Wildcat offense under Gran, Hinshaw is going to get intense

Rhavic

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I like the intensity and the emphasis they put on discipline. That's what Kentucky's offense (or team in general, actually) needs. It should be something that permeates throughout the staff, and into the locker rooms. That's how great teams are made.
 
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JPFisher

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I wonder how much more Stoops will be able to discipline the defense and get the D to his standards now that he doesn't have to worry as much about the opposite side of the ball and also learning the HC ropes on his own.

This should be a fun team to watch through Stoops' old contract and on into his new one.
 
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Great news. All the jogging and half effort has been acceptable for way too long. I knew effort was a problem when players started complaining about the high performance program.
 

3kidsandme

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That side of the ball has some talent for sure but they need discipline. They struggled last year mainly because of execution. Dawson got the hammer because he couldn't get his offense to be executed correctly. The players have no excuses and we have enough depth at wr where if you dont produce you don't play. I counted 12 scholarship wr and Charles walker that's alot of depth
 

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Elliot Uzelac was intense. That is neither good nor bad in and of itself. Score points and win some football games. That's what I want to see. I don't care how we do it (within the confines of the rules, of course). Just get it done.
 
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mrhotdice

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Looks like the players were successful
Follow the Model of get rid of failure and tell these men that they need to remember free rides are only good for one year. When a team can't focus on only winning the team will suffer. Example, this year.
 

Beatle Bum

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Why? Do any UK player appear bigger, faster, stronger than they were pre-Korem?

Why did Dupree and Williams prepare for and kill the combine by training at home with Korem?

This anti-high performance wave is like most knee-jerk responses from fans. If Stoops is tweaking, good for him. Eric Korem's plan is working for some.
 

Beatle Bum

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I know UL fans love to make fun of UK by poking at Joker's ice cream truck after practice gimmick.
 

KendallCat

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Why did Dupree and Williams prepare for and kill the combine by training at home with Korem?

This anti-high performance wave is like most knee-jerk responses from fans. If Stoops is tweaking, good for him. Eric Korem's plan is working for some.

I think that is a good question, but the answer is pretty simple. Bud was going first round prior to Korem, and EK even said that Bud was already a specimen and the NFL knew this as well. Seems like we are beating a dead horse with Korem, but what does that say about the program he implemented when the players are not improving, they hire over the guru, and he is walking once his contract is up? This coming from the coach that brought him with him from FSU? Pretty easy to answer when you read the tea leaves.
 

3kidsandme

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From what I have read uk likes some aspects of the program. They will keep the parts they like and brought in a real strength and conditioning coach who understands how to get 95 guys to develope. Korem was to preoccupied with the science
 

Beatle Bum

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I think that is a good question, but the answer is pretty simple. Bud was going first round prior to Korem, and EK even said that Bud was already a specimen and the NFL knew this as well. Seems like we are beating a dead horse with Korem, but what does that say about the program he implemented when the players are not improving, they hire over the guru, and he is walking once his contract is up? This coming from the coach that brought him with him from FSU? Pretty easy to answer when you read the tea leaves.

No answer for Williamson? That kid jumped in the draft because of his performance at the combine. Bud secured a spot, as he was never a guaranteed first rounder.

And, who said he is walking?

Some players have thrived in Korem's system. The problem is that many do not. Tea leaves are more difficult to read than many know.
 

3kidsandme

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No answer for Williamson? That kid jumped in the draft because of his performance at the combine. Bud secured a spot, as he was never a guaranteed first rounder.

And, who said he is walking?

Some players have thrived in Korem's system. The problem is that many do not. Tea leaves are more difficult to read than many know.
In the article about the new strength coach it says korem contract will not get extended.
 

bigbluegrog

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I know UL fans love to make fun of UK by poking at Joker's ice cream truck after practice gimmick.
What do Little Brothel fans know about anything. Totally overblown.....as if rewarding players for a hot afternoon of practice helped or hurt anything......
 

KendallCat

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No answer for Williamson? That kid jumped in the draft because of his performance at the combine. Bud secured a spot, as he was never a guaranteed first rounder.

And, who said he is walking?

Some players have thrived in Korem's system. The problem is that many do not. Tea leaves are more difficult to read than many know.
B em?go.

First of all you said Williams in your post so I am not going to play the guessing game with someone who does not know the players names well enough to describe them accurately. So Avery who was projected as a 5th round pick jumped in the draft where he was the 11th pick (wait for it) in the 5th round. Not to mention he was described as having "average functional strength" by draft experts. What exactly did Korem do for him?

Who said he is walking? I don't know - maybe the fact his contract is not going to to be honored after 2017, and he is talking to an ACC program about a possible job on the east coast since he knows once his contract has been fulfilled he is gone.

"Some players have thrived in Korem's system. The problem is that many do not." Is this really your position - not really very difficult to counter when you make it this easy. Thank you for playing.
 

Beatle Bum

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B em?go.

First of all you said Williams in your post so I am not going to play the guessing game with someone who does not know the players names well enough to describe them accurately. So Avery who was projected as a 5th round pick jumped in the draft where he was the 11th pick (wait for it) in the 5th round. Not to mention he was described as having "average functional strength" by draft experts. What exactly did Korem do for him?

Who said he is walking? I don't know - maybe the fact his contract is not going to to be honored after 2017, and he is talking to an ACC program about a possible job on the east coast since he knows once his contract has been fulfilled he is gone.

"Some players have thrived in Korem's system. The problem is that many do not." Is this really your position - not really very difficult to counter when you make it this easy. Thank you for playing.

If you would like to know my position, ask. You position yourself as if you are the Snark Queen/King of the Internet. It is quite the achievement.

My position is that if Stoops supplemented what Korem was doing to address those players who are not self-motivated or need a more traditional approach, such would seem ideal.

And, you might be the only person who thinks Avery would have done better going to a private trainer. Avery gave credit to Korem. So, even he does not seem to agree.

And, thanks for the news on Korem's contract. Your delivery lacks a bit, but I did not know he was leaving.
 

Beatle Bum

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I think that is a good question, but the answer is pretty simple. Bud was going first round prior to Korem, and EK even said that Bud was already a specimen and the NFL knew this as well. Seems like we are beating a dead horse with Korem, but what does that say about the program he implemented when the players are not improving, they hire over the guru, and he is walking once his contract is up? This coming from the coach that brought him with him from FSU? Pretty easy to answer when you read the tea leaves.

BTW, since you took the king of the hill approach with this thing. Why would Bud go with Korem if he did not trust what Korem was doing? Your answer really offers nothing other than to suggest Korem could not screw things up, which is both incorrect and antithetical to what athletes do when preparing for the biggest event of their lives.
 

DACats86

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I know UL fans love to make fun of UK by poking at Joker's ice cream truck after practice gimmick.
There was more energy expended by the players running to that ice cream truck than there was in the last two seasons of Joker's regime...
 
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If you would like to know my position, ask. You position yourself as if you are the Snark Queen/King of the Internet. It is quite the achievement.

My position is that if Stoops supplemented what Korem was doing to address those players who are not self-motivated or need a more traditional approach, such would seem ideal.

And, you might be the only person who thinks Avery would have done better going to a private trainer. Avery gave credit to Korem. So, even he does not seem to agree.

And, thanks for the news on Korem's contract. Your delivery lacks a bit, but I did not know he was leaving.
Why would any player from UK not give Korem credit? It's called having proper manners. Whether or not he helped them achieve their dreams. The players are always going to give credit even when it's not due. There are players that gave joker credit for helping them achieve their dreams. Does that mean joker is good at what he does?
 

Krisys

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Please don't bother with caveman. He's the definition of a clueless homer that often just calls peoples posts ignorant before ever trying to disprove others statements. One of the worst here. He would say the same about me, but the difference is I use facts and the only ones who agree with him that im the worst are his fellow stoops apologists that can't stand when the numbers prove him wrong.

Jesus christ we're not "stoops apologists," we're realists. You have it stuck in your head that UK is this football powerhouse that can hire any coach we want. That is not the case. We are known as a place where coaching careers go to die. We can do one of two things here. Take a chance on a hot coordinator, like Stoops, or take a gamble on a proven coach like Petrino who comes with severe baggage. Our athletic director is not going to gamble on a coach like Petrino who not only is an adulterer, broke federal law by hiring his mistress to a position she had no qualifications for. Stoops is recruiting at a historic level here. We have never dominated in state recruiting like he is. We have never signed even close to the number of sec caliber players that he is. Our best option is to let him stock the roster, and in a few years see if he has the ability to lead the program. If not, we make a change, and the new coach will have a very healthy roster to work with. Guys like Leach aren't happening, and probably not Brohm either. Leach does not recruit. That will not work in the sec, and it remains to be seen if Brohm has the recruiting ability to lead a power 5 program successfully.
 

Beatle Bum

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Why would any player from UK not give Korem credit? It's called having proper manners. Whether or not he helped them achieve their dreams. The players are always going to give credit even when it's not due. There are players that gave joker credit for helping them achieve their dreams. Does that mean joker is good at what he does?

Dumb.
 
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Jesus christ we're not "stoops apologists," we're realists. You have it stuck in your head that UK is this football powerhouse that can hire any coach we want. That is not the case. We are known as a place where coaching careers go to die. We can do one of two things here. Take a chance on a hot coordinator, like Stoops, or take a gamble on a proven coach like Petrino who comes with severe baggage. Our athletic director is not going to gamble on a coach like Petrino who not only is an adulterer, broke federal law by hiring his mistress to a position she had no qualifications for. Stoops is recruiting at a historic level here. We have never dominated in state recruiting like he is. We have never signed even close to the number of sec caliber players that he is. Our best option is to let him stock the roster, and in a few years see if he has the ability to lead the program. If not, we make a change, and the new coach will have a very healthy roster to work with. Guys like Leach aren't happening, and probably not Brohm either. Leach does not recruit. That will not work in the sec, and it remains to be seen if Brohm has the recruiting ability to lead a power 5 program successfully.
The apologists are those who make excuses for stoops. Therefor makes you an apogist. And in no way a realist. Realist aren't people who ignore the facts of 5-13 over last 18 games with zero wins over .500+ teams in division 1. And there were other coaches out there that many of our fans would've rather had. He definitely wasn't the best option like you so claim. And you talking about stoops recruiting has me dying of laughter. Just yesterday you said something along the lines of it doesn't matter how much talent you have coaching is what brings out good performances. So when it comes to every other coach, coaching matters. But since stoops is a good recruiter that makes him great regardless of how bad he is at coaching? Even though he's proven to be a very clueless in game head coach? One who refuses or just doesn't know how to make adjustments during a game. One who has no clue how to manage a game. One who promised significant improvement this last season from the year before, and after the season when the facts became that we regressed since year 2 after promising significant improvement. He came up with the contradicting quote by saying "just because we have a new renovated stadium doesn't mean I can just wave a magic wand and field a winning team" after he said before the season that he promised, for the first time since being here, "significant improvement" and a winning team.

According to stoops we were supposed to take the next step in year 3. According to you we shouldn't judge him til year 6? No coach in any sport deserves 6 years without success to prove themselves. His 3rd recruiting class doesn't have to graduate before we can judge him like you say. This years roster is almost entirely stoops players. So we can fully judge him based on this seasons success.

So you're a realist? Because you decide to ignore stoops contradicting quotes from before the season and after the season that clearly send the message that he's in way over his head? and the 5-13 record over last 18 games with zero quality wins? That makes you a realist? No that makes you overly optimistic to a homer extent, hence the phrase stoops apologist because of all the excuses you come up with for stoops. Assuming success from a coach who hasnt proven a damn thing on the field besides horrible game management and no adjustments, is called being a realist? I give him credit for that he's recruiting at a level never before seen here, yet I've never seen a coach as atrocious as he is at in game coaching. Don't matter how much talent you have if you can't coach them. Muschamp had all the talent in the world, did that make him a good coach? No because he simply couldn't coach. Just because of the recruiting doesn't promise UK success on the field, especially with a coach as inept as stoops who contradicts himself. And that makes you a realist? Huh? nothing realistic about your hopes for stoops given all the coaching errors that occurred this season.
 

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The apologists are those who make excuses for stoops. Therefor makes you an apogist. And in no way a realist. Realist aren't people who ignore the facts of 5-13 over last 18 games with zero wins over .500+ teams in division 1. And there were other coaches out there that many of our fans would've rather had. He definitely wasn't the best option like you so claim. And you talking about stoops recruiting has me dying of laughter. Just yesterday you said something along the lines of it doesn't matter how much talent you have coaching is what brings out good performances. So when it comes to every other coach, coaching matters. But since stoops is a good recruiter that makes him great regardless of how bad he is at coaching? Even though he's proven to be a very clueless in game head coach? One who refuses or just doesn't know how to make adjustments during a game. One who has no clue how to manage a game. One who promised significant improvement this last season from the year before, and after the season when the facts became that we regressed since year 2 after promising significant improvement. He came up with the contradicting quote by saying "just because we have a new renovated stadium doesn't mean I can just wave a magic wand and field a winning team" after he said before the season that he promised, for the first time since being here, "significant improvement" and a winning team.

According to stoops we were supposed to take the next step in year 3. According to you we shouldn't judge him til year 6? No coach in any sport deserves 6 years without success to prove themselves. His 3rd recruiting class doesn't have to graduate before we can judge him like you say. This years roster is almost entirely stoops players. So we can fully judge him based on this seasons success.

So you're a realist? Because you decide to ignore stoops contradicting quotes from before the season and after the season that clearly send the message that he's in way over his head? and the 5-13 record over last 18 games with zero quality wins? That makes you a realist? No that makes you overly optimistic to a homer extent, hence the phrase stoops apologist because of all the excuses you come up with for stoops. Assuming success from a coach who hasnt proven a damn thing on the field besides horrible game management and no adjustments, is called being a realist? I give him credit for that he's recruiting at a level never before seen here, yet I've never seen a coach as atrocious as he is at in game coaching. Don't matter how much talent you have if you can't coach them. Muschamp had all the talent in the world, did that make him a good coach? No because he simply couldn't coach. Just because of the recruiting doesn't promise UK success on the field, especially with a coach as inept as stoops who contradicts himself. And that makes you a realist? Huh? nothing realistic about your hopes for stoops given all the coaching errors that occurred this season.

You can't win in the sec with division 2 level players. Can't do it. Thats what Joker recruited, thats what Leach would recruit, that's what Brohm would probably recruit, and Petrino doesn't recruit much better. You have to have talent and depth in this conference to win. If you can't see how ****** of a situation Stoops walked into, you are not a smart human being. Wanting to fire him after 3 years of trying to clean out the biggest dumpster fire of a football program in the United States, only to hire some dunce that will have us back to competing with Toledo for recruits, is stupid.
 

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And just to throw this out there since you're annoying beyond belief, Andre Iguodola went to Arizona.

EDIT: And you spelled his last name incorrectly.
 
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You can't win in the sec with division 2 level players. Can't do it. Thats what Joker recruited, thats what Leach would recruit, that's what Brohm would probably recruit, and Petrino doesn't recruit much better. You have to have talent and depth in this conference to win. If you can't see how ****** of a situation Stoops walked into, you are not a smart human being. Wanting to fire him after 3 years of trying to clean out the biggest dumpster fire of a football program in the United States, only to hire some dunce that will have us back to competing with Toledo for recruits, is stupid.
This post shows how little football knowledge you have and how much of a stoops apologist you are. Petrino doesn't recruit much better than those you mentioned including joker? He recruits as well as stoops pretty much with way less resources. I don't think you realize how much of our recruiting success has to do with the improvement in facilities and the universities commitment to the football program. Leach, brohm all these coaches would've recruited at a higher level than joker by default with the facility upgrades we've received. It kills me how you act is if the money being put in the program doesn't have a lot to do with the recruiting success. It's all stoops. If stoops had the resources that joker had. We would still be recruiting at a very low level. Had joker had these resources, he would've recruited much better than he did, had those other coaches came here they would've recruited way better than joker by default because of all the upgrades we have. You act like stoops would have the same recruiting success had he had the resources joker was working with? Stoops recruiting success has as much to do with the facility upgrades as it does stoops himself. Yet you ignore the fact that the "dumpster fire" he inherited has better resources than any coach in the history of Kentucky has had to recruit with.

Just another stoops apologist thing to say by acting as if stoops is doing all of this based on his own ability. Couldn't possibly be that everyone before him had no resources like joker had when he was here. When in fact stoops was given all the resources in the world to recruit, unlike every other coach in the history of our program. Look at a picture of our recruiting room during the joker years, and look at the recruiting room stoops is working with. Then after you do so please stop acting like stoops is a miracle worker by recruiting so well here. Any coach is going to recruit better than the previous coaches based on that sole fact alone. He wouldn't be recruiting that well here at all in anyway if he had the resources joker had. Why would anyone come here with the resources joker was working with if they can go to top schools? Please answer that? All those coaches you mentioned would've recruited way better than joker because of the resources we now have. That has a lot to do with stoops success on the recruiting trail believe it or not. He's able to offer top notch facilities unlike every other coach who has coached here before him.

He has the resources to bring in good recruits, as does every coach from this point forward will have when they see that they have top of the line facilities to work with. Joker didn't have that. So to say these coaches would've recruited at the same level as joker given all of the upgrades we've had is just straight moronic. But I expect nothing less out of a stoops apologist. With the resources we have, it's going to be way easier for any coach who coaches here to recruit than it was before the upgrades. That "dumpster fire" he inherited had no resources. Stoops was given all the resources in the world to recruit with. Hence the major improvement in recruiting. But can he coach at a high level? It appears not as he is as inept of an in game coach the game has to offer. He can't manage a game. He doesn't know how make adjustments during a game, his in game coaching is atrocious at best. Good recruits won't change that when the coaching is as bad as it is.
 
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And just to throw this out there since you're annoying beyond belief, Andre Iguodola went to Arizona.

EDIT: And you spelled his last name incorrectly.
As if any of this is relevant and as if I actually tried to spell his name correctly? It's a pun. I spelt his name incorrectly ON PURPOSE! You really think that I thought the word "dolla" was in his name? Seriously?