Hey, I hear you. It seems like the money is there, though. As long as the school pulls the trigger and gets rid of the staff, my cleaning lady could be the next coach and it would still be an improvement over Flood.
Why Flood will get terminated for cause
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Hey, I hear you. It seems like the money is there, though. As long as the school pulls the trigger and gets rid of the staff, my cleaning lady could be the next coach and it would still be an improvement over Flood.
I was really critical of Barchi in other threads but if this is true, no wonder he's been so silent and I'd have to retract my criticism of him.
$5-6 million (new) & $3 million to the olde, that's a lot of $$. (Where r they getting this dinero).....
It's not like the school has been margin called. The question has always been whether they'd be willing to spend.
"So in total" to rid of the olde & bring in anew will cost $____?
Cheaper than what it will be to keep the olde.
So your convinced Rutgers will pony up 8-10 million? What are you basing that off?
I am not convinced of anything. I already said, it won't shock me if he's back. Too much game of thrones rutgers style being played on the banks of the ol' raritan.
But one thing I do know, this money issue has been played before. It's not new. In 2013, we were told it's too expensive to fire Flood and his assistants. Like what you are doing now, they were doing it back then too. Calling out the total cost including the assistants. Remember that? So, what happened? They keep Flood, but fired the assistants anyway and hired more expensive ones. So, the money thing was bull all along.
I have to agree. If Flood was up to shenanigans, that is on him. If they kept their nose clean then they need to be paid.
I'll wait and see if for cause can be found.
When the e-mail investigation was going full swing, rumor had it Kyle was being fired for cause.
Now the latest for cause rumor is : this investigation will do the trick .
Don't care if it does or not, just want Flood out and a quality replacement come in.
No one should ask my opinion of who is a qualified candidate because:
I thought Dick Anderson was.
I thought Doug Graber was.
I thought Terry Shea was.
Schiano was a good choice
and
I wasn't thrilled Flood got the position, but I supported his being hired because recruiting class was saved.
So put Kyle in with my first 3 wrong thoughts and hope Rutgers never listens to my advice when picking a HC.
When the e-mail investigation was going full swing, rumor had it Kyle was being fired for cause.
Now the latest for cause rumor is : this investigation will do the trick .
Don't care if it does or not, just want Flood out and a quality replacement come in.
No one should ask my opinion of who is a qualified candidate because:
I thought Dick Anderson was.
I thought Doug Graber was.
I thought Terry Shea was.
Schiano was a good choice
and
I wasn't thrilled Flood got the position, but I supported his being hired because recruiting class was saved.
So put Kyle in with my first 3 wrong thoughts and hope Rutgers never listens to my advice when picking a HC.
I'm convinced nobody that has posted in this thread knows jack about what has or what is about to unfold.
The only thing I'm certain is that Rutgers will come out looking bad and probably mishandle the situation. It's just what I've come to expect with this school.
Hope they prove me wrong.
The only thing I'm certain is that Rutgers will come out looking bad and probably mishandle the situation. It's just what I've come to expect with this school.
Hope they prove me wrong.
$$ was an issue as Julie could not get
Funds needed (Donors) for an entire overhaul which is why they settled on the above....
Bottomline is no matter how you spin it this year's coaching market will be difficult to contend with $$$ wise if they do decide to enter the fray.
You wanna get into a bidding war "you better have a significant amount of $$" which again I'll believe it when I see it.
Every coach available will certainly have their asking price jacked up..
Stay Tuned.
You may be right about the latter. As to the former, I believe there are elements of truth to some of the things mentioned in this thread... Though the granular levels of detail may be speculation. People will always spin what they hear to fit the outcome they want.
I hear things from time to time but tend to keep them to myself. Over a month ago it was revealed to me that the team did approach Flood with a proposal to make it all go away rather quickly. However as to what they suggested or what were the details of these conversations I still have not confirmed nor do I care to.
While some claim they informed him he would be fired, I heard they offered a reduced suspension if he just cooperated. Who knows where the truth lies. Either way, from what I was told, this mule made it about him and did in fact tell the administration he would lawyer up, which is his right... but not necessarily the best move for the program.
I'm sure RU will F this up because that is what we do. But to those who think Noah is a babe in the woods and is getting a raw deal, I say tread lightly. He is damaged goods at this point.
I wanted him to be successful not because I had any specific love for Flood but it was best for the program given our current circumstances. However, after the past several months I've come to the conclusion that we need a fresh face and I want this guy as far away from the Hale Center as legally and humanly possible.
That's fine, but you really think we will be competing with most of these schools for a coach? We won't be.
If in fact they do decide to move on, any coach RU considers i'm pretty sure they'll be a couple of suitors....
I find comfort in that. Just like recruiting, I'm always skeptical if we're the only one to offer.
I disagree with your assessment (LOL). We didn't have the money for Jim Tressel, which some "boosters" pushed for. But we certainly had the money to fire Flood. Hopefully, all that crap that went on in 2013 comes out into the open now. Then people will finally see why some of us hate Flood so much.
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The money was there. The coach wasn't available.
For two years critics of Julie have pushed this false narrative and Flood has felt he is bulletproof, just because Miss State beat Ole Miss in overtime.
Flood may be guilty of other serious transgressions. The one we know about is embarrassing enough that I shudder to think of what we may not know about. If that is true and we pay him, then we are sending the message that we want to win at all costs and become North Carolina.
On the other hand, if we fire him for cause (and there is cause) and he sues, any settlement would be put off well into the future when we would be more able to afford it. And this would potentially free up money now for a new staff.
While some say that firing for cause will discourage coaches from wanting to come here, I say it will discourage the wrong coaches from wanting to come here and that is great! Our handling of these issues sends a message that if you come here, we expect you to win yes but you have to do it the right way. Sure Rich Rod will not come here but I don't want his cheating behind here anyway.
On the other hand, if we fire him for cause (and there is cause) and he sues, any settlement would be put off well into the future when we would be more able to afford it. And this would potentially free up money now for a new staff.
While some say that firing for cause will discourage coaches from wanting to come here, I say it will discourage the wrong coaches from wanting to come here and that is great! Our handling of these issues sends a message that if you come here, we expect you to win yes but you have to do it the right way. Sure Rich Rod will not come here but I don't want his cheating behind here anyway.
Graber was probably a good coach, but Rutgers didn't have the facilities, the tutors, the overall football operations in place for him to be successful.
He's going to get another year too many openings to contend with this year
Wrong, i guess your sources are the most proven, sorry about that. Me, personally would never say you're wrong but rather say i disagree with your assessment/information..
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No. Another year of inept 'growing into the job' could turn this dumpster fire into a dumpster inferno. It is broken, fix it.
If what is implied in this thread is true, that they wanted him out and he lawyered up, then he is 100% gone after this year. You don't maintain a relationship with a coach after all that happens, particularly if the coach would be on the hot seat for on-the-field performance anyway. I've noticed a certain detachment from Flood in his press conferences and even his sideline demeanor that tells me that he knows he is toast and playing out the string.
You never make a decision on a coaching change based on that. First, we aren't going to be directly competing with most schools for the same coaches. Second, you can't predict the future. What if next year is weird too, and there are a bunch of openings again? Who knows what can happen in the future. The only thing we know for certain now is that Flood has run this program into the ground. And as bad as the on-field product is, the off-the-field issues are even worse. You don't wait to make a change and delay the inevitable just because Miami and Virginia Tech are looking for new coaches; you do it now because there is a dire need for a change.
This is a bad way of looking at it. Because there isnt an infinite supply of coaches. The large number of opening this year means that some guys who wouldnt be taken in a normal year, will be, thus reducing the supply of good coaching prospects next year.
He's 27-47. So whatever affect he's going to have on us, I sure as hell hope it's not by being our coach.