I don't know you, but it seems that you just hate anything you consider to be liberal
That would be a pretty fair characterization of how I view most allegiance to Government or State sponsored income redistribution Original Mountaineer1. I'd accept that.
Know why?
Because It doesn't work. It is plain and simple designed failure, no matter how much you or the Left massages it, camouflages it, sanitizes it, homogenizes it, pasteurizes it, obfuscates it, or advocates it, the results are always the same.
Failure.
It's the only option you have to defend it...to lie about it or describe it as something other than what it is...Government's ultimate control or authority over every aspect of our lives in virtually every decision we make. You can't argue for its success rate or even it's effectiveness because by any way you want to measure it, it fails. The track record of Government income redistribution is riddled with defeat.
I don't have a problem debating any aspects of it because I enjoy arguing when I know I'm not arguing from a losing proposition. The Left almost entirely cannot defend Leviathan, because everywhere it is objectively measured, it has proven historically to be an abject failure. That is simply it's historical record.
State sponsored Socialism..or quite simply "Statism" is an unmitigated disaster anywhere it has been fully instituted.
The American people are not stupid. Deceived? Yes. Which is why the Left practices it's deception so expertly in its attempts to trick us into believing Government central control actually works better than Freedom.
But when it's exposed, compared, objectively evaluated, and particularly implemented against other solutions, it almost always comes up deficient and the American people understand this which is why when they are given a clear choice of it against Freedom, it is always rejected in favor of Freedom.
It's why they are systematically rejecting both its practice and premise. It doesn't work. It hasn't worked. It can't work. It will never work. More and more Americans are coming to realize this, so this is why the Left is becoming unglued on an almost daily basis. They're "God" is being summarily rejected by the people.
So you keep believing it will work one day OM, and like most on the Left you will continue to lose the argument with the American people unless that is of course you are still somehow able to deceive enough folks such as yourself who have also been expertly deceived about it, and blindly continue to support it.