would Cal make a difference???

NoDef

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Cal shouldn't have to give a crap about football, although I think we could just give him Stoops salary and get the same or better results. We have supported this crap for 50 years and all we can get is a defensive coordinator with no head coaching experience to come here and coach.
 
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Yes. Very much so.
You said, "Do resign and give back half of you pay on every job that you aren't perfect at?" referring to that Stoops and Co. did everything near perfect. I would like to point out that he was far from perfect, as a matter of fact, he was less than 50% perfect, and that is in only W-L area. Am I not understanding your post? If I am, I apologize.
 

irishcat1965

Heisman
Apr 22, 2012
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I feel that if Cal talked to Mitch and said "either he goes or I go", then UK could get rid of Stoops.

UK should open the vault for Miles. Or, I read that Caroll doesn't like the situation in Seattle, maybe offer him a huge contract?
So let's see. Let's choose between Miles or Pete Carroll. Just for for the hell of it, throw in Saban and Urban Myer. Pick among those four and UK is golden.
 
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merrimanm

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You said, "Do resign and give back half of you pay on every job that you aren't perfect at?" referring to that Stoops and Co. did everything near perfect. I would like to point out that he was far from perfect, as a matter of fact, he was less than 50% perfect, and that is in only W-L area. Am I not understanding your post? If I am, I apologize.
Not what I am saying at all. I am saying that if you make the statement that someone should resign their job and pay back money for not living up to the standards of certain people other than your boss, then you should do the same thing. That is why I asked the poster if he did at his job what he is saying Stoops should do..
 
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I think it is Cal's best interest for the football program to be in the sad state it is in. It makes the Big Blue nation appreciate and love the basketball team and Cal even more. The Cal hype train can start as early as September since you know the football team won't be stealing the attention away. He would have top priority for financial resources.

Bingo
 
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yoshukai

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If he went to Mitch and said cmon man these fans deserve better than this garbage would something be done?
Considering Cal and Barnhart can't stand each other and never speak , I doubt it would do much good .
 

ulismyman

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How in the world would you possibly know Cal and Mitch cant stand each other...goofy statement
 
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Not what I am saying at all. I am saying that if you make the statement that someone should resign their job and pay back money for not living up to the standards of certain people other than your boss, then you should do the same thing. That is why I asked the poster if he did at his job what he is saying Stoops should do..

Very good point. I stand corrected. I also agree with that point 100%, we offered Coach Stoops the big contract, I don't blame him for taking it. I am just waiting for the results to pay off. I hope I don't have to die before they do. (tongue in cheek)
 
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LowCountryCat

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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! That's funny. I bet you would. What does that amount he is making matter? It is his job. So if you practice what you preach, then you should be giving back to your employer pretty often as I know you have made some mistakes at your job.
You keep using words like "not perfect" and "making mistakes." But that is a false description of what Stoops has done. He doesn't just make mistakes. He's a COLOSSAL FAILURE. If you're a COLOSSAL FAILURE at your job, you get fired. Plain and simple. If you have a huge buyout like Stoops, you have your employer over a barrel and the employer should hold the person responsible who gave Stoops this huge buyout. This is logical and sound reasoning, and you are so deep into denial and defending Stoops that you couldn't see it even if your life depended on it.
 

KendallCat

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You keep using words like "not perfect" and "making mistakes." But that is a false description of what Stoops has done. He doesn't just make mistakes. He's a COLOSSAL FAILURE. If you're a COLOSSAL FAILURE at your job, you get fired. Plain and simple. If you have a huge buyout like Stoops, you have your employer over a barrel and the employer should hold the person responsible who gave Stoops this huge buyout. This is logical and sound reasoning, and you are so deep into denial and defending Stoops that you couldn't see it even if your life depended on it.

I think the issue is when even the casual fan can watch a game and see the lack of preparation, player development, game management, clock management i.e. things that can be directly associated with the coaching staff they realize that no matter who they bring in it won't matter. This staff is not a good group of teachers - period. They don't teach the defense how to shed blockers and have the proper technique when tackling. They don't teach the wr's how to catch with their hands, nor do they teach the oline the proper footwork and use of their hands when blocking - too much stabbing and grabbing which results in holding calls or false starts. We have a pair of 4 star QB's that cannot play well enough to drive us down the field versus Auburn, Florida, or Vandy for a win. We are up 21-0 on Louisville, and everyone can see Stoops with his fingerprints all over the offense trying to slow everything down to bleed the clock for 3 quarters. How as a defensive oriented coach do you not teach contain on the QB who runs the same play over and over and the DE bites inside every time rather than setting the edge and containing him inside? Who is coaching these guys? Was watching the Stanford last second FG thinking "if this was Stoops he would ice him about now." Pretty sad.
 
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merrimanm

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You keep using words like "not perfect" and "making mistakes." But that is a false description of what Stoops has done. He doesn't just make mistakes. He's a COLOSSAL FAILURE. If you're a COLOSSAL FAILURE at your job, you get fired. Plain and simple. If you have a huge buyout like Stoops, you have your employer over a barrel and the employer should hold the person responsible who gave Stoops this huge buyout. This is logical and sound reasoning, and you are so deep into denial and defending Stoops that you couldn't see it even if your life depended on it.
No he isn't. He hasn't been great, but he hasn't been a complete failure either. What a ridiculous statement. Now you quit letting your hatred of Stoops cloud you vision. I have stated many times that Stoops has made mistakes and that some things need to change. But he also has done plenty right.
 

LowCountryCat

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No he isn't. He hasn't been great, but he hasn't been a complete failure either. What a ridiculous statement. Now you quit letting your hatred of Stoops cloud you vision. I have stated many times that Stoops has made mistakes and that some things need to change. But he also has done plenty right.
No he hasn't. Even his recruiting is next to last in the conference. He's barely beaten our cupcake schedule and he's lost to UofL three straight seasons despite, allegedly, outrecruiting them. He's a complete and utter failure.

And as far as my hatred of Stoops - you can shove that one you know where, I've never said I hated him, I definitely wanted him to succeed, I just realized MUCH SOONER than you did that he wasn't going to get it done. I guess you need to accuse the rest of the fanbase on this board of the exact same thing, because except for you and a couple of 12 year olds, everybody else sees that Stoops is a failure.
 

numberonedad

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Sep 16, 2009
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No he isn't. He hasn't been great, but he hasn't been a complete failure either. What a ridiculous statement. Now you quit letting your hatred of Stoops cloud you vision. I have stated many times that Stoops has made mistakes and that some things need to change. But he also has done plenty right.
you may be right, but the bottom line is WINS AND LOSSES. and sad to say, after 3 years he is no better then Joker. you do know what happened after jokers third year don't you?
 

LowCountryCat

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I'm waiting for the next 'talking season' as Stoops calls it. He's going to have his "Call me when we're 2-10" moment. Bank it.
 

reflaine

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you may be right, but the bottom line is WINS AND LOSSES. and sad to say, after 3 years he is no better then Joker. you do know what happened after jokers third year don't you?

So five is no better then 2? We went from 2 jokers last year, 2 stoops first year to five and stayed at five this year. That trend seems alittle better then jokers of 6, 5, and the two.
 
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LowCountryCat

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So five is no better then 2? We went from 2 jokers last year, 2 stoops first year to five and stayed at five this year. That trend seems alittle better then jokers of 6, 5, and the two.
Keep it up, champ. Keep defending Stoops.
 

reflaine

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You keep using words like "not perfect" and "making mistakes." But that is a false description of what Stoops has done. He doesn't just make mistakes. He's a COLOSSAL FAILURE. If you're a COLOSSAL FAILURE at your job, you get fired. Plain and simple. If you have a huge buyout like Stoops, you have your employer over a barrel and the employer should hold the person responsible who gave Stoops this huge buyout. This is logical and sound reasoning, and you are so deep into denial and defending Stoops that you couldn't see it even if your life depended on it.
As a marketing professional, i take over a company who is losing money, lets say75 percent. In year one I start my process of tring to turn this said company around and we maintain the exact profit/loss margin. We had been on a major decline, company was
The joke of the country, but we stopped the sinking ship. Next year we take our profit and loss to just a 20 percent loss. Show good strides and we are now moving on the direction. People are starting to take notice now. Our products are alittle stronger, but still in early developement. Year three, our product is getting a continuing to get a little better, but we've taken some risk to try and take it to the next level. This good be a marketing campaign that just didn't hit the way we thought, tried to switch the Branding of the face of our company (qb change, showing more risk on a fourth down early in second half of if a game and some other mistakes that just didn't on out.m). But we still maintained where we were. Our company has better resources to compete with our competitors but still looking for a break to be the next big thing.

Is this a complete failure For a company or are we trending up slowly. Yes we might not have a big as seen on tv product that just exploded to top of sales charts, but we are making gains.
 
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LowCountryCat

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As a marketing professional, i take over a company who is losing money, lets say75 percent. In year one I start my process of tring to turn this said company around and we maintain the exact profit/loss margin. We had been on a major decline, company was
The joke of the country, but we stopped the sinking ship. Next year we take our profit and loss to just a 20 percent loss. Show good strides and we are now moving on the direction. People are starting to take notice now. Our products are alittle stronger, but still in early developement. Year three, our product is getting a continuing to get a little better, but we've taken some risk to try and take it to the next level. This good be a marketing campaign that just didn't hit the way we thought, tried to switch the Branding of the face of our company (qb change, showing more risk on a fourth down early in second half of if a game and some other mistakes that just didn't on out.m). But we still maintained where we were. Our company has better resources to compete with our competitors but still looking for a break to be the next big thing.

Is this a complete failure For a company or are we trending up slowly. Yes we might not have a big as seen on tv product that just exploded to top of sales charts, but we are making gains.
tl;dr
 

UK90

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Dec 30, 2007
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Or, I read that Caroll doesn't like the situation in Seattle, maybe offer him a huge contract?

Oh, for god's sake. Please tell me you're not really this delusional. Yeah, a guy who's won recent national championships and Super Bowls is gonna be interested in a notorious graveyard job like UK football...

Lord almighty, the level of cumulative stupid on this thread is truly something to behold.
 

numberonedad

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So five is no better then 2? We went from 2 jokers last year, 2 stoops first year to five and stayed at five this year. That trend seems alittle better then jokers of 6, 5, and the two.
you obviously aren't a football guy/ One way of measuring a coach is by QUALITY wins, another is PLAYER DEVELOPMENT, another is making PROGRESS as a program. This program is worse this year then it was last year. NO player is any better this year then last, and i would argue several have got WORSE
 

KendallCat

Heisman
Sep 14, 2002
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you obviously aren't a football guy/ One way of measuring a coach is by QUALITY wins, another is PLAYER DEVELOPMENT, another is making PROGRESS as a program. This program is worse this year then it was last year. NO player is any better this year then last, and i would argue several have got WORSE

+1

That is the real issue - nobody has improved on the team or staff despite everyone being a year older with more experience.
 

Katwatcher

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Feb 17, 2003
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I honestly think that Cal could turn it over to Dawson and Elliott and could equal Stoops record through motivation alone. I could promise you that he would have a bunch of players that would run through a brick wall for him. :smiley:

Yea, but would they run through at the right spot:weary:
 
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Oh, for god's sake. Please tell me you're not really this delusional. Yeah, a guy who's won recent national championships and Super Bowls is gonna be interested in a notorious graveyard job like UK football...

Lord almighty, the level of cumulative stupid on this thread is truly something to behold.

I think he'd consider it, especially if Cal called him and gave a good pitch. It is the SEC.
 

yoshukai

Heisman
Dec 21, 2002
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How in the world would you possibly know Cal and Mitch cant stand each other...goofy statement
Because I do know . Believe it or not there are people with more connections than you ( which is apparently Zero) to to the program . This isn't even some kind of well kept secret . EVERYBODY in the basketball department knows this . Why do you think they hired Willard as a basketball only athletic director . He is the go between for Cal and Mitch . That way they don't have to deal with each other . Cal knows that Mitch would have never hired him and Mitch can't stand it that the basketball coaching hire was taken out of his hands . This is fact .
 

UK90

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I think he'd consider it, especially if Cal called him and gave a good pitch. It is the SEC.

It's the SEC in the same sense that Wake Forest is the ACC and Iowa State is the Big 12--long known as the conference's traditional graveyard program where coaching careers go to die.

Sorry, dude, but you really need to put down the crack pipe. Thinking that a coach would dump an NFL team coming off back to back super bowls for the perpetual train wreck that is UK football is one of the most insanely delusional things ever posted here.

And please quit with the "if Cal called him" nonsense. Contrary to what some of our fans seem to believe, Cal is not superman, he is just a college basketball coach, he doesn't have the power to make NFL head coaches bend to his will.
 
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bthaunert

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Apr 4, 2007
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Because I do know . Believe it or not there are people with more connections than you ( which is apparently Zero) to to the program . This isn't even some kind of well kept secret . EVERYBODY in the basketball department knows this . Why do you think they hired Willard as a basketball only athletic director . He is the go between for Cal and Mitch . That way they don't have to deal with each other . Cal knows that Mitch would have never hired him and Mitch can't stand it that the basketball coaching hire was taken out of his hands . This is fact .
You do know that Peevy is more than a "Basketball AD", right? I am assuming that is who you meant when you said Willard.