Anyone concerned about the all time wins lead? In the 8 years Since Cal has been here. We have been to 4 final fours and two of the best seasons. We've ever had at 38-2 and 38-1. The record for most wins in a season. But we haven't really added much space between us and Kansas. Anyone concerned other than me. That we can have a run like that. And not create a bigger gap.
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I'm not really concerned. Kansas aims for conference championships while we aim for final fours and national championships.
All time wins is about consistency between generations of coaches.
As long as Coach Cal wins at high rate, it's not a big deal. Which he has been. I think Self has caught up 1 win since Coach Cal has been here (not counting this year). He's been pretty consistent.
The reality is, Coach Cal actually increased the spread between us and second place. UNC was much closer than what Kansas is to us now.
As long as Coach Cal wins at high rate, it's not a big deal. Which he has been. I think Self has caught up 1 win since Coach Cal has been here (not counting this year). He's been pretty consistent.
The reality is, Coach Cal actually increased the spread between us and second place. UNC was much closer than what Kansas is to us now.
Shouldn't be worrying about this at all. To open up any kind of lead that would seem "comfortable", we'd have to win 30 every year and Kansas only win 20 total in the same year for 5 years in a row to even open 50 games lead....not likely.
The all time wins lead is a big deal in my opinion.
Feels like it should have grown during the Cal era. Really surprised it hasn't. But, KU has been really successful as well during this same time.
Feels like it should have grown during the Cal era. Really surprised it hasn't. But, KU has been really successful as well during this same time.
I think UK will add some games next year. KU is losing Jackson, Mason and Lucas and may also lose Graham as well. IK KU does not get Duval it will not have a great team.
KU wins a lot of games...they don't do much when it matters but they win a ton. Consistent.
I said years ago on this board, to a chorus of boos, that Kansas would eventually catch and surpass us in wins. They were third at the time. I still firmly believe they will. Especially after Cal is gone and we chew through coaches for a while. I imagine we'll drop to third for a stretch.
Kentucky and UNC have higher highs, but can reach lower lows. Kansas just keeps plugging along and doing Kansas things. For most part they always have.
Kentucky and UNC have higher highs, but can reach lower lows. Kansas just keeps plugging along and doing Kansas things. For most part they always have.
Call me when they get in our neighborhood for all-time winning percentage.
My biggest concern is an hourly worker at a burrito factory retroactively looking at paper clippings and deciding that Kansas should have had more wins . Something that legit would be counted , would be just like our real wins .
KU isn't losing Graham. Graham has to prove he can play point to make the league. And without Mason the point is all Graham's.
Azubuike was starting over Lucas before he got hurt. So, a healthy Azubuike > Lucas.
Self has said Malik Newman has been the best player in practice. Newman, and perhaps Duvall, should more than replace Mason's scoring.
Jackson will be a loss for the Jayhawks. But Bragg it appears has begun to put it together the last few games after a slow start. An improved Bragg, Billy Preston, and a healthy Colbey should very well be able to compensate for the loss of JJ.
KU also has top 40 recruits Marcus Garrett and Sam Cunliffe coming in. And Vick has become quite the player the last few weeks. And even if Self doesn't get Duvall (50/50 according to Evan Daniels), Mark Smith is very high on the Hawks and Tilmon maybe available should Groce get canned. Tilmon had KU in his top 3 before choosing Illinois.
So, KU could very well be better next year.
If you're talking the last 15-20 years then Kansas has been winning at a slightly higher percentage than UK. But overall UK has been more consistent. Pretty much since the early 1930's UK has been between 70 - 80+ win%. The only real exception was in the late 40s/early 50's when they got up to 90+ win%.
You should be concerned if the lead was decreasing. But it is really just holding steady because while UK has been on a tremendous run, KU has also been winning a lot of games. They have won 30 games or more in5 different seasons, and should do it again this season.
Looks like every team benefited in the last 15 to 20 years from the Tubby/BCG era , except Indiana [laughing]If you're talking the last 15-20 years then Kansas has been winning at a slightly higher percentage than UK. But overall UK has been more consistent. Pretty much since the early 1930's UK has been between 70 - 80+ win%. The only real exception was in the late 40s/early 50's when they got up to 90+ win%.
I always respect your opinion and appreciate the data you bring. You're one of my favorite resources we have honestly.If you're talking the last 15-20 years then Kansas has been winning at a slightly higher percentage than UK. But overall UK has been more consistent. Pretty much since the early 1930's UK has been between 70 - 80+ win%. The only real exception was in the late 40s/early 50's when they got up to 90+ win%.
I just think the modern version of us moving forward will be more like the last 30. I doubt we get a 42 year run with a great coach again. I think we will eat up coaches between great ones and Kansas will sneak up.
Hopefully I'm wrong. I just think it will happen.
Kansas wins a lot of home games with the help of the officials helping them. Should of had at lest 3 L at home this year.
All I can say is that despite what many UK fans may think, the all-time wins list is not something that UK owns. There's been a number of teams through the years which have held the record.
Kentucky has become the leader and lost it, and regained it back. That will likely happen in the future as well.
For those who are interested in seeing which teams have held the all-time wins record at various times in history, they can check the following link which shows the leaders on a decade-by-decade basis.
Link to All-Time Wins history
That makes zero sense. I'm very sure they aim for national title's. Strange post.
Eventually Kansas will make a bad hire again and have to watch us either re pass them or stretch the lead like we had to watch others catch up to us during the tubby years.
Cal is winning about 31 games/year since he's been here, with a brand new team every season. Kansas returns most of their veterans each years, and often sprinkles in guys like Wiggins, Jackson, etc. I'm surprised Kansas isn't closer, to be completely honest.
Was Calipari supposed to average 34-35 wins/season with a brand new team of freshmen each year?
Self is only 54 years old. He's going to be there for a while.
If any of us are still biting our finger nails about the all-time wins list when Self finally hangs 'em up, we might consider other life pursuits for a bit.
This is the reason why some of us do look at post count. Someone with 33 posts starting a thread like this is probably trolling. Even if not, I have a bigger concern today with trying to figure out what I am going to order at Mac's Cafe for breakfast.
No way no how! What about Miles Bridges? Can Izzo talk him into staying another year? I say no!
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They'll have Newman, Svi, Preston, Bragg, and Azubuike with Vick being a 6th man.... thats all i know of who will be on their team but thats a top 15 team at worst and yet another Big 12 title.
everyone on this board like to say next year UNC, Duke, UL, and KU will be down........ and how often does it happen? People need to learn the lesson that great coaches find ways to win.
Actually yeah.. with the freshman he gets every year I think we all thought that in the beginning.
The Big 12, despite the smoke talking heads blow up our butts every season, is pretty much overrated every year. That conference is barely better than the SEC, and it's been that way for a while now. It will be easy for them to stay close because of that.
Outside of KU and last year with Buddy Hield, who has really truly been a threat to win it all from that conference other than KU. Nobody. 2 of 3 times in past 11 years where Florida has been a title contender they won it all. The 3rd time, ended when Florida lost in the Final Four to eventual champ UConn. The last non -KU Final Four team other than OU, I believe was in 03 or 04 and it was OK. St.
Outside of KU and last year with Buddy Hield, who has really truly been a threat to win it all from that conference other than KU. Nobody. 2 of 3 times in past 11 years where Florida has been a title contender they won it all. The 3rd time, ended when Florida lost in the Final Four to eventual champ UConn. The last non -KU Final Four team other than OU, I believe was in 03 or 04 and it was OK. St.