Yes, it's a step down from the Gator, but I feel like we will travel better to Nashville. Also, we get an "easier" opponent in Nashville.
Will State fans be disappointed with the Music City Bowl?
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I hope MSU fans realize something if we go to the Music City Bowl.
And that's just how damn difficult it is to make headway in the SEC. Some expect so much from Dan after just 4 years and people need to realize what we are up against. Our own history and the current state of the SEC makes us getting to where we want to be very difficult. We will be in the 7th best SEC bowl with an 8-4 record. That's crazy.
Some on here don't understand why we can't compete against some of these other top tier SEC universities for recruits or for tv slots after 4 years and 3 straight bowls. An 8-4 record and the Music City bowl should tell you all you need to know. We still have below average name recognition compared to other SEC schools and until we grossly overachieve on the field with what we have, we will never get past that point.
8 wins and 3 bowl appearances in a row is a great start in the right direction. It's only the 2nd time in our history we've been to bowl games in 3 straight years. But compared to these other SEC schools like FL, UGA, Arkansas, TAMU, Bama, and Auburn, we still don't even come close to stacking up. These schools have a long history of bowls, a ton of money at their disposal, national championships, and multiple conference championship game appearances. Bad years don't phase these schools because they have recent histories of winning and winning a lot. We are doing what we need to do to get to the top of the SEC, but temper your expectations when you realize where the rest of these schools we compete against come from.
Just thought I would throw that out there. Happy to be going to another bowl, especially since it's most likely not in Birmingham. But damn is it tough to get anywhere beyond middle of the road with the current state of the SEC.
And that's just how damn difficult it is to make headway in the SEC. Some expect so much from Dan after just 4 years and people need to realize what we are up against. Our own history and the current state of the SEC makes us getting to where we want to be very difficult. We will be in the 7th best SEC bowl with an 8-4 record. That's crazy.
Some on here don't understand why we can't compete against some of these other top tier SEC universities for recruits or for tv slots after 4 years and 3 straight bowls. An 8-4 record and the Music City bowl should tell you all you need to know. We still have below average name recognition compared to other SEC schools and until we grossly overachieve on the field with what we have, we will never get past that point.
8 wins and 3 bowl appearances in a row is a great start in the right direction. It's only the 2nd time in our history we've been to bowl games in 3 straight years. But compared to these other SEC schools like FL, UGA, Arkansas, TAMU, Bama, and Auburn, we still don't even come close to stacking up. These schools have a long history of bowls, a ton of money at their disposal, national championships, and multiple conference championship game appearances. Bad years don't phase these schools because they have recent histories of winning and winning a lot. We are doing what we need to do to get to the top of the SEC, but temper your expectations when you realize where the rest of these schools we compete against come from.
Just thought I would throw that out there. Happy to be going to another bowl, especially since it's most likely not in Birmingham. But damn is it tough to get anywhere beyond middle of the road with the current state of the SEC.
No...
I would rather go to Nashville....one night stay compared to a two-three night stay and five hours less driving time. I would be pissed if we deserved a better bowl, but we don't.
I would rather go to Nashville....one night stay compared to a two-three night stay and five hours less driving time. I would be pissed if we deserved a better bowl, but we don't.
The Music City might work best for us anyway. Shorter travel for the fans, less chance of getting clobbered for the fifth time by a decent opponent, etc. The most valuable aspect of going to a bowl will be the additional practice days where, hopefully, we can begin to learn to play defense again.
How hard is it for people like you to realize that the vast majority of MSU people who are disappointed right now are disappointed because in 4 of our last 5 games we were not prepared play and didn`t give our best effort. I am frankly tired of condescending posts like this implying we don`t even know what the hell we`re looking at. Hell we know we`re not and will never be an elite SEC program and are not blindly asking/demanding anyone to make us one but what we saw at the end of this season was a coaching staff and team that quit giving their best effort to win regardless of the odds. That`s what the majority is upset about and quite frankly don`t need to be told how to think by know-it-alls like you.
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I gladly would take the MCB. I likely won't make that drive to J' ville and will be too pissed off to go if we get the BBVA because no one has ever given two ***** about strength of schedule when selecting bowls in the past. If Stickland lets that happen then he needs to be put on notice.
I will be happy with and will travel to any of the three I had to select from from hailstate.com.
The B'ham bowl though... Not so much.
The B'ham bowl though... Not so much.
yes, but only because we were there last year
And with a 6-6 record at that. So if we wind up there again, I believe we got the better deal last year for sure.
Previous poster said it best. Just goes to show how tough the SEC is for a team with an 8-4 record to get the 7th best bowl in the pecking order.
Insane.
And with a 6-6 record at that. So if we wind up there again, I believe we got the better deal last year for sure.
Previous poster said it best. Just goes to show how tough the SEC is for a team with an 8-4 record to get the 7th best bowl in the pecking order.
Insane.
I'm pissed we lost 4 out of our last 5 too.
So is everyone else. But when people on here talk about getting rid of Dan Mullen or say they will have no problem taking Hud over Dan, I think what I said needs to be mentioned. Plenty of people on here would be ok if Dan Mullen left, which to me tells me there are enough people on here that have entirely unrealistic expectations of where we should be.
Could we have played with more heart and determination? Of course we could, and obviously many on here including me are pissed. Did Mullen quit in the Egg Bowl or in a few other games? I don't know the answer to that. Possibly. You can say he did by his body language or whatever, but I doubt you actually know what happened.
I don't claim to be a know it all. All I did was point out that realistically, where did you expect us as a program to be right now with the strength of the SEC? We are rebuilding and we have a team of players that don't know what it's like to play in the big games. And that showed. I don't think we quit, I just think we have a team that doesn't know how to play with emotion in big games because this is the first year any player on that team actually were given somewhat of a chance to beat a big time team. Add to that the talent gap between the teams and you get the outcome of games like LSU, Bama, and TAMU.
Not trying to be an ***, but I'm trying to temper the expectations of people on here. Some are saying Mullen has hit the ceiling or that they would have no problem with Mullen leaving and us just hiring Hud. Just doesn't make sense.
So is everyone else. But when people on here talk about getting rid of Dan Mullen or say they will have no problem taking Hud over Dan, I think what I said needs to be mentioned. Plenty of people on here would be ok if Dan Mullen left, which to me tells me there are enough people on here that have entirely unrealistic expectations of where we should be.
Could we have played with more heart and determination? Of course we could, and obviously many on here including me are pissed. Did Mullen quit in the Egg Bowl or in a few other games? I don't know the answer to that. Possibly. You can say he did by his body language or whatever, but I doubt you actually know what happened.
I don't claim to be a know it all. All I did was point out that realistically, where did you expect us as a program to be right now with the strength of the SEC? We are rebuilding and we have a team of players that don't know what it's like to play in the big games. And that showed. I don't think we quit, I just think we have a team that doesn't know how to play with emotion in big games because this is the first year any player on that team actually were given somewhat of a chance to beat a big time team. Add to that the talent gap between the teams and you get the outcome of games like LSU, Bama, and TAMU.
Not trying to be an ***, but I'm trying to temper the expectations of people on here. Some are saying Mullen has hit the ceiling or that they would have no problem with Mullen leaving and us just hiring Hud. Just doesn't make sense.
Anything above Liberty and BBVA works for me every year, until we take that next step which it's obvious we haven't yet.
And like BogeyGolfer said, I would be mad if we deserved better and were getting snubbed, but I think BBVA would be the only bowl considered as a snub. I'd love to see us in the Gator - Jacksonville was a blast on New Year's Eve and Day a couple years ago - but I'll take the shorter drive all day.
And like BogeyGolfer said, I would be mad if we deserved better and were getting snubbed, but I think BBVA would be the only bowl considered as a snub. I'd love to see us in the Gator - Jacksonville was a blast on New Year's Eve and Day a couple years ago - but I'll take the shorter drive all day.
Let's face it. One of the reasons all the talk about Hud is that some actually are fearing Freeze although they won't come out and say it. They feel that Hud would do a better job of relating to high school corches in these parts and that he is more of a counterpart to Freeze than Mullen is. It's a parochical way of thinking. I'd take Mullen over Hud any day of the week, month, year or whatever. Another angle is while many don't want Mullen to leave, they're not convinced that he's here for the long haul (whatever that is.) So not knowing that, they believe Hud would be at least an adequate replacement and that some other school is going to hire him and State will be on the outside looking in. My take is to forget all these possibilities and enjoy the moment. If Mullen leaves, he leaves. If Hudspeth is available at that time, he's available. If not, then he didn't want to be here anyway....same for Mullen.
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Exactly
If this teams effort and the coaches game planning were better, I would be much happier. For the most part we took care of business, but there is a lot of room for improvement, and I want us to take care of our issues before we spiral out of control and end up a 3-4 win team again. The SEC isn't going to sit around for us- Auburn sounds like they are trying to hire Petrino and Arkansas is trying to hire Peterson. It never gets easier, so we have to stay on top of what we were doing well.
If this teams effort and the coaches game planning were better, I would be much happier. For the most part we took care of business, but there is a lot of room for improvement, and I want us to take care of our issues before we spiral out of control and end up a 3-4 win team again. The SEC isn't going to sit around for us- Auburn sounds like they are trying to hire Petrino and Arkansas is trying to hire Peterson. It never gets easier, so we have to stay on top of what we were doing well.
I'll tell you why I like Hud
and what my real "fear" is- and that is that Dan can't recruit nearly as well as Hud. Hud has also proven that he can coach. I don't know that it's a coincidence that our offense started to get a lot less creative after Hud left. My other fear is that Dan has gotten comfortable at MSU based on the way the team played from an effort standpoint, and that always concerns me.
and what my real "fear" is- and that is that Dan can't recruit nearly as well as Hud. Hud has also proven that he can coach. I don't know that it's a coincidence that our offense started to get a lot less creative after Hud left. My other fear is that Dan has gotten comfortable at MSU based on the way the team played from an effort standpoint, and that always concerns me.
I would be ok with Hudspeth. In the event of a vacancy would expect that a bona fide search be conducted and may the best candidate win. Meantime, I'm satisfied with Mullen and trust that he will recognize the need for whatever changes are called for and take action to correct them. As far as Hud is concerned, he wasn't the OC so don't know how much influence he had on creativity of the offense. I don't know if Hud is a better recruiter than Dan is.
Trivia: 2012 will be the 4th time MSU has gone to a bowl after losing to OM...
1981, 1992, 2000, and now 2012 (won the bowl in '81, lost '92, won '00). In 1963 State tied OM and went to a bowl (won the bowl). The rest of our bowl came after we beat OM.
1981, 1992, 2000, and now 2012 (won the bowl in '81, lost '92, won '00). In 1963 State tied OM and went to a bowl (won the bowl). The rest of our bowl came after we beat OM.
I suppose that must be the reason. As far as I'm concerned, Mullen is on the doorstep of being a great coach. Hudspeth, on the other hand, is unproven. He may be good and he may not be.
Honestly, I think some don't like Dan because he's a "Yankee". And that's about the craziest reason in the world. He's well-known nationally, and nobody's ever heard of Hudspeth. And the only reason Freeze is known is Archie and what's-his-name on CBS talk about him constantly.
Honestly, I think some don't like Dan because he's a "Yankee". And that's about the craziest reason in the world. He's well-known nationally, and nobody's ever heard of Hudspeth. And the only reason Freeze is known is Archie and what's-his-name on CBS talk about him constantly.
What's the worry with playing a better team? Our team did pretty well last trip to the Gator Bowl. I don't believe you'd get an arguement out of Michigan on it. I agree that if we drop, I hope it's to the Music City Bowl. 'Sure had hopes up for the Peach Bowl; hated to see that one get away....