Which Mindset is Appropriate?

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Option A)

We are just poor lil' ole MSU. We can't expect to compete with mighty Alabama. We can still have a great season (by MSU standards).

Option B)

If we aren't able to stay on the field with the teams in our division, what are we doing? The season is over, no SECCG yet again!

Obviously it's somewhere in between. Just wondering which way y'all are leaning. I'm more B right now. But if we managed to beat A&M, I guess it'd be back to A.

 

[RocketDawg]

Neither. Remove the "We're just lil ole MSU" and I'd go with A. We have a good team, just not as good as Alabama. But nobody else is either.

 

[NorCalDawg]

Look, most people on the board agreed going into the season that we are an 8-4 to 10-2 team and I was among those. An 8-4 season is a really good season by MSU standards and a 10-2 season is great by our standards. I don't look at us as "poor lil MSU" and I never really did. Previous to the current administration our problems were our own doing for the most part. We had an administration/athletic department that aspired to mediocrity, made poor some coaching hires (outside of JWS) and failed to correct them in a timely manner. But now, we are moving in the right direction, we have a progressive athletic department and coaching staff, we are bringing in the players we need to sustain 8-4 to 10-2 seasons for the foreseeable future, upgrading our facilities to SEC-level, and we are WINNING all the games we are supposed to. While I was wanting to believe we could keep up with Bama this year my head was telling me we wouldn't. We are going to have to have sustained 8-4 to 10-2 seasons before we will ever reach the level that a Bama is. Look at Bama; they have winning traditions that span decades! That is how they got to the level they are at now. When have we ever had that kind of winning tradition? Certainly not in the last several decades. Furthermore, we are in the strongest conference in all of NCAA football. Let's all try to keep our expectations real, people. I'm through venting. I'll shut and listen, now. Flame away.

 

[Temple of the Dawg]

Option A)

We are just poor lil' ole MSU. We can't expect to compete with mighty Alabama. We can still have a great season (by MSU standards).

Option B)

If we aren't able to stay on the field with the teams in our division, what are we doing? The season is over, no SECCG yet again!

Obviously it's somewhere in between. Just wondering which way y'all are leaning. I'm more B right now. But if we managed to beat A&M, I guess it'd be back to A.

I just really don't understand this mentality. We are working on our third winning season in a row. Alabama is working on their third NC in 4 seasons. Bama has a long history of college football greatness. We have a long history of football sucktitude. Honestly, between their talent and coaching, we can't realistically expect to compete with Bama right now. It is obvious that Dan is busting his tail to change that, but between our history and our obvious shortcomings (finances, "tradishun", etc.), it is going to take some time. In case you haven't noticed, essentially no one can stay on the field with Bama lately. Our failure to do so last night doesn't make us an abberation in the division. Honestly, until Saban moves on, we probably will lose to Bama 9 out of 10 times. That said, if Dan builds us into a consistent 8 or 9 win team a year, occassionally mixing in a 10 or even 11 win season, we are only going to grow as a program and become more attractive to players so that we can become a long term good to very good team. Doing that will allow us the possibility of having a great season. Our foundation has to be built.

 

[msstatelp1]

17 anyone that believes that "We are just poor lil' ole MSU" ****. We aren't where we want to be but we're a lot better than we've possibly ever been. Dan Mullen is getting us better year by year and our next step is to get the talent that will let us compete with Bama and LSU.

We can still have a great season by nearly anyone's standards if we play like we can for the next 4 games.

 

[FlabLoser]

None of the above.

We can compete with Bama - this year.

We are having a great season by anybody's standards.

 

[The Stache]

A
when the season started I figured we would lose to bama and lsu and have a chance to win the other games. If we can win 7 to 10 games every year i am pleased. we only won about 3 games a year when i went to state

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

None of the above.

We can compete with Bama - this year.

We are having a great season by anybody's standards.

What? We just got blown off the field by Bama. We weren't competitive in the least.

Is it a great season by anyone's standards if we're already eliminated from our division race?

 

[patdog]

Compared to Alabama, everybody is "just poor lil' ole ________ (fill in the blank)." Nobody in college football can compete with them. I'm not sure there aren't a couple of NFL teams that would lose to them.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Compared to Alabama, everybody is "just poor lil' ole ________ (fill in the blank)." Nobody in college football can compete with them. I'm not sure there aren't a couple of NFL teams that would lose to them.

2 things:

1) Alabama would lose by 70+ to the worst NFL team. They are undoubtedly the best college team in the country, but people who say that just sound like idiots. I'm sure they are just trying to be hyperbolic, but it bothers me all the same.

2) The difference between us and those other teams is that the overwhelming majority of them don't have Alabama in their own division. We have zero chance to win our division. We cannot win our conference. How many teams can say that at the beginning of almost every year? That is depressing. I don't care how much sunshine you pump.

 

[Shmuley]

I had us 8-4 with losses to AU, Bama, LSU and Arky (and I was seriously wavering on Tennessee). I say we're ahead of schedule if we can get by aTm.

 

[patdog]

2 things:

1) Alabama would lose by 70+ to the worst NFL team. They are undoubtedly the best college team in the country, but people who say that just sound like idiots. I'm sure they are just trying to be hyperbolic, but it bothers me all the same.

Bama would come a lot closer to beating the worst NFL team than they would to losing by 70. But I'm sure you were just being hyperbolic. Truth is, Bama would be fairly competitive against the worst NFL team. When you have 8 players drafted with 4 in the 1st round and are just as good the next year without those players, you've got NFL talent on your team. Not a few NFL players here and there. Your TEAM had legitimate NFL talent.

 

[dawgstudent]

Pat - Bama would murdered by a NFL team. I honestly can't believe you would type that.

TJ Yeldon would never reach a corner against an NFL team. The OL and DL would be blown up by a NFL team. No Alabama WR would ever get open. It would literally be boys against men.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Bama would come a lot closer to beating the worst NFL team than they would to losing by 70. But I'm sure you were just being hyperbolic. Truth is, Bama would be fairly competitive against the worst NFL team. When you have 8 players drafted with 4 in the 1st round and are just as good the next year without those players, you've got NFL talent on your team. Not a few NFL players here and there. Your TEAM had legitimate NFL talent.

This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read on here or anywhere. You know how many drafted players are on an NFL team? FIFTY 17ING THREE. There isn't a single player on the Chiefs' two-deep who wouldn't immediately start (and star) for Alabama...

 

[yakalot2]

Compared to Alabama, everybody is "just poor lil' ole ________ (fill in the blank)." Nobody in college football can compete with them. I'm not sure there aren't a couple of NFL teams that would lose to them.

I'd bet that Bama would like a shot at Carolina.

 

[SignalToNoise]

But I'm sure you were just being hyperbolic.

I thought you were being hyperbolic when you said that about NFL teams losing to Alabama. Wow.

 

[patdog]

Bama could stay within 35 against the worst NFL team, which is closer to winning than to losing by 70. Of course I was being a little hyperbolic when I said there were a few NFL teams they would beat. But not as much as saying they'd lose by 70. I stand by my statement that they'd be reasonably competitive against the worst NFL team.

 

[PBRME]

The previous 8 years before Mullen we were a combined 29-65. Year 4 we're 28-18. Anyone that is upset because we're not going to the SECCG needs to think long and hard about how far we've come since Dan took over. I don't like losing to Bama, but you have to realize that Bama is head and shoulders above 99% of college football. He may never get us to the SECCG, or he may get us there next year. Either way, as long as he keeps winning I'm happy with the results.

 

[dawgstudent]

You realize that the worst NFL team is an all star college team that plays together. It wouldn't even be a contest. The NFL team would have 40 by halftime.

 

[patdog]

Alabama's pretty much a college all-star team that plays together. They had 25-30 NFL draft picks playing on last years team and this year's team is arguably better than last year's. They wouldn't beat the Chiefs. But they wouldn't lose by 40+ either.