Got it. Versus wanting him to fail you're only expecting him to fail & so much so that you're already campaigning for whom you want his successor to be. So sorry for the misread.
Wildcat offense under Gran, Hinshaw is going to get intense
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I think Stoops has done a good job of recruiting to Kentucky which is a huge component of being a successful coach. Now that he has established that he can sell the program to HS kids he needs to develop the managerial and development skills necessary to be a successful long term coach.
Going from a position coach to a coordinator is not a huge step, but going from a coordinator to a HC is a huge step. Position coach to coordinator is more of a linear progression, but going from a coordinator to a head coach is a huge step - change goes from linear to exponential. Instead of being in charge of one side of the ball and 45 kids you are now in charge of all 110 plus kids along with all coaches, staff, managers... Also, you are the face of the program to the community, to the AD and University President, booster club, alumni, BOT, media, parents of the players... Anything goes wrong with the program or players you are on the spot. DUI, break curfew, criminal issue they come to you. The Offensive Coordinator sits at home having dinner with the family while you are at the campus police station that night and the AD/Presidents office the next day discussing options for the kid who got in trouble.
Stoops has shown he will make changes and not stick with things that are not working, and next step is to let the guys he hired to run the offense and defense do their jobs. Provide direction on what you want the gameplan to be. It appears that he is wanting to run a balanced offense with a solid running game behind a big oline which would help control the clock, tempo, and not put the defense in bad situation.
Going from a position coach to a coordinator is not a huge step, but going from a coordinator to a HC is a huge step. Position coach to coordinator is more of a linear progression, but going from a coordinator to a head coach is a huge step - change goes from linear to exponential. Instead of being in charge of one side of the ball and 45 kids you are now in charge of all 110 plus kids along with all coaches, staff, managers... Also, you are the face of the program to the community, to the AD and University President, booster club, alumni, BOT, media, parents of the players... Anything goes wrong with the program or players you are on the spot. DUI, break curfew, criminal issue they come to you. The Offensive Coordinator sits at home having dinner with the family while you are at the campus police station that night and the AD/Presidents office the next day discussing options for the kid who got in trouble.
Stoops has shown he will make changes and not stick with things that are not working, and next step is to let the guys he hired to run the offense and defense do their jobs. Provide direction on what you want the gameplan to be. It appears that he is wanting to run a balanced offense with a solid running game behind a big oline which would help control the clock, tempo, and not put the defense in bad situation.
If MB dosen't have a little black book with the three or four names of who he would like to have as the next coach then he isn't prepared to have his job...my thing is I'm tired of the ojt coordinator route...want somebody experienced and I have liked ML for a while...like you all are saying thus is the SECGot it. Versus wanting him to fail you're only expecting him to fail & so much so that you're already campaigning for whom you want his successor to be. So sorry for the misread.
Correct - that is why I noted he needs to let his OC run that part of the team and learn to manage and delegate rather than micromanage. Pretty common amongst first time head coaches who don't have experience or confidence to turn things over to assistants and have to learn on the job that they cannot do everything.
So are you saying that I'm confirming what you said that I want Mark Stoops to fail... Listen dude I am a guy who attends every game not just home games but every road game I want Mark Stoops to be successful more than you could ever want it ...I have been following this program for 45 years and I am tired of losing... I will admit that from what I have seen so far that right now I am in the boat thinking Mark Stoops is in over his head, but please don't take that as the fact that I want him to not be successful because I do and if I did not I would be staying at home like probably you do... all I am saying is if he isn't successful I would like the next coach to be a head coach and not another another coordinator on OJT, especially a defensive coordinator
And as i've said, Mike Leach will never be hired. There is a reason that washington state was his only power 5 offer. No other school wanted him. Mitch Barnhart doesn't either.
This is so cliche among those people who are always miserable and standing in their field lusting over the greener pastures. Landon Young got his fifth star today that a good reason to get out of the old man rut and enjoy those little wins that are consistently increasing.
I was reading today in my PT's office how attitude is 90% of living a good life.
No - I accepted your correction of me on that. Confirmation of your clarification that you're preparing for his failure by touting your preferred next coach choice.
#1- If this doesn't work out with Stoops, I don't think Barney gets the next pick... He'll be put out to pasture.
#2 -The next guy won't want Mike Leach either...
Because noone in power 5 wanted him besides Washington state?
Tell me what competition do we have in keeping MS or in getting him in the first place...
NOBODY is going to go after Stoops until he can prove he can get UK to a bowl game consistently. We would've gone to a bowl this past season had it not been for Dawson. Hopefully Gran can get the offense back on track to where it was going when Brown was here. If he can do that quickly, we go bowling. Easy as that.
As far as who we were in competition with to get MS, the answer is nobody. Stoops came to Barnhart. Be happy we have a head coach who is incredibly motivated, is willing to learn, knows football, and can recruit like he has. Seriously, he's our best shot to win consistently that we've had in the past 40 years.
We don't need a gimmicky offense with little to no defense or special teams. We need to recruit and build a foundation and attack all three phases of the game. Anything less won't last for any amount of time in the SEC.
So after three years how are all those phases working and how much organization and in game management are you seeing?
UK is going to look a lot like FSU from when Stoops was there. Pro Style Multiple offense (Gran) and Mutiple D(Stoops). That's the direction I see this team moving towards.
Hopefully in both. Also, in regards to clock management or lack of it I think that this weekend with the NFL games shows how difficult this aspect of the game is overall. We obviously struggled in this area which was very frustrating to see, and the importance of QB play - overall for team success and in the two minute drill is paramount. In fact good QB play is the number one thing out there that leads to success amongst all sports.
Go look at all of the Super Bowl winners overall and what do you see? HOF/top level QB play - Starr, Staubach, Griese, Bradshaw, Stabler, Montana, Aikman, Kelly, Favre, Elway, Manning x 2, Brady, Big Ben... Those 15 players have won about 80% of the Lombardi trophies. Have a good QB, which we have lacked for several years, and our results will reflect that more than anything else we can do. Having Gran and Hinshaw should help a ton.
You do realize you don't have to insult people in every thread right?
You can't sit here and ***** and moan every day about how stoops needs to be fired now, after his third season, and then make 50 excuses as to why you cant judge leaches atrocious first 3 years at washington state. He had a great year in his 4th year you say? Well why don't you give our damn coach the opportunity to coach his 4th season before you act like a jackwad. And no, petrino and co do not recruit as good as stoops. Petrino recruiting class rankings:
2003: 35th
2004: 108(seriously, not even top 100?)
2005: 45
2006: 34
2008(arkansas): 36
2009: 16(best class he's ever signed by far)
2010: 49
2011: 24
2012:34
2013(western): 90
2014(commuter u): 40
2015: 32
Stoops classes:
2013: 29
2014: 17
2015: 35
And 2016 could possibly be stoops best yet. It is certainly loaded with talent, including a 5 star offensive tackle. Petrino's average class ranking over the course of his career is 45th. Stoops is 27. Thats an average difference of 18 spots. So no, petrino does not recruit as well as stoops
The great part of what stoops is doing, is that he's recruiting this well without on the field results. If the Gran hire pans out as we're all hoping and we start winning, Stoops could very well move our recruiting up to middle of the sec. Thats good for top 20 in the country.
I don't get the fans that want Stoops fired. We went from 2 wins Joker's and Stoops first year to back to back 5 win seasons. That's progress. Dawson was a bad hire but Stoops axed him quickly. I wish people understood how awful this roster was when Stoops took over. We literally did not have enough scholarship olineman to form a 5 man unit. Then the wr Corp was 3 or 4 deep. Robinson the only decent player left. Joker left nothing in the cupboard. Think about how bad Tiller was he started as a true frosh under joker lol. So did the Blaylock twins who can't sniff the field now. Stoops finally has his first class in his 4th year and he had 2 months to put it together. The program is on the cusp quit looking for a quick fix. If we fired Stoops now the next staff would be loaded and win and take all the credit.
I'm not reading after reading the first sentence because I never said stoops needs to be fired now. He's going to get 2 more years regardless of how bad he performs. And he is getting good recruits I agree. My opinion is stock up on the recruits for the next 2 years. Then hire someone who can COACH them. All I've said is stoops is a horrible coach which he in fact, at this point in his career, is absolutely an awful head coach. That really can't be argued. At this point you're just putting words in my mouth. You're an absolute idiot if you think anyone should judge leach entirely on his first 3 years at WSU. stoops has coached for 3 years yes. But leach went to 10 bowls in 10 years at TTU. He just rebuilt the WSU program. And you're saying we should judge him based off his only unsuccessful stretch of time in his career when the rest of his careers shows nothing but success? I just don't get it. It doesn't make sense as to why anyone would try to argue leach isn't a good coach even though he's proven to rebuild programs everywhere he's went. This is stoops first job but at this point, unlike leach, he hasn't proven a damn thing except being a good recruiter and a clueless in game head coach. Much like his brother who coached at AZ.
If stoops had previous HC experience of rebuilding PROGRAMS. Id give him a lot more slack. But this is his first job, and based on what he said before the season, and what he said after the season. He's an excuse of a head coach, he leads by making excuses for EVERYTHING, SAME FOR HIS APOLOGISTS. That screams to me that hes in way over his head. He promised significant improvement and a winning product, to saying just because we have a newly renovated stadium it doesn't mean he can just wave a magic wand and field a winning team. Yet you ignore these facts. I don't. These are horrible qualities for an HC to have that are also huge signs of a coach who's in way over his head. Never said we should fire him now. All I said was that there were wayyyyy better options out there. And that stoops was far and away not the best option. He came to MB and sold himself to MB. I'm not sure stoops was even an option until he approached MB about the opening.
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You sir have no clue what the majority of UK fans would like or dislike, You speak for yourself only. You sure have no idea what fans like myself think would be wise or bold moves for our athletic department. Please refrain from speaking for "all the other fans".
Right, that is why eventually Mitch will be shown the door as he has no clue how to build an upper echelon college football program. He simply does not have what it takes.
Again, you cant throw leach's first 3 years out the window, and then say stoops is a horrible head coach with the exact same record. By your logic, mike leach is a god awful head coach. He's not, and neither is stoops. Stoops is making all the right moves to get this program off the ground. He's recruiting at a level never seen here, he just showed that he has no issue replacing an underperforming coordinator after a year. What more do you want from the man? He needs to shape up some of his in game decisions, I agree. But even the most experienced coaches make blunders. If sabans onside kick attempt against Clemson doesn't work, he would have gotten absolutely reamed for is, and people would have been harping what was he thinking halfway through next season. Mccarthy showed some terrible clock management against arizona, and i've seen Belichick himself make some bad decisions. It happens to the absolute best in the sport, so it's assuredly going to happen to a first time head coach.
But that's where the 10 years at Texas Tech DOES matter! You bring up his first 3 years...but he did MAKE A BOWL in his second year at WSU.
When Leach had a rough 3 years you could say "This guy has a career winning record and has been to 11 bowls in 13 seasons of coaching"
When Stoops has a rough 3 years "He's never been a head coach so who knows what he can do"
You can continue to ignore the past, but look at it this way..going on the road to Florida would you rather have a proven senior QB with a career winning record or a touted freshman that's never played a road game and has had a tough season thus far? Experience does matter no matter how you spin it.
Stoops has done a great job building the program and has not had enough time to execute his plans because his players are still young, but he still has a career losing record.
also, stop with the "Big 12 was soft" crap about Leach. Have you seen the SEC East lately...yeah when Leach was at TTU he had guys like Adrian Peterson, Jason White, Sam Bradford, Vince Young, Colt McCoy...yeah the Big 12 division Leach was in with Texas and Oklahoma is MUCHHHH tougher than the SEC East has been with Stoops.
WILL YOU ACCEPT THAT I'M AGREEING WITH YOU THAT STOOPS DESERVES A CHANCE AT A 4TH AND 5TH SEASON AND I THINK HES A GOOD COACH, I AGREE WITH YOU BUT YOU KEEP ACTING LIKE IM NOT. ALL IM SAYING AFTER ALL THESE POSTS IS THAT LEACH IS A PROVEN HEAD COACH, A PROVEN WINNER.
And how many titles did the big 12 produce during his time there? And how many did the sec produce? What was it, 7 straight? No, you can't look at stoops and say "well he won at x place before here" but you can say that he's done what nearly everyone thought was IMPOSSIBLE, recruit elite talent to the University of Kentucky. And I stand by what I said, you dont take the 108th ranked defense in college football and in 3 years have it at number 2 overall unless you are a damn good football coach.
Lol at the fact that you think stoops is a damn good head coach based on his previous DC success. That means you think muschamp and Charlie Weiss and a never ending list of great coordinators who failed as HCs are great coaches. Just because he was able to turn a team and a defense with BY FAR the best talent in his conference into a top defense. Doesn't make him a great head coach. You keep acting like he's a miracle worker for what he did at FSU while completely ignoring the fact he had the best players in his entire conference to work with. You act like he turned a bunch of scrubs into ballers. When in fact he had NFL talent the ENTIRE TIME that he was the DC at FSU. You're just plain dumb man.
Dude someone in a coma would win a battle of wits with you. You're an idiot beyond belief. Leach has had one good year out of 4 at washington state. His second year was decent. His first and third year were god awful, and fans were calling for his head after the third year. Noone gives a **** what a coach did in the past, only what he's doing in the present. You want to keep throwing up that leach was decent at tech? Well ill keep throwing up that stoops has turned every defense he's touched into an elite unit within 3 years, so we should have all the confidence in the world that he will do the same here. Give it up, you hate stoops and make yourself look like an idiot constantly trying to belittle him. Or you're a louisville fan, im not sure which yet.
I've already slaughtered your theory that petrino recruits as well as stoops, would you like me to show you how terrible of a recruiter mike leach is? I can easily show you numbers if that would shut you up for a while.
Lmao you really cant read. I said BY YOUR LOGIC that if stoops is terrible for his record in his first 3 years, then leach is as well for his atrocious 3 year display at washington state. I never said that was what you thought. And you have proven NOTHING. You have done nothing but spout your bullheaded, idiotic opinion. I have slaughtered your arguements with facts, and will continue to do so until you either come out as the louisville fan you are, or leave the board. Please continue to shout from the rooftops that petrino is as good of a recruiter as stoops, since ive already destroyed that arguement with cold hard facts.
Again, how was that my logic? Please explain. I said stoops was a god awful head coach. You're the one who said that if I think stoops is an awful head coach then that means I think leach is an awful head coach. I wasn't using any sort of logic. Stoops has done nothing, leach has done a lot. That was my logic. Please stop making ish up by saying that me calling stoops a horrible head coach, also means I think leach is a horrible coach. I didn't use any sort of logic that would make your statement true, you're the one griping and whining judging leach entirely based on his first 3 years at WSU. I was using there entire body of work as head coaches for my logic, you dumb POS.
Also what did you have to say to me when I told you that the head coach has way more in game responsibilities than going for it on 4th or not like you said, dumby? After I slaughtered that opinion of yours you didn't even reply to my part of the post where I proved you wrong about the head coaches responsibilities during a game. You're so GD dumb bro GIVE IT UP MERRIMAN. I also said considering the resources UL has (way worse than ours) that it makes him an equal recruiter to stoops. At least close, see the talent they put on the field this season? Obviously stoops isn't recruiting leaps and bounds better than Petrino, maybe the star rating says so, but not the results on the field. And if he was recruiting wayyyy better than Petrino like you said, what does that say about stoops coaching ability even though he, according to you, has way better players than Petrino? Jeez. Does it really matter anyways? Petrino has beaten stoops every time they've faced each other, even when Petrino was at WKU he manhandled us.
You have never 'slaughtered' any of my opinions you dumb mfer. You said that this years USC team was as good as last years Florida team. That's the dumbest statement this board has ever seen. Please man you're not smart. You even changed your S/N because you have no credibility under the S/N merriman so you wanted people to start valuing your opinions again because no one did when you were 'merriman'. YOU CHANGED YOUR S/N JUST SO PEOPLE WOULDNT THINK THAT YOURE THE IDIOT THAT YOU ARE. PATHETIC!!!!!