Why are Mississippi Folks so fat?

[DerHntr]

See Raiderdawg's post and there's your answer. Also sweet drinks are a segment of junk food that will get you in trouble not just because of the sugar content but because of how high their specific gravity is. The kidney's can't do their job nearly as efficiently when there's liquid being pumped through them as concentrated as modern sodas.

And further, the poverty argument fails when you zoom out of the United States. Some of the lowest income countries have the lowest obesity rates world wide.

Raiderdawg said what I said with more words and examples. I said in my first post, “Your diet and activity level have almost everything to do with it.”

Plus, you just contradicted yourself. You posted that diet has very little to do with it and that sleep and genetics are more important. Where are sleep and genetics in his post? You’re now on the sugary drink argument too. Sugary drinks are part of your diet, which you said was insignificant.

Lastly, I never said anything about poverty.

 

[patdog]

It's too moist. Everything swells up in the moisture.

Not everything.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

Raiderdawg said what I said with more words and examples. I said in my first post, “Your diet and activity level have almost everything to do with it.”

Plus, you just contradicted yourself. You posted that diet has very little to do with it and that sleep and genetics are more important. Where are sleep and genetics in his post? You’re now on the sugary drink argument too. Sugary drinks are part of your diet, which you said was insignificant.

Lastly, I never said anything about poverty.

Compared to those three things, yes, diet it is probably the least important variable when it comes to obesity and/or being overweight. Proper sleep helps lower cortisol levels while reducing cravings and a lack of sleep can slow down your metabolic rate and lead to stress eating. Also, exercise doesn't just mean going to the gym, playing tennis and running stadium steps, studies have shown that what you do while you're working can be grouped in with activity levels:

From elsewhere on the web:

"Around 8,200 steps and above seems to be the sweet spot for seriously reducing the risk of conditions including obesity, sleep apnea, gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD), and major depressive disorder.

The researchers also found that overweight people who increased their daily steps from 6,000 to 11,000 were 64 percent less likely to become obese than those who maintained the same daily step count."

You lump all of the above in with a genetic lineage who tends to be wirey/thin, and diet comes in dead last.

 

[wdawg44]

For MS, I think you have to look at demographic breakdowns, in certain circles, being skinny is not desirable, in fact the opposite is the case (fat is considered sexy). Plus the poorer one is the more they enjoy what they can enjoy, food is cheap in the land of plenty, poor folks care less about living long lives an being healthy.

The "food desert" ideology is silly. It is cheaper to eat salads than any other food. Open a salad bar and a Popeye's next door to each other, the salad bar will go broke quickly.

When the only "grocery store" you have in a 30 mile radius is 6 DG'S you are 17'd even if you want to eat healthy. When I lived in Brandon/reservoir area 2 years ago I would have to go to 3 different Kroger to get decent produce.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

When the only "grocery store" you have in a 30 mile radius is 6 DG'S you are 17'd even if you want to eat healthy. When I lived in Brandon/reservoir area 2 years ago I would have to go to 3 different Kroger to get decent produce.

Dude, if the customers wanted healthy food, local vendors (gas stations/DGs) would supply it. Keeping a hot line of mostly fried food going from 10-1 is more expensive, labor intensive and much more a PITA than keeping a salad bar going in the same situation.

 

[DerHntr]

Compared to those three things, yes, diet it is probably the least important variable when it comes to obesity and/or being overweight. Proper sleep helps lower cortisol levels while reducing cravings and a lack of sleep can slow down your metabolic rate and lead to stress eating. Also, exercise doesn't just mean going to the gym, playing tennis and running stadium steps, studies have shown that what you do while you're working can be grouped in with activity levels:

From elsewhere on the web:

"Around 8,200 steps and above seems to be the sweet spot for seriously reducing the risk of conditions including obesity, sleep apnea, gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD), and major depressive disorder.

The researchers also found that overweight people who increased their daily steps from 6,000 to 11,000 were 64 percent less likely to become obese than those who maintained the same daily step count."

You lump all of the above in with a genetic lineage who tends to be wirey/thin, and diet comes in dead last.

In your first paragraph you reference eating twice (cravings and stress eating). That’s diet. I don’t know if you’re just digging in your heels or you actually don’t know what you’re saying. There are a lot of reasons why people eat too much, but the point is they eat too much compared to activity.

Then you reference activity levels, which I’ve said in every reply to you. What do you think increasing your steps means? It’s more activity. If you then eat thousands of calories above the increased steps, you still won’t lose weight. I bet in that study, the people who increased their steps were actively trying to maintain or reduce their caloric intake as well.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

In your first paragraph you reference eating twice (cravings and stress eating). That’s diet. I don’t know if you’re just digging in your heels or you actually don’t know what you’re saying. There are a lot of reasons why people eat too much, but the point is they eat too much compared to activity.

Then you reference activity levels, which I’ve said in every reply to you. What do you think increasing your steps means? It’s more activity. If you then eat thousands of calories above the increased steps, you still won’t lose weight. I bet in that study, the people who increased their steps were actively trying to maintain or reduce their caloric intake as well.

Maybe, I don't know, but I do know I've known a lot of people who partake of the western diet. Some of them are fat, some aren't. The ones who aren't don't focus on one aspect of the health continuum.

 

[mstateglfr]

Likely the same folks that said that spanking kids was bad, we should pay for gender transition surgery for minors and to blindly take the jab. Common sense tells you this is silly. If folks in the hood, or a small delta town, would rather spend their money on salads than fried foods, then the vendors would supply that. It is cheaper to provide someone grilled chicken breast and salads than fried chicken and rice and gravy.

Don't be a simp, don't be lemming, question everything.

None of this has jack 17 to do with the concept of food deserts.

To be clear, that is desert with one S. The dry sandy place and not the sweet foods. Just want to make sure we are on the same page here since this thread is about obesity.

Also, common sense does not tell us that spanking is good.

 

[Wesson Bulldog]

 

[OG Goat Holder]

For MS, I think you have to look at demographic breakdowns, in certain circles, being skinny is not desirable, in fact the opposite is the case (fat is considered sexy). Plus the poorer one is the more they enjoy what they can enjoy, food is cheap in the land of plenty, poor folks care less about living long lives an being healthy.

The "food desert" ideology is silly. It is cheaper to eat salads than any other food. Open a salad bar and a Popeye's next door to each other, the salad bar will go broke quickly.

Surprised you haven’t been called, something, yet.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

I get the feeling that very few people here are on board with what RFK Jr is working on. I for one believe in what he is doing.

There are poisons in our food that are slowly killing us

RFK Jr and his merry band of idiots are literally the worst case scenario for our health care system.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Also, common sense does not tell us that spanking is good.

It’s Proverbial

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Don't be a simp, don't be lemming, question everything.

This screams “I have confirmation bias.”

 

[Curby]

RFK Jr and his merry band of idiots are literally the worst case scenario for our health care system.

I don't know. Can't get much worse than it's been.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

I don't know. Can't get much worse than it's been.

Just hide and watch

 

[Curby]

Just hide and watch

Nothing will ever top the Covid disaster.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Nothing will ever top the Covid disaster.

 

[johnson86-1]

Add to that, the cheapest food is the worst food for you.

The easiest food is terrible for you. Most fat people have plenty of chips and soda, neither of which are cheap.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

 

[johnson86-1]

All the sociologists, nutritionists, and economists who have conducted studies and analyzed data are wrong?
Food deserts as a concept are silly?


Interesting take.

Blaming food deserts for obesity is pretty silly. There probably are food deserts out there and poor people living in them that can’t drive to get decent food, but it has approximately .000001% to do with obesity.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Blaming food deserts for obesity is pretty silly. There probably are food deserts out there and poor people living in them that can’t drive to get decent food, but it has approximately .000001% to do with obesity.

It’s not the smoking gun to obesity but food deserts do play a part in it. You can’t not see that.

 

[hdogg]

Blaming food deserts for obesity is pretty silly. There probably are food deserts out there and poor people living in them that can’t drive to get decent food, but it has approximately .000001% to do with obesity.

Counterpoint... France. Their deserts suck, and they are all fat. Also Belgium, waffles and chocolates and a whole nation of fatties.

 

[dog12]

"Food desert?"

I had to look that one up. I'd never heard of that term . . . until now. Sounds like a term made up by academics to justify the funding of a study.

Generally speaking . . . doesn't poverty, a lack of resources, and poor health (obesity) go hand-in-hand? Do we need a study to tell us that?

 

[sidexside]

In an effort to increase site traffic so DS gets a new Samsung frame before kickoff ..why are we so fat as a state. I know other states are as well but watch an MSU game on tv the fan base is obese.
Food?
Poor choice for nutrition ?
Genetics?
Sedentary lifestyle?

Oral antibiotic, most rx per person in US. Temp day/night swings and respiratory problem. Gut bacteria changes.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Because you can buy Little Debbie’s. Chips, Cokes,McDonald’s , etc with an EBT Card.

 

[HumpDawgy]

 

[Podgy]

The two most childhood vaccinated states are West Virginia and Mississippi. The two fattest states are West Virginia and Mississippi. It wasn’t until 2023 Mississippi started allowing for religious exemptions with regards to childhood vaccines. West Virginia law currently still does not allow for religious or philosophical exemptions to mandatory school vaccinations.

I had no idea Einstein was a State grad.

 

[Podgy]

All the sociologists, nutritionists, and economists who have conducted studies and analyzed data are wrong?
Food deserts as a concept are silly?


Interesting take.

For the most part yeah. Poor people often make a variety of poor choices.

 

[Podgy]

I get the feeling that very few people here are on board with what RFK Jr is working on. I for one believe in what he is doing.

There are poisons in our food that are slowly killing us

He might be the dumbest and worst pick ever for a health and science agency. Still he might come up with a few good ideas about food additives. Obesity has been declining since his selection. Trump should make those GLP-1 drugs free or at least covered by insurance. Obesity rates would dramatically decline. Check out all the new middle and upper-middle class moms in their 40s and 50s with slim bods they show off to each other and, hopefully, share with their husbands.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

Lack of vigorous sexual activity.
Coupling.
Not with yourself.

 

[golferdog]

The two most childhood vaccinated states are West Virginia and Mississippi. The two fattest states are West Virginia and Mississippi. It wasn’t until 2023 Mississippi started allowing for religious exemptions with regards to childhood vaccines. West Virginia law currently still does not allow for religious or philosophical exemptions to mandatory school vaccinations.

I've eaten fried food, fast food, processed food and junk food all of my life and I'm nowhere close to fat. Your diet has very little to do with it.

There are more and more overweight people everywhere because they live a sedentary lifestyle. Many don't care to move or exercise. Couple that with a poor diet and you'll be overweight.

 

[The Peeper]

In an effort to increase site traffic so DS gets a new Samsung frame before kickoff ..why are we so fat as a state. I know other states are as well but watch an MSU game on tv the fan base is obese.
Food?
Poor choice for nutrition ?
Genetics?
Sedentary lifestyle?

 

[mstateglfr]

"Food desert?"

I had to look that one up. I'd never heard of that term . . . until now. Sounds like a term made up by academics to justify the funding of a study.

Generally speaking . . . doesn't poverty, a lack of resources, and poor health (obesity) go hand-in-hand? Do we need a study to tell us that?

You had to look the term up? It was taught to me like 25 years ago in school and is a consistently discussed issue in society/economics/city planning/rural access discussions.


Point is, just because you somehow tuned out for more than a quarter century doesn't mean its a made up term to justify research spending.

 

[hailmari1]

Those are important for sure and genetics can make it a lot harder or easier to be slim… but diet is by far the most important. Unless you’re training for the Olympics or something, you’re very unlikely to out exercise a bad diet.

Exactly. Sleeping 8 hours and walking a mile a day doesn’t matter if you’re consuming 4000 calories a day too.

 

[johnson86-1]

It’s not the smoking gun to obesity but food deserts do play a part in it. You can’t not see that.

I mean, out of the 140+ million obese people, are there a few hundred or maybe few thousand people that live in a food desert, don't have car or an access to a car or public transportation, and would eat healthy if they had better food options within easy walking distance? Sure, there probably are. But that's just wishful thinking by people that don't want to think people are accountable for their choices.

Just to put it in perspective, around 8% of US households don't have a car. Most of those are going to be in urban areas with public transit. And I can't prove it, but I suspect that people without cars mostly aren't fatter than average. It's hard to walk everywhere and be fat, so you're talking mostly about people that are practically shut-ins or have ready access to public transit, in which case they presumably have access to food also.

People in food deserts are mostly fat for the same reason people out of food deserts are fat. It's easy to grab a bag of chips. It's easy to grab a coke. And they're tasty. It's not really hard and it's definitely not expensive to make beans or lentils. But that's not what fat people want. And that's why when you see a basically glorified convenience store acting as a grocery store in what could really be classified as a food desert, they don't sell beans and canned vegetables and other cheap, healthy food that are shelf stable. They have chips and soda and probably a freaking icee machine or something similar and probably ice cream in their frozen aisle. It'd be more accurate to say that fat people cause food deserts than to say that food deserts cause fat people.

 

[thekimmer]

In an effort to increase site traffic so DS gets a new Samsung frame before kickoff ..why are we so fat as a state. I know other states are as well but watch an MSU game on tv the fan base is obese.
Food?
Poor choice for nutrition ?
Genetics?
Sedentary lifestyle?

Very simple. Long term intake of surplus calories. The contributing factors of lifestyle, food choices, etc. are not so simple.

 

[thedoubledeuce]

He might be the dumbest and worst pick ever for a health and science agency.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

I mean, out of the 140+ million obese people, are there a few hundred or maybe few thousand people that live in a food desert, don't have car or an access to a car or public transportation, and would eat healthy if they had better food options within easy walking distance? Sure, there probably are. But that's just wishful thinking by people that don't want to think people are accountable for their choices.

Just to put it in perspective, around 8% of US households don't have a car. Most of those are going to be in urban areas with public transit. And I can't prove it, but I suspect that people without cars mostly aren't fatter than average. It's hard to walk everywhere and be fat, so you're talking mostly about people that are practically shut-ins or have ready access to public transit, in which case they presumably have access to food also.

People in food deserts are mostly fat for the same reason people out of food deserts are fat. It's easy to grab a bag of chips. It's easy to grab a coke. And they're tasty. It's not really hard and it's definitely not expensive to make beans or lentils. But that's not what fat people want. And that's why when you see a basically glorified convenience store acting as a grocery store in what could really be classified as a food desert, they don't sell beans and canned vegetables and other cheap, healthy food that are shelf stable. They have chips and soda and probably a freaking icee machine or something similar and probably ice cream in their frozen aisle. It'd be more accurate to say that fat people cause food deserts than to say that food deserts cause fat people.

Since it’s hard to read, this is a map showing food insecurity which is a combination of poverty rates and accessibility to nutritious food (food deserts)

Pretty obvious why the south tends to be the unhealthiest part of the country. Access to good sources to food and income absolutely play a part in this. And I totally get that people make poor choices, hell I do it all the time.

 

[MSTerritoryDog]

it’s all about how we get from point A to point B.

Automobiles are a necessity in MS, We often must take them to commute to work/grocery store and can park within feet of the destination.

Automobiles are a hassle in big cities. Walking is oftentimes much more convenient.

I worked in DC for a few days. Could not imagine owning a car there. Walked 5 miles every day and didn’t think twice about it. That was going to and from the office and lunch. Spent the same amount of time walking in DC then as I do driving to work now. That makes a huge difference!

I disagree with the narrative that MS is lazy. It’s that our commuting method is so much different. Yes, we also have an unhealthy eating problem, but it’s the method of us getting from A to B that hurts us the most.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

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He’s more qualified than RFK.