Who would you call a home run hire?
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Yep, years ago. He's done nothing much the last several years, despite having incredible talent.
If he can't do it there, how can he do it here with considerably less talent but against the same competition?
not going to list the UN-ATAINABLE
1) Tressel - baggage does not outweigh where we MUST recruit to be successful
2) Tom Coughlin - he still has fire
3) Brian Billik - I am a Ravens Fan
4) Doc By Gawd Holliday - he just wins
5) Willie Fritz - he is a proven winner - even at Tulane
1) Tressel - baggage does not outweigh where we MUST recruit to be successful
2) Tom Coughlin - he still has fire
3) Brian Billik - I am a Ravens Fan
4) Doc By Gawd Holliday - he just wins
5) Willie Fritz - he is a proven winner - even at Tulane
A home run hire resume would look something like this
-P5 Head coaching experience
-winning record
-bowl game appearances
-record of being top recruiter
-record of productive Offense
-record of players getting to pros
-name recognition
...that list is small, and out of those individuals 1 would realistically at least consider UK because all the others have better, easier jobs, making more money...
Lane Kiffin...and the potential bonus he could bring to the table is Sark as OC, another guy who checks those boxes.
So with one hire UK could bring two guys that check all the home run boxes.
The only other guy who may be a very slim possibility is Chip Kelly if things go south in San Fran. However, he will have his pick of colleges.
-P5 Head coaching experience
-winning record
-bowl game appearances
-record of being top recruiter
-record of productive Offense
-record of players getting to pros
-name recognition
...that list is small, and out of those individuals 1 would realistically at least consider UK because all the others have better, easier jobs, making more money...
Lane Kiffin...and the potential bonus he could bring to the table is Sark as OC, another guy who checks those boxes.
So with one hire UK could bring two guys that check all the home run boxes.
The only other guy who may be a very slim possibility is Chip Kelly if things go south in San Fran. However, he will have his pick of colleges.
You begin the post by saying you won't list unattainable candidates.. And then your first 3 are unattainable. Haha
I like your parameters, but not sure I agree that Kiffin is the only one that UK can get that meets those qualifications (and really highly doubt Kiffin would take a job at UK).
No way Id want Kiffin as a HC. Hes yet to win anywhere as a HC, even given immense talent. His skill at Alabama has an OC is even questionable. He probably cost them a title by continuing to throw the ball against OSU.
No way Mitch brings Sark. Not after BCG. No way.
I would love a Chip Kelly type guy that has a definite style of play, now NFL experience, was a head coach in a good conference but I think he might be OK at SF and be there a little while and not sure he would consider UK but it would put him back into a power conference plus his wide open style sometimes gives the SEC teams trouble however those Oregon teams were all speed and not thick strong players and might get beat up. How fun would it be thought to see his style and speed just burn up a team like Miss St or Vandy, just drop 60 pts on them?
they just extended him thru 2020 at the end of last year. not listed on current hot seat coaches. don't know where you get that from.
Kiffin is no longer in a position to be snubbing his nose at anyone, he's had bit of a fall from grace. Back when he was still a hot up and comer with programs like USC, UT, and pro teams sniffing around he could laugh at UK.
That is not the case anymore and he knows it.
The fact that he has a little baggage, has been humbled, and no longer the a top candidate for elite programs is why UK has a more realistic shot.
Yet to win anywhere? 7-6 at UT, 28-15 at USC. I understand that is sub par at those places, but UK and UK fans are in no position to be turning down a coach who has won 60 percent of his games.
He offenses at Bama have been nothing short of dominant. Just like they were when he was at USC. He has good QB production, dominant running game, and receivers who light it up.
We are in no position to be turning down Lane Kiffin.
This idea that some hot up and coming coach who is undoubtedly on the radar of bigger programs, with no baggage is going to give UK a serious thought is asinine.
We do not get the crown jewel. We get the jewel that has fallen to the ground and gotten a little dirty.
We don't get guys on the way up, we get them after they've hit a bump or two and are now back down on earth.
Lane Kiffin is best case scenario in terms of resume and pedigree.
UK's more realistic options are some crazy unconventional guy from Valdosta St, an old retired coach, or the top assistant of those guys...
If you consider that winning at those two programs, then we're definitely going to have a fundamental difference of opinion. If he struggles to win at those places (especially considering UT is in the same conference and division), with that talent (while landing each on probation, iirc), hows he going to make it happen at UK?
Hes been a train wreck everywhere hes been, with the exception of Bama. That likely has more to do with Bama than Lane. UK can do better than overpaying for a proven failure at HC.
0-2 to start the season, lost to Eastern Washington at home. Just looking at their schedule they could easily go 2-10 this season. I see them going 3-9 after they way they started the season. They will beat Idaho (but if they don't look out), after that the only game I see them winning is Colorado and maybe Oregon State. Coaches get extensions all the time and get fired after a really bad season. Just look at all the extensions we have handed out.
There is one other category of coach that could have success here, and that is somebody who may not have legit P5 experience but has had consistent success at lower tier programs.
Somebody like June Jones who won at Hawaii and SMU or Ken Niumatalolo who has a winning record at Navy every year and gets them to a bowl. Guys who can win at those types of places I think could win at UK.
All in all I think we need to get away from guys with no HC experience.
Somebody like June Jones who won at Hawaii and SMU or Ken Niumatalolo who has a winning record at Navy every year and gets them to a bowl. Guys who can win at those types of places I think could win at UK.
All in all I think we need to get away from guys with no HC experience.
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Moos>Barnhart. I seriously doubt he's fired, even IF he has a bad season. we'll see.
I am using the geezer theory - because it did work with Rich Brooks and it may just by gawd work again - what the hell we got to lose at this point
okay why would they be Un-Atainable? My opinion is that all are attainable and your opinion is
Love how some people list Kiffin and say he has been humbled and won't screw up again! Where the EFF was this sentiment when Petrino was available????!!!! I am part of the stupidest fan base/administration in America! We want to win, but we won't do anything remotely resembling what needs to be done to win! We are so dumb, we are really dumb!!!!!!
He actually kept them in the game against Ohio State but feel free to continue to revise history as you wish.
okay why would they be Un-Atainable? My opinion is that all are attainable and your opinion is
Coughlin hasnt coached in college since 1980 and Billick hasnt coached in college since 1990.
Both ahve good gigs making a ton of money.
At 70, are you sure Tom wants to get in the rat race of recruiting...?
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Guess you forgot that Bama jumped out to an early lead, which everyone just knew would mean certain victory thanks to their ground game.
Except lane decided to air it out
I remember the game vividly as I was actually there.
Ohio State moved the ball at will against the vaunted Saban/Smart defense. Inviting the Bucks to stack 8 in the box by going conservative would have been a disaster.
A "home run" hire and UK in the same sentence is an oxymoron. No established coach with a P5 track record of success is coming near UK, unless they're seriously damaged goods....
Good lawyer friend in Birmingham told me the reason he has been successful at Bama is because Saben plays much like a dad role for him. If he gets out of line he knows the consequences after the fact and it was laid out when he interviewed for the job. As most everyone saw during the 4th against WKU it was dad vs son argument.
The banging of coeds was a Auburn thing that got traction after the pic then throw in the divorce which made it grab even tighter
We have a coach that's more than likely back next year , so I'm not going to suggest anyone as it's a waste of time . Having said that , UK needs some good at X and O's , discipline , coaching players to minimize mistakes . Someone who can get the most out of his players , is organized and develop lesser talent as that's what they'll likely get here . Rich Brooks was kinda like that , he started in a deficit so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt . Bill Parcells suggested Brooks to Mitch when he turned down the job .
He's 35-21 in college. 63% winning percentage basically 2 of 3 games. First year at UT he improved their record by 3 wins and brought in a top 5-10 recruiting class. He was handicapped at USCw because of the probation. Obviously he is a fantastic offensive mind or Saban wouldn't have brought him on.
I'm going to throw my hat in, but first let me say, my option #1 is for Stoops to figure it out so that we won't have to hire anyone else. With that being said, here's my top five:
1) Tressel
2) Rex Ryan
3) Richt
3) Miles
4) Kiffin
1) Tressel
2) Rex Ryan
3) Richt
3) Miles
4) Kiffin