Who is DeMonte Russell’s backup on the DL ?
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I believe we can convert one of our 100 wide receiver signees to be in the DE rotation.****
No, and it'll all be blamed on Leach, even though we ran off all his players.
Joe Moorhead 2.
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We ran off his players? LOL
Mike Leach and Zach Arnett sucked at recruiting. They signed nothing in a lot of spots. The ones are gone aren't landing at P5 programs and we haven't really run off any in the defensive front.
Please name all the difference maker DLs that have been run off
Jacarius Clayton, Jonathan Davis, Caleb Bryant, Khalid Moore, Avery Sledge. Kalvin Dinkins isn't listed at 247 but Rosey said he's in the portal too, maybe he backed out.
There's a certain amount of attrition every year in the portal era, everybody knows that. If Lebby wants his guys, fine. But I don't see him bringing in guys that are better than what we had.
Why isn't anybody talking bout what happened to Russell? Why are all these players suddenly getting in trouble?
Jacarius Clayton is at Marshall.
Jonathan Davis, Khalid Moore, Caleb Bryant are committed to… Southern Miss.
All indications are Sledge will be at USM too.
Congrats Goat, you just made a complete *** of yourself. But that’s nothing new.
It's going to take time and a lot patience if we are going to get out of the hole we have fallen in, not this year anyway
Jacarius Clayton - Marshall
Jonathan Davis - Southern Miss
Caleb Bryant - Southern Miss
Khalid Moore - Southern Miss
Avery Sledge - Uncommitted
Based on where these guys ended up, doesn't appear to be major losses. Even if we are replacing them with similar quality level, just a weird hill to die on.
Typical MS players that used to be allowed to develop at a place like MSU. You think because they aren't full time "difference-making" starters during their lower class years on campus, then they aren't needed. Well, I'll give you a warning. If we are going to abandon the MS development pipeline by and large, and rather, TRY and start plucking better talent out of the portal to replace them, on the regular........well.....get ready boys. We are about to see how bad it can get.
Leach got 5 out of the top 10 in state players in that class I believe. that probably won’t happen again.
See I don't agree with this. Arnett dug us in a hole with high school recruiting, but Lebby fixed that. The rest is managing the portal, which we don't seem to have done a very good job of. He did land a QB, and that's important, so we'll see. Certainly lost some upperclass last year, but the roster was there to continue and at least be competitive.
I don’t know but he’s probably done. I guess we will see how you do playing with two D Lineman and no pass rush.
You are just making an unsubstantiated assumption that they were "run off". Players transfer all the time, especially after a coaching change. I find it hard to believe that Lebby just told these guys to hit the road. But at the same time, these are not irreplaceable guys. Both can be true.
It's one of two things:
- They were totally beaten out, and want to go elsewhere to play (this would make sense if they were true upper class guys);
- They were encouraged to go elsewhere,
It's hard for me to believe that these rising middle class guys would abandon a chance at future PT at MSU to go to USM, unless something else was amiss. And I'm certainly not seeing their replacement, and let's face it, we're talking about the depth here - we kinda already know the starters, the older guys. Or we did, until Russell pulled his garbage.
This is 2024. “Development” of college football players no longer exists. It’s not a path to success anymore….for us, or anyone else. No matter how much somebody improves between offseason #1 and offseason #2, there will now ALWAYS be somebody better who can step in immediately from elsewhere.
Reason #7,938 why the college football is now a godawful product that really just needs to be put out of its own misery. The only people left who can still invest their fandom in it are people who have too much emotional muscle memory to do anything else.
When it comes to transfers, it's never one of two things. Every situation is it's own situation. And it's usually a combination of multiple factors, as is the case for most major life decisions.
Jonathan Davis and Khalid Moore are from south MS, maybe they just wanted to be back closer to home? Maybe Caleb Bryant is close with them and opted to join them?
Jacarius Clayton was TE last year, so he's had a strange time at MSU and that could have soured him.
It could be potential playing time, personal issues, not meshing with the new staff or countless other reasons. Sometime guys just want a fresh start. I see no reason to just place the blame on Lebby and staff for "running off" players with nothing to back it up.
I just don't buy into that. Does it cost some NIL? Yeah. But I'd much rather spend our limited NIL money on keeping guys here who develop early, rather than straight up buying overpriced transfers, who we won't ever compete for anyway.
Only guys we can get out of the portal are G5 guys and P5 bench warmers - and hey, we need to do that too.
Fine. And I see no reason to just place blame on Leach for bad recruiting when Lebby loses, since most of his players are gone, one way or another.
The funny part about this to me is even though on paper coach Leach's last couple of recruiting classes didn't look good at all, I have a feeling he would have somehow found a way to win (not championships or making the playoffs) more than he lost with them . I guess that's what made him who he was.
Leach didn’t ever recruit well wherever he was. A lot of that was just based on the jobs he took that weren’t exactly the hot places to go play college football but he always made it work in the end.
Leach knew how to spot talent, work the portal with charlton, matthews, green, banks, Polk, lasoya. He also knew how to develop talent and run a disciplined program. He went 9-4 in his third year during the NIL era. I doubt that’s duplicated at State under the current system.
Most of those players redshirted and have been here at least two years. They didn't develop. One was a lazy sack that Arnett was going to run off before he got fired.
And even with all that, his 21, 22, 23 classes were ranked 27, 26, 27 - just like Mullen's always were.
Not to mention he actually does probably make the 12-team playoffs in 2008 and 2018. And he likely would have had us rising too after a few years.
That dufus Todd4State getting torched on SEC Rant. lol
Mississippi State Player in TROUBLE
Mississippi State Player in TROUBLE - Apparently a state player has beaten a kid so severely in a fight that the kid has a broken neck and a brain bleed. Is this t
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Hmm, this sort of thing seems familiar.....
Moorhead's guys. Leach finally got them under control once all the COVID crap died down. Now we're back under a player's coach again, and here they go.....
Moorhead's guys. Leach finally got them under control once all the COVID crap died down. Now we're back under a player's coach again, and here they go.....
I loved the U back in the day but it seems like a little discipline is gonna have to come back to Starkvegas. Lebby suddenly has players with weed arrests, DUI arrests and now this assault that is gonna wind up being manslaughter at best ?? Come on man.
Some folks can run a loose ship, and keep a handle on it. Jimmy Johnson, like you said, Pete Carroll, and our own King Jackie. But once it gets away, it's like a waterfall. But those guys differ from Joe Moorhead, who was a total pansy. We will see which one Lebby is but it doesn't look good.
Nobody is talking about it. And most people are kinda wondering who the victim is, because that could get.....explosive.
Wonderful. Looks like Lebby is bringing that Baylor look the other way on crime culture with him.
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