When I speak I use facts to at least try and shut you up.. You use opinions with no facts to back up your statements and you like to pretend you're right and know what you're talking about when facts prove you wrong. You're the most useless poster to discuss football with on this entire board bar none. No one worse than this guy he doesn't have a logical bone in his entire body.
Would you be calling for Sabans head?
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I have presented plenty of facts. Actually did an entire breakdown on our depth chart to prove what we are dealing with with from a talent standpoint and experience standpoint. Didn't see you respond to that thread. I also presented facts on probably the best coach in the game right now in Nick Saban and what he accomplished at MSU in his first 5 years he was there, which was his 6th year as a head coach overall, and what he started with as opposed to Stoops in his young career and what he started with. Yet, I didn't see you respond to that post. I have stated many stats. And according to you, stats don't lie, which again, is not always true.
Your problem is, you think this stuff is personal. It isn't about you man. You aren't that important.
Oh, and I also used the fact that JRowland asked his sources and they immediately shot down the idea of divide and that they hate Towles and Stoops. Yet, you think you know more than him as you continue to make that part of your argument.
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Believe what you want to believe. Don't let facts skew your opinion fight the fight brother!
All the media with Radio knows more than him and you I can bet you that much.. You're just pathetic talent isn't the issue coaching is if you can't see that then you're dumb beyond repair.
Prove they know more than JRowland. That statement proves you are just throwing stufff out there.
And you continue with the insults. You are making yourself look really immature. I will pray for you man. It's just a message board full of opinions. Not life or death.
Um throwing facts at you that prove your opinions wrong are not my opinions. They're facts. and you're still going at it. I'm not taking any of this personal I just wish fans like you didn't exist in our fanbase. You defended joker til the end. Nuff said. You have zero credibility in this board so say whatever you want from now on it doesn't matter. And yes I'd assume people like Matt jones and Tom leach have more inside info than jrowland? Jeez man. You kidding me?
I have presented facts to. You ignore them.
And you don't know a freakin thing about me and my fanhood. If you did you wouldn't make that comment. Buy I would argue that the fire every coach after 3 years fan is more damaging than any fan that supports the team. Need proof and facts? Go look at our history of hiring and firing coaches. There is a Stat or fact for you.
And again, prove those guys havre more sources. Matt Jones is a football hater. He wants us to be bad in football. Now, Tom Leach does have some inside information. But a) I haven't seen him say that there was a divide in the locker room and b) no I don't know for sure that he has more or better sources than JRow.
But once again, you prove your immaturity with the insults. And I have plenty of credibility on this board. My credibility is my own analysis and thought process as I don't need anyone on this board to approve my messages. Again, quit making this so personal. It isn't about you.
The fans that want these horrible hires out after 3 years are more damaging than the fans who want these horrible hires to stay here forever? Interesting. I'm guessing if joker was still here we'd be doing just fine. And stoops. The guys doing a helluva job hopefully he doesn't leave us for a better job... El oh effing el!
No. Joker needed to go. I tried to support him, but it became so obvious that I couldn't even do it anymore.
But, yes, those who want the coach fired every 3 years hurt the program more than a supporter. Joker is the only coach you could say that it was that obvious after three years.
And I don't know if you have trouble with reading comprehension or not, but I have said MANY times that Stoops needs to correct some things. But it isn't time to run him out of town because he has made some mistakes. Hell, all coaches make mistakes. Ours are just more magnified because are margin for error is way less than those we play.
I can say with stoops after almost 3 years. That its the right thing to do. I can say that with the highest of confidence. All coaches make errors. Not every coach makes multiple errors every qrtr of football that is played. 4-12 last 16 games with zero quality wins. And you try to suggest we're improving? That's where you lose any credibility you may have had. He makes more coaching errors than any coach I've ever seen in any sport ever.
Again, I have plenty of credibility. And I have seen plenty of successful coaches make many mistakes. Hell, I have seen Steve Spurrier blow games his entire career. It happens to all coaches. Doesn't mean they can't be successful.
But if you really think Joker is better than Stoops, then I don't know what to tell you. Talking about losing credibility.
You're the one that said we're improving every year since stoops has been here when we're 4-12 in our last 16 games with zero quality wins. And you tried to call mizzou and usc quality wins? Yes you have no credibility you stuck by joker too the end. And please stop making excuses for stoops. You haven't seen a coach in your time make as many errors as stoops because I forsure as hell haven't. You're so young minded it's hilarious. Your excuse for stoops is all coaches make mistake? Really now? Name me 3 coaches that make more mistakes than stoops on a every game basis? You just can't do it man. Your excuse for stoops making 20 mistakes every game can't be everyone makes mistakes is it? That seriously can't be your logic there's just no way. Everyone makes mistake yes. No one make 5% of the mistake stoops makes. Is this mark stoops I'm talking to? Must be you have as many excuses for stoops as stoops has for himself. That's unbelievable. Considering everyone knows you here as the guy that stuck by joker til the very end. Means you have zero credibility sorry to break it to you kid.
They are quality wins for us at this point in our history. Those teams were miles ahead of us. With our history hiw can you not call them quality wins? And again, he has improved since the Joker years. If you can't see that then I don't know what to say. 4-12 is just a number. It doesn't show who we played in that time. I will remind you. We were playing teams that were killing us even before Stoops got here. But let's look at the last tow years of Joker and the last two years of Stoops.
Joker record last 2 years 7-17
Stoops- 9-12
We're on a 5 game losing streak against zero ranked teams? And you're trying to say that doesn't show the story of who we've played? And your saying because of history. That the mizzou and usc wins are good wins? Because they're just like us all 3 are trash teams this season doesn't matter what history says we're talking about this season. And all 3 of those teams are trash. And 4-12 with zero quality wins is not improvement you effing child. Ok what's your excuse for stoops not hiring a special teams coach? I wanna hear this one get some laughs.
We have not improved since last season. 4-12 with zero quality wins are the facts. That's proof that we haven't improved. We've regressed. You're the worst man I'm never replying to you again you don't use logic it's so crazy to me you just believe what you want to believe. I've said it before but I'm getting way dumber over here arguing with this guy who has zero knowledge on the sport of football. I'm done. Have fun watching stoops fail and get fired before too long. Wonder what your excuses will be then. But until then deuces. You know nothing. You try to call mizzou and usc quality wins. What are there records this year? You try to argue that 4-12 over last 16 games with zero quality wins is improvement? You're just useless man you bring nothing to football discussions please just leave this board.
You want me to leave this board because you keep saying the same pointless crap over and over even though I continue to prove my point. YES, those wins are quality for us as we have struggled to beat those teams in the past. Let me ask you this. If we would have beaten Florida last uear, would that have been a quality win?
As far as a ST coord. I feel he needs to hire a coach. That is one of the corrections he needs to make.
Pointless facts? And we don't have nor ever have had a 30 game losing streak to USC or mizzou. So what a horrible comparison. How is 4-12 thru last 16 games with zero quality wins pointless facts? Those 'pointless' facts prove we have not improved this season considering we don't have a single quality win this season and the schedule this year was beyond weak compared to previous years. We've had such a piss poor weak schedule this season we've gotten worse since last year we did the same last year with a way more difficult schedule. Joker Phillips beat USC and Tennessee for peeps sake. Stop acting like those wins are special no other program is going to brag about beating this years mizzou and USC teams and you're a fool to believe otherwise. You're the only one hanging their hat on those wins. I've made you look entirely way too dumb on here my work is done bye.
How many wins do we have against teams with winning records going to bowl games this year merriman?
In his first season he played exactly the OOC teams I said he did. No factual error at all. The other teams were all major conference teams. No free victories. You listed 4 years with all of 4 games from non-power conference teams TOTAL. We'd play 12 in that time these days. What a joke. Another horrific take by you.
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Also, Saban's first year at Michigan State the non-conference opponents they played were Nebraska, Louisville, Boston College, and LSU in their bowl. He didn't get 3 free victories the way most coaches do now.
The bolded,underlined statement was your quote. I proved to you that he got three....and then some every year. I don't care if they were major conference teams. Yall are discrediting wins over Vandy, USC, and Mizzouri, then come and say that those horrible teams that Saban got as wins in his first four years were good wins because they are in a major conference. What the hell is the SEC???
In Saban's first year he played SIX teams with a .500 record or below. Finished 6-5-1. Guess where his wins came from?
In his 2nd year, he played SIX teams with a losing record. Finished 6-6. Guess where the wins came from?
In his 3rd year, he played played FIVE teams with a losing record. One of which did not win a game. And played a MAC team, or what you would say a free victory.
In his 4th year,he played FOUR teams with a loosing record and a 6-5 MAC team.
So which one is it? Stoops does or does not have quality wins. Can't have it both ways.
USC is 3-7 and last place in SEC. And you have the nerve to call that a quality win? Might as well call eku and ULL quality wins while you're at it right? When/if we beat Charlotte we're going to claim that as a quality win too right? Every win is against a quality team when UK wins right?
We have awful losing streaks to many SEC team. UGA, MSU, and UT being 3 of them. But UF was about as good as USC and Mizzou this year. So beating a UF team that is equivalent to this years USC and Mizz team would have been a quality win, but not those that they are equivalent to? Doesn't make sense. And don't give me the losing streak, because in that same post you called me dumb for using our history as a reason for losing to them. So again, which is it?
You stole my line when I said that to you the other day lol. You said stoops put towles out on field because towles gives us best chance to win games. Now barker is the one who gives us the best chance to win games? But 3 weeks ago towles was the one who gave us the best chance cuz stoops said so. Now it's barker? Then I said to you which is it you can't have it both ways. Never got an answer from you as far as that goes you ignored it when I asked you that. Sad how you say that to someone when you're the king of trying to have it both ways.
Stop saying which is it when you you're always trying to have it both ways. I don't understand your question. Florida wasn't 3-7 last year like USC is this year. And we don't have a 30 year losing streak of a gorilla on our back against USC like we do Florida. So wtf are you trying to say I don't understand what you're asking you make zero sense right now. Stop stealing my lines when you're the king of having it both ways.
Actually I don't remember that post at all. I have actually said that I wanted Barker and he should have been the guy since halftime of the UGA game. I said I UNDERSTAND WHY, Stoops did what he did. Very different than what you claim. I really think you have a comprehension problem or you have anger issues so bad that you don't read the post with a sane mind.
Yes, the way most coaches do now - CLEARLY indicating to anyone a reference to the three OOC games against mid-majors/FCS teams that almost everyone plays these days. The games against the bottom level teams in the conference all teams have now, always have had, and always will have. You're trying cover for the fact that you're original point was de-bunked. But from a guy who defends Joker Phillips and trashes Nick Saban I no longer expect much.
Florida last year was a million times better than this years USC team. So you're the one that can't have it both ways you're intelligence is beyond repair man you make the worst comparisons acting like they're actually comparable. Our schedule this year was a million times easier than last years. We had a cake schedule this year. Where's the improvement considering we have an identical record to last year? Which is it merriman?
Are you seriously trying to compare a 3-7 last place USC team in a down SEC this year against a 7-5 Florida team last year? What about those 2 teams are equal merriman? Wtf are you talking about man.
How am I trying to have it both ways merriman? You're the one comparing a 7-5 team to a last place 3-7 team saying they're equal? What????? I'm getting dumber talking to you
USC has beaten us 13 of the last 16 years. Guess who has two of those wins? UK has only beaten Spurrier 3 times in it's history. Guess who has 2 of those 3? So no matter what their record, historically beating these teams are quality wins, just like you admitted UF would be if we beat them. So again, you say that we can't use history, except when it comes to UF. Doesn't make sense.
You just said this years USC team is equal to last years Florida team can you please shut up?
So beating a team that's last place in the SEC is a quality win? Thanks for the tip merriman much appreciated.
I am not trashing Nick Saban. Can you read? I actually said in my post that he is probably the best coach in football. Not sure how that is trashing him.
But your argument still doesn't make sense. I don't care what team they are, if they have the records of the teams he beat at MSU, then they are easy or "free" wins. And in the SEC, we hardly ever have that many teams with that many bad records.
For you to say us beating teams that historically are better than us makes a win a quality win. Then that means everytime a team beats us. It will never be a quality win for the rest of history for whatever team that beats us because we historically suck. That's your logic. You can't use history when you play a team that season if the team that season sucks. No matter how good a team is historically if they're a really bad team at the time you beat them. It means it's not a quality win. That's called common sense. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I am just going to take your approach from now on. Post 6 different times instead of putting it all in the same post just so I can call you an idiot all 6 times. That is my new argument. Then maybe you will feel better since you obviously and expert on what dumb is.
So then you do agree that beating UF last year would not have been a quality win? Which is it? Because you said earlier that it would have been because of the history between the teams. I think you are confused.
Your logic. Every time a team beats us for the rest of ever it will never be a quality win for that team because we historically suck regardless of how good we might be one year. Your logic. A 3-7 last place USC team is just as good as a 7-5 Florida team last year.