesterday.

I never said the game was winnable but somehow to a segment of the fanbase it did. Look at UMM, still thinks the GA game is winnable because they almost lost to Troy. Our team sucks and I don't expect to win more than 3-4 games at most.
 

UKWildcatT

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Don't win 6 and Stoops is gone. Period. No way you can trot Stoops and this staff out there again. It was a chore to get fans to come back and believe this season after collapses the last two seasons, no way you can do it again. I believe if Stoops and this staff return, we'll see lots of transfers and recruiting fall off a cliff. The bigger question for me is, what happens if we get beat by New Mexico St next week? It's certainly possible. At that point do you make a change mid-season? You can't let this program go 1-11 and do nothing. I'm just so frustrated.

Honestly, if he loses to New Mexico St (at home), he should be fired right after the game.

Absolutely zero excuse why a SEC team should lose at home, in their fourth year under a coach, to that team.

I hate to say it, but I think the players see the writing on the wall and it wouldn't shock me if we lost (and if we win, it'll be close)
 

morgousky

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Most people that keep saying "we're stuck with stoops until next year" clearly have no idea what they're talking about. They see the extention and think "we're stuck", but it's not how this works. If stoops wins 2,3,4 games this year, he's gone. There will be no choice. That's nothing to build on. It's called buyout negotiations. He will probably take 5 million and roll if he's not wanted. Most coaches with even a shred of dignity won't hold a school hostage if they're not wanted and didn't perform. Wasn't this the typical Barnhart "ethical hire"? For all those calling him a good man, we'll see.
 

morgousky

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Honestly, if he loses to New Mexico St (at home), he should be fired right after the game.

Absolutely zero excuse why a SEC team should lose at home, in their fourth year under a coach, to that team.

I hate to say it, but I think the players see the writing on the wall and it wouldn't shock me if we lost (and if we win, it'll be close)

If we lose to NMSU id fire him on the spot and be done with this. Everyone should be sending emails into the presidents office expressing their feelings about Barnhart making another hire. Flood him. I've already done it. We don't want Barnhart making anymore basketball and football hires.
 
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RonEJones

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The empty seats will force the boosters and administrations hand. Can't have that for two years in a row. They'll see the writing on the wall, pay him off, and be done with it. I'll also make a prediction that goofy face will be gone as well. He'll "retire" or take another job. He wants no part of F'ing up his 3rd Football coaching hire in a row.

Please don't get my hopes up. Stoops and Barney gone in the same year? That would be a dream come true.
 
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JStaff21

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Unfortunately probably nothing. Just another year of this traveling circus.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't know the details of Stoops contract... But why wouldn't you put something in there about performing so poorly that you win 3 games or less you could be fired with no penalty?
 

billoliver40

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There will no bowl game. Four wins might salvage the current coaching crew....whether I think I should or not.
Going by the last two games, two wins could well be a stretch.

An empty stadium and a horde of transfer outs and and empty recruiting season is a very high probability.
 
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Most people that keep saying "we're stuck with stoops until next year" clearly have no idea what they're talking about. They see the extention and think "we're stuck", but it's not how this works. If stoops wins 2,3,4 games this year, he's gone. There will be no choice. That's nothing to build on. It's called buyout negotiations. He will probably take 5 million and roll if he's not wanted. Most coaches with even a shred of dignity won't hold a school hostage if they're not wanted and didn't perform. Wasn't this the typical Barnhart "ethical hire"? For all those calling him a good man, we'll see.

Hate to disagree with you, but we are on the hook for $12 million no matter how you slice it with Stoops if we fire him before Dec. 1 2017.

There is NO WAY Stoops' agent will allow him to take a lesser buyout.

THANK YOU MITCH FOR THIS WHOLE MESS!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 

morgousky

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Hate to disagree with you, but we are on the hook for $12 million no matter how you slice it with Stoops if we fire him before Dec. 1 2017.

There is NO WAY Stoops' agent will allow him to take a lesser buyout.

THANK YOU MITCH FOR THIS WHOLE MESS!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Well we disagree. Negotiations on buyouts happen all the time. Before partner was courted by GT they were already in the middle of negotiating a massive buyout. If you're not wanted you're not wanted. I don't see stoops staying firm on a full 12 million just to be a lame duck for a year and deal with that pressure. I think he'd negotiate at least down to 7 or 8 million of we don't want him.
 

Beatle Bum

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If they make a bowl, Stoops will not be fire. I doubt they make a bowl. But, if they do, some people here will be upset.
 

morgousky

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Unfortunately probably nothing. Just another year of this traveling circus.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't know the details of Stoops contract... But why wouldn't you put something in there about performing so poorly that you win 3 games or less you could be fired with no penalty?

Because Mitch, that's why. He's an academic AD who isn't concerned with winning big in major sports. He's concerned with longevity / mediocrity and staying out of trouble while he plays with his chemistry set in the science lab.

We really, really screwed up by extending him. We need an athletic AD who has vision to take our programs to the next level. Mitch is not it.
 

KopiKat

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Don't win 6 and Stoops is gone. Period.

He's gone then. 6 wins IS NOT happening. This football program is at the lowest point any of have seen it in a quarter of a century, and that's being generous. Miserable fundamentals everywhere you look except for where some players are just taking matters into their own hands (e.g. Jordan Jones doing his own head hunting, obviously in contrast to overall defensive schemes, and thank god for it).

Blocking on the offensive line is wretched. Our most experienced player, Toth, hasn't been coached well enough to understand where to position himself. Several times against the 4-3 stepping too far forward to engage a non-participating middle linebacker (intends to float while play develops), only to allow a DT to move laterally right behind him and shut down the run for what, for a brief second or so, there had actually been a running lane. Such a simple way for a defense to shut down the run (middle linebacker teases the center with a 1/2 step toward him), and Toth goes for it time and time again, allowing DTs to operate right behind Toth with plenty of room. Then Toth is looking around for somebody to block . . . anybody to block. Just agonizing how our staff can't fix something so simple like this. This is probably why Stoops doesn't like the 4-3, he obviously doesn't know how an offensive line is supposed to block against one. And if all our OL is practicing against is a 3-4 then that is a HUGE problem by itself, and would go a long way toward explaining why Toth keeps stupidly moving too far forward against the 4-3.
 

*Bleedingblue*

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Did you see georgia yesterday...thats winnable


Watching Georgia was like watching the UMass/ Florida game. Florida was inept and was leading by 3 going into the 4th we see how that turned out after they met us.
Georgia is a running team and they will run through us like what ex-lax.
 

rmattox

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Easy. If/when we don't make a bowl, I still enjoy the best 3-4 weeks in all of sports...the bowl season. After that, I watch the nfl finish up, then go into hibernation until the end of March. If uk has a chance of winning the nc, jump on the bball bandwagon. If not, enjoy watching the Reds strive to be "competitive" again.
 

rmattox

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Because Mitch, that's why. He's an academic AD who isn't concerned with winning big in major sports. He's concerned with longevity / mediocrity and staying out of trouble while he plays with his chemistry set in the science lab.

We really, really screwed up by extending him. We need an athletic AD who has vision to take our programs to the next level. Mitch is not it.

I'm not sure mb is an academic AD. I've been thinking about this and have reached the following conclusion. While mb certainly is due much of the blame for the continued failure of Football, I believe the bigger problem lies with his boss and his boss's bosses. I know only one of the members of the B of Regents (sp), but I know him well enough to know he likely cares very little about athletics in general. He is certainly academic focused and, if he had to choose, would choose making UK a high level institution of learning rather than having the school known primarily for its athletics. In fact, I'd bet he'd tell you he would love seeing UK become more like a Harvard than an Alabama. While I don't particularly share his views, I know he's right.

That said, IMO, where we're losing out is that if my acquaintence and his colleagues simply said, "While we're not in the business of athletics (primarily), if we're going to field teams, we expect excellence of performance; we expect to win" I believe we'd see changes.
I don't attend their meetings, but knowing this guy as I do, I'd bet this expectation has not been articulated. IMO, all they have to do is put the same level of pressure on our president and mb as I'd bet Bama's BoR would put on their leaders.

Just thinking, but I may be wrong.
 

Longtrip

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Most people that keep saying "we're stuck with stoops until next year" clearly have no idea what they're talking about. They see the extention and think "we're stuck", but it's not how this works. If stoops wins 2,3,4 games this year, he's gone. There will be no choice. That's nothing to build on. It's called buyout negotiations. He will probably take 5 million and roll if he's not wanted. Most coaches with even a shred of dignity won't hold a school hostage if they're not wanted and didn't perform. Wasn't this the typical Barnhart "ethical hire"? For all those calling him a good man, we'll see.

I sure hope you are right about that. I am now ready to move on. And don't let Mitch near the process to find our next coach.
 

elwood_blue

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Oh yeah, how could I have been so wrong. Vandy is suddenly a powerhouse this year and no way in God's earth can UK even stand a prayer to beat them.

I never said UK would be them--I called it a "winnable" game...look up the definition of that.
I agree it's winnable, but you said "very" winnable, as if UK has a 90% chance of walking away with it. Perhaps this can help:

 

shutzhund

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Probably the most direct question to ask at this point.

If they don't go a minimum 6-6 this year and make a bowl game, meaning Year 4 of 4 in the Stoops era of no bowl appearances, do you go in a different direction?

Or does going 5-7 at this point, but playing much better and more competitive the rest of the year, bring him back next year?

Here's the reality:

UK needs to go 6-4 the rest of this season to salvage a 6-6 year and be bowl eligible. There are only 5 very winnable games in my mind left--South Carolina, Vandy, Mizzou, Austin Peay, New Mexico State.

This means UK must win ALL 5 plus find at least one upset win in there to get to 6-6.

Admittedly, where this team is at right now, I don't beam with confidence with 6-6 happening.


The world will continue spinning on it's axis, I will still get nervous over a four foot putt and buy lottery tickets
 

Wall2Boogie

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Its amazing almost two months later and we have beaten most of the teams mentioned. Do we stand a prayer against Georgia? I am hoping for a miracle
 

Dallas-Wild

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He's gone then. 6 wins IS NOT happening. This football program is at the lowest point any of have seen it in a quarter of a century, and that's being generous. Miserable fundamentals everywhere you look except for where some players are just taking matters into their own hands (e.g. Jordan Jones doing his own head hunting, obviously in contrast to overall defensive schemes, and thank god for it).

Blocking on the offensive line is wretched. Our most experienced player, Toth, hasn't been coached well enough to understand where to position himself. Several times against the 4-3 stepping too far forward to engage a non-participating middle linebacker (intends to float while play develops), only to allow a DT to move laterally right behind him and shut down the run for what, for a brief second or so, there had actually been a running lane. Such a simple way for a defense to shut down the run (middle linebacker teases the center with a 1/2 step toward him), and Toth goes for it time and time again, allowing DTs to operate right behind Toth with plenty of room. Then Toth is looking around for somebody to block . . . anybody to block. Just agonizing how our staff can't fix something so simple like this. This is probably why Stoops doesn't like the 4-3, he obviously doesn't know how an offensive line is supposed to block against one. And if all our OL is practicing against is a 3-4 then that is a HUGE problem by itself, and would go a long way toward explaining why Toth keeps stupidly moving too far forward against the 4-3.
 

mrhotdice

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In reality, this old thread proves what most in the know posters already know. That their are some in the U.K. Fan base that are football idiots. The same knee jerk reaction wherever they post. Their mascot is not a Wildcat but Chicken, the sky is falling, Little.
 
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KopiKat

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In reality, this old thread proves what most in the know posters already know. That their are some in the U.K. Fan base that are football idiots. The same knee jerk reaction wherever they post. Their mascot is not a Wildcat but Chicken, the sky is falling, Little.

reality . . . old threads . . . idiots . . . yeah those things are real aren't they? Have a nice evening, Chicken Little
 

jauk11

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OR the running of a snell!

I didn't think snails ran, I thought they oozed.

Oh wait, there is a Snell on the team, completely different animal with all the characteristics needed for playing football. What a blessing.
 

theoledog

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These old threads do tell a story of yesterday and how things can change at the drop of a football.
isn't that the truth.... we were way ahead of the curve two years in a row and fell short :( ... This year we fell short early and have come to look like a lock for a Bowl....
Would be nice to see this team get a significant win out of these last few games...
That would be special.
 
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