We have a team that busts their *** in the off-season, unlike basketball in the past. We have a program that made it to the top sixteen last year, unlike basketball under stans. We have a coach that made it to the top sixteen, unlike stans did during his whole career. We have a team that listens when their coach calls timeout, unlike the basketball team did. We have a team that practices hard, unlike the bball team. We have a team that supports each other, unlike the bball team. We have a team that goes about it the right way, much like Rick Ray wants to do. Stop nit picking every small detail to try to sound smart. If Rick had practiced and handled his team the right way, I wouldn't have bashed him for the past five years or more, but this is totally different. Support your team for crying out loud. Everyone outside the bball program could see that there was all kinds of terrible crap going on. This is SEC baseball. It is harder to win than in football. Managers have tough decisions to make. If it works, its great. If not, everyone is pissed. Come on. I had some complaints but Cohen and these guys need support. Stop trying to act like a genius everytime someone gets out. I could have complained in bball and started a thread about it everytime the ball was in play. This isn't basketball and we can still pull something out of our asses this year. The hitting will slowly improve. Just get behind these guys. These aren't self-entitled "ball.ers" These are good kids that work their *** off year round. Just drop the negative **** or at least stop making threads about every single signal call. I get it usually but stop treating these guys like our clueless basketball program.
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We have a team that busts their *** in the off-season, unlike basketball in the past. We have a program that made it to the top sixteen last year, unlike basketball under stans. We have a coach that made it to the top sixteen, unlike stans did during his whole career. We have a team that listens when their coach calls timeout, unlike the basketball team did. We have a team that practices hard, unlike the bball team. We have a team that supports each other, unlike the bball team. We have a team that goes about it the right way, much like Rick Ray wants to do. Stop nit picking every small detail to try to sound smart. If Rick had practiced and handled his team the right way, I wouldn't have bashed him for the past five years or more, but this is totally different. Support your team for crying out loud. Everyone outside the bball program could see that there was all kinds of terrible crap going on. This is SEC baseball. It is harder to win than in football. Managers have tough decisions to make. If it works, its great. If not, everyone is pissed. Come on. I had some complaints but Cohen and these guys need support. Stop trying to act like a genius everytime someone gets out. I could have complained in bball and started a thread about it everytime the ball was in play. This isn't basketball and we can still pull something out of our asses this year. The hitting will slowly improve. Just get behind these guys. These aren't self-entitled "ball.ers" These are good kids that work their *** off year round. Just drop the negative **** or at least stop making threads about every single signal call. I get it usually but stop treating these guys like our clueless basketball program.
We have a team that busts their *** in the off-season, unlike basketball in the past. We have a program that made it to the top sixteen last year, unlike basketball under stans. We have a coach that made it to the top sixteen, unlike stans did during his whole career. We have a team that listens when their coach calls timeout, unlike the basketball team did. We have a team that practices hard, unlike the bball team. We have a team that supports each other, unlike the bball team. We have a team that goes about it the right way, much like Rick Ray wants to do. Stop nit picking every small detail to try to sound smart. If Rick had practiced and handled his team the right way, I wouldn't have bashed him for the past five years or more, but this is totally different. Support your team for crying out loud. Everyone outside the bball program could see that there was all kinds of terrible crap going on. This is SEC baseball. It is harder to win than in football. Managers have tough decisions to make. If it works, its great. If not, everyone is pissed. Come on. I had some complaints but Cohen and these guys need support. Stop trying to act like a genius everytime someone gets out. I could have complained in bball and started a thread about it everytime the ball was in play. This isn't basketball and we can still pull something out of our asses this year. The hitting will slowly improve. Just get behind these guys. These aren't self-entitled "ball.ers" These are good kids that work their *** off year round. Just drop the negative **** or at least stop making threads about every single signal call. I get it usually but stop treating these guys like our clueless basketball program.
We have a team that busts their *** in the off-season, unlike basketball in the past. We have a program that made it to the top sixteen last year, unlike basketball under stans. We have a coach that made it to the top sixteen, unlike stans did during his whole career. We have a team that listens when their coach calls timeout, unlike the basketball team did. We have a team that practices hard, unlike the bball team. We have a team that supports each other, unlike the bball team. We have a team that goes about it the right way, much like Rick Ray wants to do. Stop nit picking every small detail to try to sound smart. If Rick had practiced and handled his team the right way, I wouldn't have bashed him for the past five years or more, but this is totally different. Support your team for crying out loud. Everyone outside the bball program could see that there was all kinds of terrible crap going on. This is SEC baseball. It is harder to win than in football. Managers have tough decisions to make. If it works, its great. If not, everyone is pissed. Come on. I had some complaints but Cohen and these guys need support. Stop trying to act like a genius everytime someone gets out. I could have complained in bball and started a thread about it everytime the ball was in play. This isn't basketball and we can still pull something out of our asses this year. The hitting will slowly improve. Just get behind these guys. These aren't self-entitled "ball.ers" These are good kids that work their *** off year round. Just drop the negative **** or at least stop making threads about every single signal call. I get it usually but stop treating these guys like our clueless basketball program.
When the SEC wins the next 4 College World Series championships, then you might can make that claim. Until then, no way.
In reality this is a message board on the internets. Asking people to be patient, to stop bitching, stop going overboard play by play, and to focus on the positives shows you haven't paid much attention. Just argue with them about what they are posting or ignore it. They won't stop. If they did what in the 17 would we have to talk about 90% of the time?
But that doesn't mean we turn on them and question everything. ****. There's nothing wrong with being positive. Our coach actually has control, coaches his players, commands respect, and gets them to put out. Its ok to expect better but this program is totally different and people should acknowledge that instead of going full retard in the paint.
this will hopefully be the same argument we have with the basketball team soon. People will be freaked out over the lack of talent. I just hope like hell that many of us actually appreciate changes in attitudes and team chemistry. An example, when Gregg Marshall took over Wichita State they only won 11 games the first season. He was quoted last year about that transition in 2007 and said he was amazed that night after night the fans gave a standing ovation at the end of the games regardless of the final outcome. He received tons of mail from fans saying how much they appreciated the increase in attitude, effort, and toughness of the players. I will be DAMN glad to write Rick Ray that kind of note and I hope Cohen got his fair share. The thing is though, at some point all of this has to lead to better consistency. Last season was great but it is tough to see so many losses again this year.
tell them too. You were on this board daily bitching about Stansbury, the 5th winningest coach in SEC history by the way. I was ready to let him go, but you and coach sounded like a couple of women and never let it rest. I think that everyone on this board knew that you wanted Stans gone by the 50th 17ing post on the subject. Stansbury is gone and that ordeal is history, why do you keep bringing it up? Does it have anything to do with our subpar baseball team? Here is why people are pissed, Polk(who needed to go also) easily surpassed the 30 win mark every season for close to 30 years. He goes to the CWS in07 and follows it up with the worst season that I had ever witnessed at MSU. Cohen takes over a program that was in the CWS two years before he took over, we had also participated in 3 CWS in the past ten years before Polk's one year meltdown. Cohen follows this up by having back to back horrible seasons followed by a "sweet 16" run. Some of the key parts of that team were Polk's players by the way. Last year's team struggled for most of the year and thengot hot at the right time, but he still deserves credit forthat success. Year 4, weare 6-10 in the SECand playing ****** baseball. We will be lucky to qualify for the SEC tourney consideringhow we have played so farandknowing that we plat two far superior teams to finish the season. Look up MSU baseball on Wikipedia and see the stats, I don't knowhow long you have been followingour baseball teams, butthis **** is unacceptable.Also, get out of here with the grit and hustle talk, it is 17ing baseball, notfootball, track, orbasketball,just 17ingbaseball. The pitcher and catcherhave to grind it out at times, but ......nevermind, you apparently don't get it. Cohenisone of the higher paidcoaches in the SEC and it is time that he earned his paycheck. At least he brings excitement to the program and our fans have responded by filling up Dudy Noble though........ Weset basicallyevery attendance record in NCAA history under Polk(the top 9 on campus crowds and15 of the top 25 belong to us), we set the regional records two years before Cohen arrived. Poor Cohen, he took over such a pitiful program, ********. Give him 5 more years, no need to hurry, winning is not as important as doing things the right way, sound familiar? Ricky Ray and Cohen's teams sure do hustle though.......bless their hearts.
For one, just like you pointed out with basketball, there are less players which allows a good coach to turn things around rather quickly if he can recruit and develop players. In football, the big boys like Bama and LSU havefour starslined up on their three deep roster hoping to getin the gamefor a few snaps. Bama, LSU, and Ark were the top3 teams in the nation going into the final week of the season and of course two of them played against each other inNC game by the way. We have a difficult time competing against these teams especially considering our budget and the fact that we have the smallest stadium in the SEC this side of Vandy. Not by a little bit either, there are several stadiums in our division thatthat that hold around 40,000 more than Davis Wade. Our baseball stadium may be a little dated, but our facilities are still top notch. It will definitely hold as much as any other stadium in the SEC. Football is considered a religion in the south and that is whereSECschools spend most of their athletic budget,we can't compete in that area currently. Yeah, baseball is definitely tougher, just another one of your unsupported "facts" I suppose.
Great logic. Would you like to join our conversation or talk about football stadiums? Good night.
having a subpar season and then losing in a regional in my opinion. Look, Stansbury had to go, he wasn't producing.That is a dead story but you and Lars will still be posting about it5 years from now. Cohen is not producing, he needs to step up or move on. If you disagree, fine, I just want a baseball coach that can lead our team to success. I don't care for the "we are so darn close" comments during the 4th year of his tenure either. Close to what, winning 30 games overall and 10 or maybe 12 in the SEC this year. You want everyone to just support the coach even though he is winning SEC games at a .300 clip? Hell, you bash Tyler Russell and he is our starting qb........wait, you said that Russell would never start and that Dak would beat him out after Relf graduated, how is that working out for you?
Than make a Sweet 16? You're either lying to try and support your argument, or you're a dumbass. Maybe both. We all want a coach that gets us winning....I think what coach and Lars are saying is that you and several others seem so anxious for us to fail so you can help push him out the door, that you're bitching even when we win. Try being supportive at least until the season is over.....who's to say we don't make a run like we did last year? Or win the damn conference next year(which may make you happier than a CWS appearance)?
All you clowns keep saying is that you want SEC wins and ****, so can we at least drop the negativity a notch on a night where Cohen gives you one?
All you clowns keep saying is that you want SEC wins and ****, so can we at least drop the negativity a notch on a night where Cohen gives you one?
I was actually there supporting MSU. The crowd was pathetic though, yes it was a Thursday night, but this is SBW. Istarted going to MSU baseball games(football and bball too)at the age of 5 and I have never witnessed a SBW crowd that was even close to being as small as tonight's. I was sitting on row one behind home plate when Master's hit his legendary HR, one of my earliest memories as a State fan(just letting you know that I have been around the program for a decnt period of time).A majority on this board may be diehard Cohen supporters, but our attendance this year shows that many State fans disagree. We made the sweet 16 last year, shouldn't that create excitement and increased fan support? I am curious to hear your opinion on that subject. I was also there for both games against Clemson and you could not have asked for a better crowd. The first game was packed even though it was played during the middle of a work day. As far as our fans becoming ****** especially on this board at times, I agree. I believe that we should support all of our programs and let seasons play out, but Coach disagrees. Like he has stated, we need to expect more and stop settling for mediocrity. Well, I sure as hell am not going to be satisfied with consistentlyhaving ****** teams in the onesport that we have actually had some level of relevance.
a sweet 16 appearance in baseball even if we did get bounced early from theBig Dance.I expect us to be in regionals every year in baseball and I also expect usto make one or two CWS appearances per decade. A super regional appearance should not be that big of a deal for our program, I believe that Polk II even led us to three supers and one CWS appearance during the 2000-2007 era. Also, I would prefer a sweet 16 in hoops over an SEC title in the same sport, just not a regional inbaseball(we have beento over 30 of them) overan SEC title in hoops. I actually support Cohen, I just think that it is borderline hilarious having Lars preach about being good fans and letting the season play out. I would not have even posted tonighthad it not been for his hypocritical post, ridiculouspost. I had to call him on it and the numbers actually supportmyside of the debate(I wish that wasn'tthe case), just my opinion.I support every team that we field in every sport, always will. I will say this, I willhalt mynegativity towards Cohen, I really don't want to bash any MSU coach unless it is Crooms anyway. I just hope that everyone remembers this thread when Coach starts bitching about Russell after game 3 this fall.
Of course, it was only two or three lines longer than the whiny little Hallmark novel that started this thread. Just more of your hypocritical ********.
Let's see what the rest of this weekend does as far as the crowds go.
Other than the SR, our crowds have been down for a long time. I certainly remember talking about the grandstand not being full during Polk's second tenure.
I'm not sure that crowd size for baseball necessarily means that people don't support or like the coach. I think our issues run deeper than what is going on the field. I do think that it was good that the grandstand was open tonight as far as seating, and I liked the white out idea, and I think the Dudes were a decent idea- although they would be better served in their own section in right field. We had fireworks tonight too- all of those were good things that the AD has done.
But there is still room for improvement- promotions like the fireworks need to be communicated better, and I think we need to advertise the baseball team more- and basketball for that matter. Right now, it seems like everything is football, football, and more football. I understand that football is the money maker, but that doesn't mean you ignore and underpromote something that doesn't make as much money and then wonder why no one shows up.
More needs to be done, and I am seeing some strides at least. I think they are just now realizing this because a lot of people were saying things like "well, I'll show up when they start winning." Well, OK- then we go to a SR, and guess what? No one still shows up. And I think because of that, the AD is just now realizing that they really need to step it up big time.
One thing I would do is just cover up the bleachers unless it's something like SBW, a regional/SR, or a big series where a huge crowd is expected. Basically put a huge tarp over the bleachers- they could say something like MSU, maybe have our program accomplishments on them.
I am also a proponent of moving the fences in/infield up- I do think more home runs would help our program, and I think it would help recruiting hitters a little bit. I think the biggest fallacy about John Cohen is that he wants a small ball punch and judy team. Well, if that's true, why are we recruiting guys like Trey Porter, Wes Rea, Hunter Renfroe, Daryl Norris, Daniel Garner, Nick Flair, etc.? He certainly had no problems with his team hitting home runs at UK. How awesome would it have been had Trey Porter gotten a walk-off home run? It really seems to me that our park hurts us more than it helps us. And I think we can do this without totally compromising the pitchers.
Other than the SR, our crowds have been down for a long time. I certainly remember talking about the grandstand not being full during Polk's second tenure.
I'm not sure that crowd size for baseball necessarily means that people don't support or like the coach. I think our issues run deeper than what is going on the field. I do think that it was good that the grandstand was open tonight as far as seating, and I liked the white out idea, and I think the Dudes were a decent idea- although they would be better served in their own section in right field. We had fireworks tonight too- all of those were good things that the AD has done.
But there is still room for improvement- promotions like the fireworks need to be communicated better, and I think we need to advertise the baseball team more- and basketball for that matter. Right now, it seems like everything is football, football, and more football. I understand that football is the money maker, but that doesn't mean you ignore and underpromote something that doesn't make as much money and then wonder why no one shows up.
More needs to be done, and I am seeing some strides at least. I think they are just now realizing this because a lot of people were saying things like "well, I'll show up when they start winning." Well, OK- then we go to a SR, and guess what? No one still shows up. And I think because of that, the AD is just now realizing that they really need to step it up big time.
One thing I would do is just cover up the bleachers unless it's something like SBW, a regional/SR, or a big series where a huge crowd is expected. Basically put a huge tarp over the bleachers- they could say something like MSU, maybe have our program accomplishments on them.
I am also a proponent of moving the fences in/infield up- I do think more home runs would help our program, and I think it would help recruiting hitters a little bit. I think the biggest fallacy about John Cohen is that he wants a small ball punch and judy team. Well, if that's true, why are we recruiting guys like Trey Porter, Wes Rea, Hunter Renfroe, Daryl Norris, Daniel Garner, Nick Flair, etc.? He certainly had no problems with his team hitting home runs at UK. How awesome would it have been had Trey Porter gotten a walk-off home run? It really seems to me that our park hurts us more than it helps us. And I think we can do this without totally compromising the pitchers.
at all in college athletics. Thanks for straightening that out for me genius.You stated that SEC baseball is superior to SEC football(that makes our facilities in both sports relevant). I believe that we are more likely to win the SEC or a NC in baseball than we are in football. Disagree? I would love to hear you spin on the subject.
What do we have that LSU, Ole Miss, USC, Florida, Georgia, Vandy, etc, don't have? Why should we be winning at the rate you say we should? Seriously, I want to know
Well said. I think the lack of home runs hurts. I like a pitchers dual like tonight, but most of the young guys these days crave the long ball. It's kinda like uniforms in football....the high school graduates are the ones we're trying to get to come to Starkville, if that means flashy uniforms or more home runs, so be it.
that a Thurs. night baseball game will never bring in a huge crowd. I do believe that we will have some good crowds this weekend, more than the 7500 that some on here have predicted. I agree with thepunch and judy sentiment, UK hit a ton of home runs during the latter part of his tenure,it is mind blowing thathe can't get similar productionhere at MSU. I looked up our records during the Polk II era and we were consistent winners every year up until his last. Polk was letting the program drop off, but our memories are short term on this subject. I truly believed that we had a few terrible teams during the Polk II, but in reality our numbers during that period are respectable. I just think that our fans were sick of what we then considerd mediocrity, then the unthinkable occurs, a losing record inbaseball at Mississippi State. Most fans were shocked like me, it was embarrassing and totally unexpected. Follow that with two horrible seasons under Cohen, the fans are no longer shocked if we go 23-36 and only win 10 or less SEC games. The shock of how bad we were in Polk's last yeariswhat most people remember about Polk II. Just go back and look at the year to year records, it is mind blowing how far we have fallen off. I support Cohen andIhope that we get on a roll and finish the season with momentum. If Cohen does not make a regional this year and if next year's team does not show significant improvent(def get a regional bid at the minimum, hopefully a super), we need to send him on his way for sure.
but two were under McMahon, my bad. Here is Polk II's last run at MSU, 2002 (34-24), 2003 (42-20), 2004 (35-24). 2005 (42-22), 2006 (37-23), 2007 (38-22) CWS, 2008 (23-33). Cohens stats. 2009 (25-29), 2010 (23-33), 2011 (38-22) Super regional, 2012 ( we will be fortunate to win 30-32 games this year). Polk II's record during his 8 year farewell tour, 251-168, Cohen's first 3 seasons, 86-87. I just don't get the idealogy that Cohen took over one of the worst programs(in shambles I tell ya) or situations in the nation. I hope that it was because we had always beenwinners on the baseball diamond. I hope that he turns this around, but the clock is ticking.
but what does UK have that we don't? Ole Miss? UT? With our tradition and facilities, we should at least be competetive in the SEC. We have anice stadium, but we can pack them in like nobody else when our fanbase is united. We also have theRaffyIndoor practice facility, which schools blow our facilities away? We should have just as much of a chanceof winning as those schools doand that used to be the case I just expect us to hover around .500 in SEC play and beat who we are supposed toin OOC games. That will put us in a regional most years and I expect us to sneak into a super or CWS a now and then. Why do I expect those results? We went to 3 CWSduring the 90's, 2during the 80's, 2 during the 70's, and we made an appearance in 2007 and attended 3 super regionals during the 2000-2007 time period. I don't think that I am asking fortoo much. I justdon't want tohave to worry about whether or not we makethe damnSEC tournament every year, it has been basically a given my entire life that we would play in Hoover(won two of those tourneysduring 2000-2007) and go to a regional. Before Cohen, we had participated in 11 regionals in the past 13 years and going back farther, 21 regionals in the past 25 years. We miss 4 regionals in 25 years, we will more than likely miss our 3rd this year in year 4 of Cohen's tenure. 31 consecutive winning seasons, 8 CWS, all on campus attendance records, we are not too shabby. Cohen has had more seasons with a losing record in three years than Polk and McMahon had in 32 years.
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I thought the goal was to get better each year and that obviously hasn't happen. I am willing to give Cohen one more year regardless but he really needs to get to the SEC tourney this year. I thinkif they can get a sweep this weekend they will be back in the hunt. With 10 teams going, they have a pretty good chance. I hope he turns it around and I am not on here starting a new topic about the same **** every 20 minutes like Lars and Coach 34 did with Stansbury. That what was pure ****.
and it finally hit rock bottom his last season- I've already showed how far behind talent-wise we have been the last 5 years- there is no dodging that by you.
Stop being an idiot. You can tout "history and facilities" all you want- bottom line is that we are a bottom half SEC program now
Stop being an idiot. You can tout "history and facilities" all you want- bottom line is that we are a bottom half SEC program now
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Not defending Polk here but didn't he take us to Omaha one of those years?
Where we finish in the SEC is not that important to me as long as we make Hoover and are in the running to host a regional. No one remembers where we finished last year but everyone remembers we were two innings from Omaha.
that we have had losing SEC seasons 8 of the last 10 years. We have finished in the bottom half of the SEC standings 7 of the last 10.
Polk made regionals 2 years when he finished 9th in the SEC- so while we made regionals those years, it shows where the program was- those are 6-6 Liberty Bowl seasons in football
Polk made regionals 2 years when he finished 9th in the SEC- so while we made regionals those years, it shows where the program was- those are 6-6 Liberty Bowl seasons in football
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