Next year what is the lowest number of SEC wins for Lemonis to save his job?
Will a 15-15 record do it?
Will a 15-15 record do it?
Will .500 Save Lemonis ?
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I'd take that right now, but getting in the tourney with a 2 seed or better, which obviously would have us back in Hoover, would probably please the masses. Whatever it takes to get that.
First I will say I hope he turns it around however for me it's about the first 15 conference games. If we start slow and aren't at worst 7-8 through the first half of the season then he shouldn't have the opportunity to finish 15-15. We need to cut ties, promote Gotro or the new pitching coach and start our coaching search.
he's successfully lowered the expectations of a lot on this board. so, probably so
Yes. As long as he makes the NCAA Tournament next year, he’s safe. But his leash is still short in that case. He needs to host sometime in the next 3 seasons to get some credibility back. And until he does host, he can’t miss an NCAA tournament or he’s immediately done.
It is not a question of “if”. It’s simply “when”. No one can be so inept over two consecutive seasons and then magically flip the switch.
15-15 should be the floor in SEC play and rarely ever happen. 18 wins should host. He has 18 wins over the last two seasons. Yikes.
If we didn't fire him for back to back 9-21 seasons, we're not about to fire him for 15-15.
This question is frankly embarrassing. Lemonis should be looking for a new job a month ago.
he took our expectations from perennial host team and probably in a super regional most years to "please let us go 15-15" <sigh> i doubt LSU would allow a coach to lower their expectations like this. you only get what you demand and expect. doesn't matter if it's in business, sports, life, or from your kids.
You got that right. This has been a test of our fanbase to see if we would support the team through tough times. Next season he is going to let the Dawgs out.
I'm looking for more than just a record. I'm looking for other teams to dread having us on the schedule and for us not to care who it is because we believe in our program again. Win or lose, we finally think that we are in the game against anyone. We used to.
I'm starting to think Lemonis fell asleep at the wheel so to speak. I'm sure it's a job that requires a lot of work, tough decision making and one only a few can get a handle on and succeed especially when you're having to adapt to changes constantly. We've dropped well below Polk II and there's really no excuse for that 2 years in a row. Not at STATE. The only way a STATE baseball HC 17's up to this degree is by riding The Good Ship Lollipop and not having enough schits to give. Time for him to go now.
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I think he has to make the field of 64 next year, and hosting the following year should be the floor.
Vanderbilt, LSU, and Florida all have streaks of 15+ regional appearances, and there is NO good reason why MSU shouldn't expect the same.
He has to make the ncaa tourney. Nothing else matters. Make the tourney and he’s safe.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind. We used to talk all the time about Lemonis pushing the right buttons, and even a blind man will get 50% right, but what has he gotten right in the last two years?
I said exactly what you just did earlier this season, and there is no possible way for a program like this to sink to these depths unless the coach is not paying attention. For the life of me, I can’t understand why we decided that our best path forward is to repeat this again next year.
My expectation for him to keep his job this season was to make it to a regional and that certainly is not lowered for this season. If anything I would up the ante a bit because after all this will be his second year of 'righting the ship'. So I would say he needs to do more than just make the tourney. He needs to finish above .500 in the SEC.
I am not optimistic that he will have us anywhere close to that goal.
I am not optimistic that he will have us anywhere close to that goal.
Yep and we allowed it to happen by giving him another year after two 9 win SEC seasons following an NC. Now we have signed up for at least two years of substandard seasons as long as some improvement is shown next year.
I won't know. Because if he is still our coach next year, I won't be following baseball. I have as much give a damn left as he does. Hopefully he will be fired soon and replaced by somebody who is currently still coaching.
No, no way its enough. We have finished last and next to last the past 2 seasons. A 15-15 record this season would have put us in 5th out of 7th place records in West or 6th in East records. Last, next to last and 5th of 7 are unacceptable, especially after Missouri (of all schools) just fired their coach w/ a better conference and overall record. If he stays w/ a .500 conference record its like being happy w/ a participation trophy and snack after a little league season
Will it? Probably. Should it? No. 14-16 was enough for Bianco at Ole Miss to get fired in '22, then they went on to win the whole thing. The only way .500 should save Lemonis is if he makes a run in post-season. i.e at least one win in a super regional. I think if we start SEC play and are less than .500 in the first half he should be gone.
Agreed. Giving him another year is one thing, bringing him back while also allowing for lowered expectations is basically telling the fanbase… as an AD, I don’t give a 17 about baseball
And for those asking how can we expect Lemonis to wave a magic wand to take a team from the cellar to hosting a regional in one year? Well, maybe next time don’t dig a hole halfway to China, and you won’t set yourself up for a seemingly impossible task
I think he needs two years of stability. He gets us to that 2-seed / 3-seed line next year, then great. But he’d still be very much on the hot seat in 2025 if he didn’t match or build upon that the following year. Unless he does something crazy like win the SEC or get back to the CWS next year, I think that’s going to be the prevailing sentiment.
15-15 in the SEC gets you a 2 seed in a Regional. People will still gripe, but yes it will save his job.
FYI, conference records the past 25 seasons:
1998 14-15 McMahon
1999 15-13 McMahon
2000 17-10 McMahon
2001 17-13 McMahon
2002 14-15 Polk II
2003 17-12 Polk II
2004 13-17 Polk II
2005 13-16 Polk II
2006 12-17 Polk II
2007 15-13 Polk II
2008 9-21 Polk II
2009 9-20 Cohen
2010 6-24 Cohen
2011 14-16 Cohen
2012 16-14 Cohen
2013 16-14 Cohen
2014 18-12 Cohen
2015 8-22 Cohen
2016 21-9 Cohen
2017 17-13 Cannizaro
2018 15-15 Cannizaro/Henderson
2019 20-10 Lemonis
2020 N/A
2021 20-10 Lemonis
2022 9-21 Lemonis
2023 9-21 Lemonis
FYI, conference records the past 25 seasons:
1998 14-15 McMahon
1999 15-13 McMahon
2000 17-10 McMahon
2001 17-13 McMahon
2002 14-15 Polk II
2003 17-12 Polk II
2004 13-17 Polk II
2005 13-16 Polk II
2006 12-17 Polk II
2007 15-13 Polk II
2008 9-21 Polk II
2009 9-20 Cohen
2010 6-24 Cohen
2011 14-16 Cohen
2012 16-14 Cohen
2013 16-14 Cohen
2014 18-12 Cohen
2015 8-22 Cohen
2016 21-9 Cohen
2017 17-13 Cannizaro
2018 15-15 Cannizaro/Henderson
2019 20-10 Lemonis
2020 N/A
2021 20-10 Lemonis
2022 9-21 Lemonis
2023 9-21 Lemonis
