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What's the strategic decision to take so many commits in 2025 (we have the most in the country)?

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Morrischiano2

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We now have 27 commits for 2025, which is the most in the country. We have 22 seniors leaving after 2024. I wonder why we are taking so many kids in this cycle. This is not a negative post. I just want to discuss why we are taking so many this year (and yes, I know their is no annual cap on scholarship for a recruiting class anymore).

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mdk02

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I'm too lazy to do it, but I think you'd have to look at the number of recruits in the prior 3 years to analyze it.
 
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JayDogSmooth

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Reloading and increasing the talent pool

Some guys will eventually get “the talk” leading to their departures

That’s good thing

Additionally, there’s a possibility a few of our guys will get poached via NIL
 
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JayDogSmooth

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And also imagine some of these guys from the south I’m going to get homesick and not be too keen on the Jersey weather come winter, and they will transfer out somewhere closer to home

If it was primarily Northeast class, he may not of seen this many guys as they are used to the climate and that kind of stuff come winter
 
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RUPete

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What others said about inevitable attrition. It happened pre-NIL/portal and it's happening more than ever now. You have to plan for it.
 
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Doctor Worm

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gigantor1024 said:
Not all of these will count towards the actual scholarship year. EE, red shirt, grey shirt. Transfers out.
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Yes they will. 85 is 85. The only exception is grey shirt, which means that the player voluntarily agrees to delay enrollment until January 2026. Good luck with that.

The gambits you allude to were primarily to get around the 25 annual limit, which is now moot.
 
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Doctor Worm said:
Schiano's philosophy is to build a team the old fashioned way, through HS recruiting and retention. This is supplemented by selective use of the portal.

For many coaches nowadays, it's the exact opposite.
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I don't think he "wants to do it the old fashioned way" but instead he has to do it that way because we do not have enough money in our NIL coffer to be able to do it any other way. He does the smart play by developing players and using the NIL funds available to retain our top players (i.e., Monangai, Toure, etc.).
 
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Morrischiano2

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eddynyse said:
I don't think he "wants to do it the old fashioned way" but instead he has to do it that way because we do not have enough money in our NIL coffer to be able to do it any other way. He does the smart play by developing players and using the NIL funds available to retain our top players (i.e., Monangai, Toure, etc.).
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Yeah I think that is probably the thinking. There are 22 Srs leaving and we probably have less capacity to plug holes from the transfer portal so maybe there will be more Freshman and Sophs n the 2025 two-deep. 2025 might see an extremely young roster.

Conversely we might be training players in 2025 who will be on other rosters in 2027.
 
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RUinBoston

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Doctor Worm said:
Yes they will. 85 is 85. The only exception is grey shirt, which means that the player voluntarily agrees to delay enrollment until January 2026. Good luck with that.

The gambits you allude to were primarily to get around the 25 annual limit, which is now moot.
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There are always 1 or 2 that don't make the academics. And of course somebody will decommit. And we had some people portal out. But you also want to leave spots open for a late big shot commit or 2. So seems to me 27 at this stage is too many? But what do I know. I guess GS is such a nice guy he simply can't say no? But I worry we're writing checks we maybe can't cash?
 
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koleszar

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Morrischiano said:
Conversely we might be training players in 2025 who will be on other rosters in 2027.
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If that was going to happen it would have happened this year. There are several high quality, developed older players that would plug holes on teams and be solid contributors. Yet it didn't happen. By 2027 all teams will have a payroll, some will use it to chase plug and play, others for retention.

I like GS's system, the harder you work and better you become the more money you get. Everything's transparent and players know the deal. Instead of say a Colorado, where someone busting their *** gets replaced next year by a high-priced mercenary. That leads to resentment and discourse in the locker room.
 
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Plum Street

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koleszar said:
If that was going to happen it would have happened this year. There are several high quality, developed older players that would plug holes on teams and be solid contributors. Yet it didn't happen. By 2027 all teams will have a payroll, some will use it to chase plug and play, others for retention.

I like GS's system, the harder you work and better you become the more money you get. Everything's transparent and players know the deal. Instead of say a Colorado, where someone busting their *** gets replaced next year by a high-priced mercenary. That leads to resentment and discourse in the locker room.
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I hope you’re right .
 
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koleszar

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Plum Street said:
I hope you’re right .
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Well recruits and current players seem to be buying what he’s selling. So I’d say we’re beyond the hope stage. As the money is already there for others to poach and we don’t have much of it.
 
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Schiano is a master when it comes to roster management so there should be no fan worry concerning managing the incoming/outgoing flow. When NIL is in play for incoming athletes it is at a very high level five star and high 4 stars, we are not going to be a play in this NIL market regarding the use of available funds. Schiano has made the decision to use NIL funding to support retention, look no further than this year's senior class. Schiano is spending money on proven performance vs HS Potential and given the overall view of the college football landscape that makes the most sense for RU. The other aspect of the situation is the culture that has been created that makes kids more likely to stay when they feel valued and are also awarded with NIL money based on performance. There is no question that we will lose some of our 4th and fifth yr valued players the key is to minimize these losses through effective use of NIL and having a large developmental base.
In the long run revenue sharing may actually be a benefit to RU, and may help regulate NIL if it is properly and equitable rolled out (TBD)
 
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Joey Bags

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If you’re going to go the old school route of building a team with recruits out of high school, you have to take a ton of them since a good chunk will decommit with how recruiting works nowadays.
 
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JayDogSmooth

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NIL works 3 ways

The Miami Way, where you throw a ton of money at unproven high school kids, and some elite transfers like the quarterback Ward from Washington state

The FSU way, where they rarely will pay for high school kids, but will go balls to the wall for proven commodities out of the portal

And the Rutgers way, which given our NIL funding, is working tremendously (and what Greg said at the touchdown club meeting two years ago) which would primarily be used for player retention, with occasional one off for a blue chip prospect (Gavin)

I believe options two and three respectively will be how most schools operate moving forward
 
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RUBOB72

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RUinBoston said:
There are always 1 or 2 that don't make the academics. And of course somebody will decommit. And we had some people portal out. But you also want to leave spots open for a late big shot commit or 2. So seems to me 27 at this stage is too many? But what do I know. I guess GS is such a nice guy he simply can't say no? But I worry we're writing checks we maybe can't cash?
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What I find fascinating is that other institutions of higher learning…cough…are questioning our current recruiting tactics. Now that’s comical in the world of NIL. We hopefully can keep them all but the fact is we most likely won’t. People have knocked Schiano for being stubborn , not offensive minded and too strict. Like this RUinBoston post.. CLUELESS personified.
 
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NBKnight

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RUinBoston said:
There are always 1 or 2 that don't make the academics. And of course somebody will decommit. And we had some people portal out. But you also want to leave spots open for a late big shot commit or 2. So seems to me 27 at this stage is too many? But what do I know. I guess GS is such a nice guy he simply can't say no? But I worry we're writing checks we maybe can't cash?
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Who was the last guy that did not qualify academically? Greg says no all of the time. He is always very calculated, he is not randomly accepting commitments.
 
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RUBOB72

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Can’t remember the last player who DID NOT qualify. It used to be a standard thing which met with a great deal of ridicule.
 
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