Would you be calling for Sabans head?

[mrhotdice]

I get the feeling that their is a double standard because Stoops is a first time coach. If Saban was at UK and if he had the same record would these fans still be asking for Sabans head? Would they be saying he needs more time, he needs better recruits, he needs to create depth to be successful in the SEC? What if it was Leach, or Petrino, or any coach? What if Brooks came back and had the same record would they be given a pass?

Just wondering.

 

[KumarCat]

Saban wouldn't have a horrible football team in year three. It's a pointless question.

 

[Formerly Imafan4evr_]

It doesn't matter to me who is roaming the sidelines when it comes to judging whether we field a team prepared and organized to play to their fullest potential. If Nick Saban made this many repetitive in-game blunders, I'd judge him just as harshly. As far as asking for Stoops' head; I willingly give him another season before I'm confident enough in my stance to say he needs to stay or go. I went all in on him when hired, I just hope he can learn from his in-game mistakes this season and hold recruiting together.

 

[jnewc2_rivals30628]

Your premise is flawed..you're assuming that Saban or another decent coach would be leading a program that looks as bad as this in year three of their tenure..but that being said, I don't care if it was Bear Bryant, if a coach came in and looked as bad as we've looked I'd have some serious, serious questions about what was going on and whether he's the guy..but at the end of the day the whole conversation is a moot point because those coaches wouldn't be this bad in year three

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Saban wouldn't have a horrible football team in year three. It's a pointless question.

This. Saban would not have lost to effin Vandy and not almost lost to EKU/ULL. He probably would have found a way to beat AU and FL as well....and we'd have better players here if he was our coach. Surely the OP does not think Stoops can recruit as well as Saban.

 

[Snarks]

This is a really dumb post.....Sabans teams would at least be organized

 

[Krisys]

If you think our team would look this poor in year 3 of Saban, I really don't know what to say to you.

 

[Krisys]

Honestly, I would bet the title to my car that if Saban coached this exact team this year, we would have won the east. He's that good.

 

[PushupMan]

I get the feeling that their is a double standard because Stoops is a first time coach. If Saban was at UK and if he had the same record would these fans still be asking for Sabans head? Would they be saying he needs more time, he needs better recruits, he needs to create depth to be successful in the SEC? What if it was Leach, or Petrino, or any coach? What if Brooks came back and had the same record would they be given a pass?

Just wondering.

I don't think there's any doubt that if you hire someone with a proven track record of success that they get more leeway from both the fans and the athletic director.

Schnellenberger went 2-9, 3-8 and 3-7-1 in his first three seasons at UofL. I specifically remember year three (I was in engineering grad school) that the local radio stations were not shy at all about mocking Schnellenberger's "collision course" statement from two year's earlier.

It all worked out, of course, as the Cards went 8-3 in that fourth season. But year three was no picnic at all, even with a proven coach. So it's quite understandable for many in the fan base to lose faith in a rookie head coach. But I do think that Stoops has done well enough through these first three years that he deserves to get a chance at coaching his first recruits as redshirt juniors and seniors.

 

[Kai Slater]

With Master Nick Saban coaching our team, we would at least be better organized and be more competitive.

 

[kyboy1998_rivals34276]

You wouldn't have seen the mistakes you are seeing if Saban or Brooks were coaching.

By year three Saban would have possibly won the east given our schedule.

Brooks couldn't recruit due to age and his name being more west cost viable. If given the current roster I honestly believe he'd have won 9, 8 at worst, against this schedule.

 

[merrimanm]

Saban's first 4 years at Michigan state
6-6
6-6
7-5
6-6

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I get the feeling that their is a double standard because Stoops is a first time coach. If Saban was at UK and if he had the same record would these fans still be asking for Sabans head? Would they be saying he needs more time, he needs better recruits, he needs to create depth to be successful in the SEC? What if it was Leach, or Petrino, or any coach? What if Brooks came back and had the same record would they be given a pass?

Just wondering.

You are trying to compare apples to oranges. Saban has been a head coach many years, he is in his twilight years of coaching, he has near 10 times the experience Stoops has as a head coach. Saban didn't begin his career winning big, in fact he was winning at about a 60% rate until he got to LSU. He learned from his mistakes, he learned what he had to do to be an ultra successful head coach. Even with that, he still makes mistakes, remember the FG against AU 2 years ago, kicker had never made one that distance but he went for it, AU returned it for winning TD. Stoops is learning on the job in a tough conference, he isn't learning in the MAC, every mistake is taken advantage of. Is he UK's answer I don't know, that's something the UK administration will have to decide, but you can't compare him to one of the top 2, if not the top coach in the country that has about 30 years experience on him.

 

[Anon1713320623]

Can't really be compared, zero chance Saban would have this team in year 3, we would more than likely be sitting at zero or 1 loss ranked in the top 10 ...

 

[Dunkapotamus_rivals209832]

Hey man just give me a coach that won't call a timeout to punt or allow "hot hand" 5/17 22 yards Towles back on the field in that game against a team with WORSE recruits than us.

 

[LowCountryCat]

The lowest NATIONALLY ranked recruiting class Saban's brought in since he came to Bama was #3. Other than that, it's 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1.

So yeah, I'd be giving him time.

Stoops: 13, 9, 13

 

[LowCountryCat]

You are trying to compare apples to oranges. Saban has been a head coach many years, he is in his twilight years of coaching, he has near 10 times the experience Stoops has as a head coach. Saban didn't begin his career winning big, in fact he was winning at about a 60% rate until he got to LSU. He learned from his mistakes, he learned what he had to do to be an ultra successful head coach. Even with that, he still makes mistakes, remember the FG against AU 2 years ago, kicker had never made one that distance but he went for it, AU returned it for winning TD. Stoops is learning on the job in a tough conference, he isn't learning in the MAC, every mistake is taken advantage of. Is he UK's answer I don't know, that's something the UK administration will have to decide, but you can't compare him to one of the top 2, if not the top coach in the country that has about 30 years experience on him.

So.......follow your post to its logical conclusion........how about we bring in a proven, experienced coach with a real track record?

I believe Jim Tressel is available.

 

[LowCountryCat]

Saban's first 4 years at Michigan state
6-6
6-6
7-5
6-6

Wow that's WORLDS better than Stoops. That's 4 bowls in today's schedule. Barney would have signed him to "coach for life"

 

[gojvc]

So.......follow your post to its logical conclusion........how about we bring in a proven, experienced coach with a real track record?

I believe Jim Tressel is available.

The Vest is obviously a proven coach but has a "show-cause" penalty on him. He'd be a tough hire for anyone to make for a couple years at least.

 

[ThatManJBeezyDoe4UK]

No because Sabah is a proven head coach. Stoops has yet to prove a damn thing.

 

[LowCountryCat]

The Vest is obviously a proven coach but has a "show-cause" penalty on him. He'd be a tough hire for anyone to make for a couple years at least.

I'd take him. We could hire him in 2017 and get rid of Stoops, and his show cause would be expired.

 

[gojvc]

Wow that's WORLDS better than Stoops. That's 4 bowls in today's schedule. Barney would have signed him to "coach for life"

Also, Saban's first year at Michigan State the non-conference opponents they played were Nebraska, Louisville, Boston College, and LSU in their bowl. He didn't get 3 free victories the way most coaches do now.

 

[trav55_rivals214556]

I get the feeling that their is a double standard because Stoops is a first time coach. If Saban was at UK and if he had the same record would these fans still be asking for Sabans head? Would they be saying he needs more time, he needs better recruits, he needs to create depth to be successful in the SEC? What if it was Leach, or Petrino, or any coach? What if Brooks came back and had the same record would they be given a pass?

Just wondering.

Double standard? Stoops is an unproven first time head coach. Saban has won national championships. So it wouldn't be anything close to comparable let alone double standard.

Are you saying you would give stoops the same money as you would saban to come here? Obviously I'm not arguing saban coming here because that's borderline insanity but if you honestly can say you'd give him the same contract that would be an assanine decision. But if not, then is that a double standard. NO. It's apples and oranges. The two aren't under the same circumstances.

 

[Cats_2010]

I wouldn't be calling for stoops head if he was showing signs of learning from his mistakes. Actually still not calling for his head but my confidence in his coaching abilities have greatly diminished. He continues to make the same mistakes week after week and is only getting worse not better.

Pretty tired of his getting back to work line too. Repeating the same thing week after week following losses is a sign of not having the first clue what to do to remedy the situation.

 

[Lonesome Hippopotamus]

I don't believe any coach could be criticism free if they have went on skids 2 years in a row like this team has. Saban INCLUDED.

 

[KittyKat1978]

I don't believe any coach could be criticism free if they have went on skids 2 years in a row like this team has. Saban INCLUDED.

Saban MIGHT have a couple of bad years while rebuilding here...but the losses wouldn't have involved mistakes you typically see during pee wee football.

 

[chuckster.sixpack]

I get the feeling that their is a double standard because Stoops is a first time coach. If Saban was at UK and if he had the same record would these fans still be asking for Sabans head? Would they be saying he needs more time, he needs better recruits, he needs to create depth to be successful in the SEC? What if it was Leach, or Petrino, or any coach? What if Brooks came back and had the same record would they be given a pass?

Just wondering.

A better question would be why didn't it take guys like Freeze, Spurrier, Mullen and Franklin 4 years to turn things around at their respective schools. And the answer is not that they inherited better situations.

 

[CB3UK]

Ridiculous thread. Saban showed progress at Toledo, Michigan State, LSU, and Alabama each season. By years 3-4 that progress was in fact significant. Maybe even he couldn't get Kentucky to Atlanta, but we damn sure wouldnt be regressing every game in season three and starting a new QB the second to last game of the season.

I still support Stoops because I like his fire and passion, but at some point we need to see results. I said four years, maybe five is a reasonable window to decide if we're on the right track. I thought we were until this season. If we get to a bowl game, these other issues aside, it will still be progress.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

So.......follow your post to its logical conclusion........how about we bring in a proven, experienced coach with a real track record?

I believe Jim Tressel is available.

I wasn't suggesting you need a new coach, I don't have input there. But its not fair to compare them when they are at opposite ends of their careers. Personally I wouldn't want Tressel at UGA, tOSU lost every game to an SEC team they played except the game he begged the NCAA to allow 5 suspended players to play in the bowl and sit out the opener. They all left early or transferred. Every program might have a tat shop handing out tats to players, but every coach didn't lie to the NCAA and attempt to cover it up. He had some issues at Youngstown too that were shady, an unethical guy in my opinion.

 

[Bluetick2100]

So.......follow your post to its logical conclusion........how about we bring in a proven, experienced coach with a real track record?

I believe Jim Tressel is available.

Please tell me why in he77 would Jim Tressel ever ever ever consider coming to the grave yard of coaches?
Let's just offer Saban. If your going to dream, dream big.

 

[merrimanm]

Wow that's WORLDS better than Stoops. That's 4 bowls in today's schedule. Barney would have signed him to "coach for life"

Not when you consider the team that was left in place before each coach took the reigns and the schedule that each team has played.

 

[TBCat]

I get the feeling that their is a double standard because Stoops is a first time coach. If Saban was at UK and if he had the same record would these fans still be asking for Sabans head? Would they be saying he needs more time, he needs better recruits, he needs to create depth to be successful in the SEC? What if it was Leach, or Petrino, or any coach? What if Brooks came back and had the same record would they be given a pass?

Just wondering.

No sure I get the logic here. Why would comparing a coach with years of experience and national titles to a first time coach be a double standard? That's like saying it was a double standard for fans giving Calipari patience when he lost to Robert Morris but not giving Gillispie the same latitude for losing to Garder Webb. Cal earned his latitude Gillispie didn't. Just because some other coach fell on his face as well doesn't mean that Gillispie will turn out the same as Cal. He clearly wasn't going to.

By the same token Saban has earned the latitude that Stoops doesn't have. That doesn't mean that you turn on Stoops after the first inexplicable loss but this is far from his first inexplicable loss.

Also it's worth stating that it's not just the losing it's the manner in which we lose. I rank Derek Mason as a subpar coach with a terrible roster. You put Mason up against Alabama and they'll lose but they'll lose by something like 21-14. You put Stoops on the field against the same Alabama team and the score will be more like 77 to 3. That is ridiculous and it is unacceptable in year one let alone year 3.

 

[merrimanm]

Also, Saban's first year at Michigan State the non-conference opponents they played were Nebraska, Louisville, Boston College, and LSU in their bowl. He didn't get 3 free victories the way most coaches do now.

It would be a good idea to research before making such comments. But since you didn't I did it for you.
The year before Saban became head coach, MSU was 5-6
Saban's first year they were 6--5-1. You mention Boston College as an out of conference opponent. Yeah, they were 4-8 that year and LSU was down for them at 7-4-1.
1995 (Saban's first year) 6-5-1
-Purdue 4-6-1
-BC 4-8
-Illinois 5-5-1
-Minnesota 3-8
-Wisconsin 4-5-2
-Indiana 2-9
Not exactly tough there.

1996: 6-6
-Purdue 3-8
-UL 5-6
-Eastern Michigan 3-8 MAC team
-Illinois 2-9
-Minnesota 4-7
-Indiana 3-8

1997 7-6
-Western Michigan 8-3 MAC team
-Memphis 4-7 CUSA team
-Notre Dame 7-6
-Minnesota 2-9
-Indiana 2-9
-Northwestern 5-7
-Illinois- 0-11

1998 6-6
-Central Michigan 6-5 MAC team
-Indiana 4-7
-Minnesota 5-6
-Northwestern 3-9
-Illinois 3-9

So in 4 years with an absolutely awful schedule, Saban improved the team on aver 1 game from his predecessor. It was year 5 that he had his breakout year.

Oh, and he had one year at Toledo before MSU that he went 9-2. So he had 1 year head coaching experience before MSU.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Saban's first 4 years at Michigan state
6-6
6-6
7-5
6-6

Not sure what this has to do with the OP's dumb point. He was talking about Saban NOW with all his history and clout he would bring to the program. Not Saban roughly 20 years ago.

 

[merrimanm]

Not sure what this has to do with the OP's dumb point. He was talking about Saban NOW with all his history and clout he would bring to the program. Not Saban roughly 20 years ago.

Well, it has clout because it proves that even Hall of Famers had struggles early in their careers. It also puts to rest that just because Stoops has made mistakes and not set the world on fire, that he can't be a great head coach. So sense this thread was comparing Saban and Stoops (which at this point isn't fair to Stoops) I looked at Saban's record for his first couple of years of being a head coach at a major school.

 

[shutzhund]

Honestly, I would bet the title to my car that if Saban coached this exact team this year, we would have won the east. He's that good.

You like walking? He's a great coach but not known for miracles.

 

[LowCountryCat]

Well, it has clout because it proves that even Hall of Famers had struggles early in their careers. It also puts to rest that just because Stoops has made mistakes and not set the world on fire, that he can't be a great head coach. So sense this thread was comparing Saban and Stoops (which at this point isn't fair to Stoops) I looked at Saban's record for his first couple of years of being a head coach at a major school.

We get it, you'll defend Stoops until the day he leaves.

 

[merrimanm]

We get it, you'll defend Stoops until the day he leaves.

We get it. This type of response and insults are what you come back with when you can't make a rational argument or want to igore the facts. That seems to be every post you make.

 

[LowCountryCat]

We get it. This type of response and insults are what you come back with when you can't make a rational argument or want to igore the facts. That seems to be every post you make.

How is that an insult? You defended Joker well into year 3 - THAT'S a fact. You are who you are - I was being observational. You're the one getting defensive and butthurt.

 

[merrimanm]

How is that an insult? You defended Joker well into year 3 - THAT'S a fact. You are who you are - I was being observational. You're the one getting defensive and butthurt.

Not butt hurt at all. I have my opinion and you have yours. And I already told you that I supported Joker until halfway through his last year. Never denied that. But at that point, I also agreed that it was time to move on.

And it is funny how you and that other guy that follow my posts around respond like you know me. "You are who you are" type stuff. You don't know who I am at all. Lol. It's funny though actually. You and the other guy have so much anger about this stuff. It isn't that important. It's opinions. It will all be ok.