Why Flood will get terminated for cause

DJ Spanky

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The second investigation is at the Athletic Department level, not for a specific program.
 

Knight Shift

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Looks like Julie or somebody in her department may go too if there was a failure to follow internal drug testing policies:
http://www.ncaa.org/health-and-safety/policy/frequently-asked-questions-about-drug-testing
What is the penalty for failing a school-issued drug test?


Each NCAA member is responsible for determining whether to establish an institutional drug-testing program, at which time the school would be responsible for determining applicable penalties. If a testing program is established, though, the school is obligated to enforce the penalties. Failure to do so can lead to NCAA sanctions.
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Julie's letter of contract:
"A termination for cause provision to include the following provision, among others: . . . .
disregard of duty to ensure all staff under your supervision and student-athletes abide by Academic Integrity policy; . . .
violation of your responsibilities related to the NCAA, any conference Rutgers is affiliated with, any internal policy, or any compliance effort or investigation;"

"Hermann Shall know and comply with all applicable rules, regulations and
requirements of the NCAA, the BIG EAST Conference, the Big Ten conference or any
other conference/organization of which Rutgers is a member,, and of Rutgers Athletics"

"Hermann, as Director, is responsible for using all reasonable means, to assure
that employees in the Division of Intercollegiate Athletics and student athletes know and
comply with the standards set forth in Section X. A above,"
 

mdh2003

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The beauty of hiring the independent law firm.
I linked to the coaches contracts. It looks like (If I'm reading correctly), that if Flood gets fired for cause, the assistant's contracts become null. That would save a decent amount of $$.

http://records.rutgers.edu/frequently-requested-documents/frequently-requested-documents
How much are we really saving when it's all said and done? Too bad we can't act like a big boy for once and just can someone. Whatever we do, I can't see how RU won't look like fools. At least it's fun to watch.
 

RickDaglessMD

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The beauty of hiring the independent law firm.
I linked to the coaches contracts. It looks like (If I'm reading correctly), that if Flood gets fired for cause, the assistant's contracts become null. That would save a decent amount of $$.

http://records.rutgers.edu/frequently-requested-documents/frequently-requested-documents

I only looked at Browning's since it was the first one (but I assume they're all identical). Looks like, if Flood is canned for cause, then the assistants get 90 days to find a new job. If they start a new job before that 90 day period is up, then the contract ceases at that point.

So, they wouldn't be automatically off the books, but it's still a pretty tidy short-term pay cut. Still, it seems a bit like the sons bearing the sins of the father (even though the AC's are not all blameless for this mess). But hey, they signed the contract.
 
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jmc11201

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That would be absurd. Why would anyone want to coach here if we will tie ourselves in knots to nickel and dime our coaching staff and ruin their reputations in the process. As the above posters write...if you want him out, just fire him and do it the right way. Pennywise, pound foolish.
 

Ridge 22

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will make it that much tougher to sign a contract with a new coach. This is pretty much RU backstabbing Flood to get out of paying a pittance of a buyout. It's pretty disgraceful and underhanded.

Agree. I want Flood out as much as anyone, but this is not the right way to handle business. We should just honor our commitments and move on. It is very 'Rutgers' though.
 

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That would be absurd. Why would anyone want to coach here if we will tie ourselves in knots to nickel and dime our coaching staff and ruin their reputations in the process. As the above posters write...if you want him out, just fire him and do it the right way. Pennywise, pound foolish.

I can find you many better coaches and recruiters that would agree to the terms.


When flood asked for the extension it was based on security for recruiting. the state of nj had a bumper crop this year. He did not produce the results.
 

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It was unofficially stated in another thread that an attempt was made to fire Flood for cause after the e-mail fiasco and arrest scandal in September, but his lawyer threatened to sue the university for defamation of character. IF that is true, then Rutgers' hand was basically forced into initiating a more in-depth investigation of the football program. Assuming that this investigation findings conclude more egregious conduct and broken rules than were already made public two months ago, then Flood should be fired for cause and not paid a single penny more than the university is absolutely required to. The current coaching assistants/coordinators should be evaluated based on merit, as well as potential replacement by staff that a new coach would seek to bring in.
 

RC1971

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I am concerned with posters who want our coaches and Flood to leave with no or very little money. First there is a matter of morality on the part of the University. These guys worked freaking hard for RU football (including Flood). Certainly with the staff coaches there are no issues of impropriety that we know of. Also how do you attract a new staff of successful coaches if RU reneges or weasels its way out of paying for the coaches that are dismissed, Fire Flood the answer is yes. New coach brings in his own staff again yes and which will cause the dismissal of the current staff. But RU must honor those contracts including Flood's. As to the suspension and fine he was penalized already and you do not punish someone twice for the same wrongful acts. Again, if other issues emerge via the investigation then all bets are off.
 

Abro1975

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Will never happen. Jimmy Sexton would go public and make the RU job even more toxic than it is now, then Floods legal team would embarrass the administration and tie them up in court. If a change is made a quiet 'settlement ' will be made w Flood and staff getting the bulk of what's owed.
 
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rutgers48

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The beauty of hiring the independent law firm.
I linked to the coaches contracts. It looks like (If I'm reading correctly), that if Flood gets fired for cause, the assistant's contracts become null. That would save a decent amount of $$.

http://records.rutgers.edu/frequently-requested-documents/frequently-requested-documents

You do realize that just because Rutgers deems something to be "for cause" doesn't mean Flood and his attorneys have to agree with it, right? Hence, litigation. Unless something absolutely crazy comes up, firing for cause is not going to be worth it when weighed against potential litigation and more bad press. Of course, this is Rutgers so it wouldn't surprise me if they take the most inefficient and troublesome path here: par for the course.
 
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kupuna133

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The fire for cause ship has more than likely sailed. Just like in the Rice case, any lawyer can poke giant holes in Rutgers case. If Flood was such a risk to the University and the players under his control the move for cause needed to be made in August/September. The data that they are pouring through are things that have been discussed here ad nauseum. There are no new details. If there was a giant cover up we have a hell of a bigger problem then just coaches contract.
 
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DJ Spanky

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There are Rutgers policies for athletics which are not in line with Big Ten policies for athletics, so the focus is on the differences and what needs to be done to pull ourselves in line with the Big Ten.
 

RU5781

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Will never happen. Jimmy Sexton would go public and make the RU job even more toxic than it is now, then Floods legal team would embarrass the administration and tie them up in court. If a change is made a quiet 'settlement ' will be made w Flood and staff getting the bulk of what's owed.

That's what will be done...RU still benefits.
 

lighty

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That would be absurd. Why would anyone want to coach here if we will tie ourselves in knots to nickel and dime our coaching staff and ruin their reputations in the process. As the above posters write...if you want him out, just fire him and do it the right way. Pennywise, pound foolish.

They could always open the bank for the next coach. I sort of agree with what you posted, but Flood was basically a temporarily hire that we kind of got stuck with. I doubt they would have done some of these things if Flood won out a national coaching search. He didn't. He was hired in a panic. Truth is, he probably would have agreed to some pretty lousy terms to get the job. Somebody else won't and likely won't even be offered such terms. Just my opinion.
 
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You do realize that just because Rutgers deems something to be "for cause" doesn't mean Flood and his attorneys have to agree with it, right? Hence, litigation. Unless something absolutely crazy comes up, firing for cause is not going to be worth it when weighed against potential litigation and more bad press. Of course, this is Rutgers so it wouldn't surprise me if they take the most inefficient and troublesome path here: par for the course.

Then everything bad about Flood is going to get leaked, and the man will be lucky to get a job at Walmart when all is said and done.
 

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That's what will be done...RU still benefits.

Exactly. This is a chip that the school holds in negotiating buyouts. That's how this stuff always gets settled. Both sides avoid the worst-case scenario, and everyone moves on.
 
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krup

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Agree. I want Flood out as much as anyone, but this is not the right way to handle business. We should just honor our commitments and move on. It is very 'Rutgers' though.
It is very disturbing that people here are viewing as good news the idea that we can stop paying assistants even if they had nothing to do with any of the scandalous issues that could get Flood canned.
 
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jerzey devil

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It was unofficially stated in another thread that an attempt was made to fire Flood for cause after the e-mail fiasco and arrest scandal in September, but his lawyer threatened to sue the university for defamation of character. IF that is true, then Rutgers' hand was basically forced into initiating a more in-depth investigation of the football program. Assuming that this investigation findings conclude more egregious conduct and broken rules than were already made public two months ago, then Flood should be fired for cause and not paid a single penny more than the university is absolutely required to. The current coaching assistants/coordinators should be evaluated based on merit, as well as potential replacement by staff that a new coach would seek to bring in.

from what I have read on here, this investigation started around the same time as the emailgate investigation, not in reaction to the results of the first one...
 

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I am just Curious?, no Axe to grind here, but it seems you really don't like HCKF. Is it just his Coaching or do you just dislike the man? really not looking to start anything just curious, because every chance you get you have ripped him apart in all the threads.

Both.
I can't wait until he's gone.
 
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I get that you don't like his Coaching, that is your own opinion and you have every right to it. I guess you have your own reasons as to why you don't like him personally, but from a human being standpoint he seems (from a distance) to be a very solid man. He gives back to the community with all his charity work, is a family man. I get that he is not perfect and has made mistakes, but to hate on the man personally because you don't like his football Coaching is rough to say the least.
 

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I get that you don't like his Coaching, that is your own opinion and you have every right to it. I guess you have your own reasons as to why you don't like him personally, but from a human being standpoint he seems (from a distance) to be a very solid man. He gives back to the community with all his charity work, is a family man. I get that he is not perfect and has made mistakes, but to hate on the man personally because you don't like his football Coaching is rough to say the least.
 

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It is very disturbing that people here are viewing as good news the idea that we can stop paying assistants even if they had nothing to do with any of the scandalous issues that could get Flood canned.

It's college football, not a charity. All of those coaches either had a choice when they tied themselves to Flood, or didn't have better options. If you want job security, go be a teacher or something. I'm sorry, but if the difference between keeping Flood for another year or not is not paying the full buyout, then see ya.