Would you Sacrifice for Success?

[Wizard.sixpack]

Let's say that you have the power to pay ungodly amounts of money to high profile recruits and pull them to State...

Would it be worth it to you to have a one year that we win the SEC and play in a BCS bowl knowing that after it is all said and done we get busted by NCAA?

just curious....

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

Let's say that you have the power to pay ungodly amounts of money to high profile recruits and pull them to State...

Would it be worth it to you to have a one year that we win the SEC and play in a BCS bowl knowing that after it is all said and done we get busted by NCAA?

just curious....

 

[MeridianDog]

I prefer the honest side of the street. Sleep better as a loser who didn't cheat.

edited to add:

I am a dinosaur -ageneration of old farts.

 

[dawgs123]

It can be done without getting caught. Auburn proved that for us

 

[missouridawg]

but do I wish we'd play the game a little bit? Absolutely... if that's what it takes.

 

[Mjoelner]

I am a dinosaur -ageneration of old farts.

I must be one too because I agree with you.

 

[klerushund]

...I'd do it. They can vacate the championships all they want, but if you lift that crystal ball you are the champs (Auburn, USC, etc.) and no one can rewrite history. You think Auburn fans are worried about someone coming back and saying last season didn't count? No. They won (even though they cheated like crazy to do it). They are enjoying the spoils. It sucks, but that's how it works.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

...the bribery & pay-off money to make this work like Auburn, then go for it.


You can't imagine the people Auburn had to bribe, pay-off & even possibly blackmail to in order to receive that clean slate from the NCAA.

If you think MSU has this type of disposable income laying around, & if you think MSU has enough of a rotten conscience to play this level of dirty pool, then go for it.

 

[State82]

to see that it is done properly. Its not that difficult. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to channel the funds to the proper place with no trail. Hell, it's done on a regular basis. Everybody has a system, except us.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

nm

 

[State82]

tightknit group. AU and UM realize that and play the game as well as you will ever see. They will not get caught. Some schools are just too big and loosely gathered to be efficient.

 

[ScaldedDawg]

"If David Standley hadn't come to us, SMU woulda probably bought a few championships by now" - NCAA Enforcement

Hell, even the governer of Texas was involved.

Eric Dickerson said he would NEVER say anything, and he has been out of football for a while now. Every school offered him BIG bucks. A&M, Texas, TCU, Rice, etc....

 

[Incognegro]

I like football just about as much as the next guy, but this just makes me wonder about everybody's priorities and how willing they are to hurt the university to just win games and championships. If I had the money, that's not the way I'd like to use it, but hey...that's just me I guess.

 

[Todd4State]

Yes if I knew what I was doing. I just don't have the income or ties to do things like get someone's mama "a job".

Really it's not that hard to not get caught. If Auburn can do what they did and not get caught, we can do it too. Our problem is we didn't know what we were doing and we had an AD in LT that wouldn't fight back like Auburn's did, I'm sure if there were questions.

That was why we got in trouble. Not because "we are MSU".

Unfortunately we have too many people that are used to being "good ol' MSU."

Also, I'm not the kind of person that has to hang out with the coaches, have a luxury box, get a silver cowbell at halftime and all of that other BS. I would MUCH MUCH rather win a championship than have all of that other crap.

 

[DerHntr]

Nm

 

[bsquared24]

I believe just as klerushund said.

Pay Pay Pay, assuming anything short of the death penalty sanctions wise and I would prefer us to be holding a crystal ball. No one can take away the run, the fun, the joy the fans would have and the exposure of one national title run is worth more than 30 Gator bowl appearances

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

It's not gaining an advantage anymore, Playing the game puts us back on even ground. Like I said in another post, if recruiting was fair, We would have had Cam Newton lead us to the Sugar or Capital One last year and a heck of a freshman class on campus. But open and blatant cheating killed our past 2 classes. Even the best 17n recruiter out there can't sell early playing time, team unity, atmosphere, and facilities over 180K, a new z71 truck, and a new Camaro. <div>
</div><div>So what do we do? Watch as highly touted commits suddenly think a team that wins some big games and makes a new year's day bowl along with an asswhipping of Michigan doesn't look so hot anymore and decides to suddenly open his recruitment back up around UM influence and go to a team that sat home, lost to previous mentioned team twice in a row, has no positive leader on offense, Coach that is on hotseat from fans, and previously yanked off your lanyard holding your visitors credentials for supposedly cheering for the previously mentioned team? We can pull in the guys that "really want to be at MSU" and rather not be at Tulane, Memphis, Troy, and UAB for the sake of keeping our noses clean and taking the high road. Meanwhile we ***** and moan as the diamonds in the rough lose to LSU, Bama, Arkansas, Auburn, USC, and Florida while squeeking out wins against LA Tech and UAB. </div><div>
</div><div>Hey I hate the idea of greasing a few palms as much as anyone else... but the NCAA just showed us that money talks. Now Pryor being a part of an Ohio State loan a car program isn't that big of a deal now is it? AU sliding a daddy a cool 180 to 200k is a heck of a deal for some big ratings and another multi million dollar check from the SEC. 180k for millions is a good business decision for the Indianapolis Mafia. Now on to a small school with an indian nickname or gave a discount on clothing to make an example out of.</div>

 

[Incognegro]

but, I've never been a big fan of the, "hey, everybody's doing it!" proponent. Personally, I'm all for the thought of paying players but legally. The NCAA is a joke and the fact that they've allowed institutions to degrade to crooked behavior is absurd to me, but despite the odds I just could never jump behind that thought. I don't have anything against people who do think that way as I can honestly see it being rather enticing.<div>
</div><div>One of the main things about this subject for me is that, just because you do pay for these players, it's never guaranteed that you'll make it to a BCS game much less be successful. Hell, look at one of the very teams you used in your point. There's reports of schools all across the nation that have given their players illegal benefits of some sort and more likely than not, those schools are decent at best.</div><div>
</div><div>Also, going back to your point about the players accepting benefits to go to Ole Miss instead of us when the success we had last year clearly indicates that we're heading into a pretty solid direction makes me wonder about the thought process of those kids. If you're willing to take money from a program that looks as if it's in the process of self-destructing instead of one that looks like in the next few years could potentially be in BCS contention (speculation from last years success only), that just absolutely bothers me.</div><div>
</div><div>Just how a lot of these posters are saying that winning the championship is all that matters and regardless of potential sanctions they'd do it, I'd think something similar should be said about a lot of the players. Shouldn't getting a championship under your belt be more important than making money from a program in the cellar? If they're willing to take the money from a program that's not even close to seeing any semblance of light down the tunnel makes me wonder if they're playing the game to even be the best more than they are concerned about making money. I know it's gotten to be cliche, but I don't know if those are the type of players I'd wanna rely on when the final seconds matter the most.</div>

 

[anon1751035439]

sellyoursoultowinku

 

[thf24]

It can be done without getting caught. Auburn proved that for us

We don't have the friend(s) in high places that Auburn obviously has.

 

[MSUDawg25]

The super rich boosters like the Nike guy at Oregon and T. Boone Pickens at Okie state can do a lot more good for a university than guys that put in a$20k or something like that to aslush fund. Those two guys are never gonnapay a player because they are too high profile.That said, even if I brought home$500k/year, I wouldn't pay players because I know we would get caught. If you could guaranteewe woudln't be caught, hell yeah I would buy 'em.

 

[klerushund]

...but Auburn last year (and this year) has turned me into a unapologetic cynic. They cheated us out of Newton, beat us in our place with him, won the title, beat us without him, and have been completely exonerated.<div>
</div><div>We are MSU. We'd have to cheat our asses off just to level the playing field, much less dominate enough to win the SEC title.</div>

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

Don't think of it as me saying "hey everyone is doing it", think of it as "keeping up with the Jones' "<div>
</div><div>Sure there are a few highly regarded recruits that wont pan out, we have had more than our share though the early 2000's, but there are far more diamonds in the rough that won't contribute anything.</div><div>
</div><div>The thought processes of some kids are certainly in question, but if they could logically put together any rational thoughts through 18 year old brains they would already have a retirement account set up and pay more attention in college algebra. Hell you had CJ Johnson tweeting that he already had plans of playing in Atlanta. He tweeted that cause all coddled and sought after 18 year olds who have had their egos inflated believe they are singularly the difference in 4-8 and 12-0. Why do they believe that? cause a middle age coach he has seen on tv told him so.</div><div>
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[Todd4State]

is that some of them are dirt poor. I may be a die hard MSU fan, grow up wanting to play for MSU and am a five star Rosebowl Dandy Dozen All-American. But, if I'm dirt poor and Ole Miss is going to help pay for my family to get a decent house or apartment and MSU is going to "take the high road"- I'm going to have a really hard time telling my family to wait 3-5 years while I go play for MSU. Doesn't matter that MSU just won the Gator and Ole Miss is awful, just lost to a I-AA team, and will likely have a coaching change soon. That's the reality for some of these players.

And yeah, some of them are greedy.

The fact remains, we have to get some four-five star players if we want to move this program forward. I would imagine that most of those receive some illegal benefits from whatever school that they choose to attend- just being realistic.

 

[SnakePlissken]

nt

 

[thatsbaseball]

nm

 

[bulliegolfer]

If it becomes legal for the bulldog club to fund 'allowances' for players, then I'm fine with it.

 

[thatsbaseball]

the program is a perpetual loser with no hope of competing in the SEC westdue to poor recruiting ?

 

[bulliegolfer]

long ago. Last year we went 9-4 and finished 15th in the final polls. I wonder how much outside money was spent on that team?<div>
</div><div>To pay the players what it would take to get bama type players here, it would cost a ton of money that other schools would not have to pay. Because all things being equal, a 5 star kid will choose bama and LSU over us. And you can bet we wouldn't be as fortunate as AU in an ncaa investigation.</div>

 

[LimpinDawg]

"as long as you do not tell the recruit what is going on, then boosters and/or staff may discuss a pay for play plan with the family of said recruit." </p>

 

[thatsbaseball]

You`re correct about the 5 star kids but there are many 3 and 4 star kids that would really fit a specific need for our program that base their decisions on what other schools can do to help their family. They aren`t looking for Land Rovers and bling but in a lot of cases a few hundred bucks a month to take some ofthe pressure off of their mamma. Sure some want more but you would be suprised how little it takesto close the deal.It doesn`t cost what you think.

Trying to survive on 2 star talent in the SEC is futile and at some point the fan base will wear down.

 

[bulliegolfer]

that it would not take that much to close the deal on 3 and maybe a few 4 stars. I just don't want us getting the book thrown at us. Looking at our 2012 recruits thus far, we have 5 two star players, 12 three star and 1 four star. We do nee more 4 stars and fewer 2 stars. But just based on star ratings, it's not that horrible. But needs to be better.<div>
</div><div>Look, I want to move up the ladder too. It just makes me nervous when some(not necessarily you) imply we need to write a few blank checks. But I doubt anyone will be coming to me asking for a hand out. I don't smoke cigars. </div>

 

[srdawg]

bump

 

[gravedigger]

that is all

 

[DAWG61]

can never try to do is out spend the big boys. I feel pretty certain that the amount of "extra" cash that State could muster up is pennies to the bigger programs. Why get involved in something that State can't compete in? We simply don't have enough money for that. If boosters want to help then pay for legal upgrades that all the athletes will benefit from. Their are ways to play without paying an athlete that are legal. Follow the rules but think outside the box. Have the best weightroom,enertainment areas,hottest girls,uniforms,free shoes, clothes etc....but PLAY BY THE RULES. Their are tons of good football players within a 4 hour radius of Starkville. Dan only has to get 25 of them every year.

 

[thatsbaseball]

nm

 

[Dental Dawg]

Damn Indians

 

[Bobby Ricigliano]

ritualku

 

[bulliegolfer]

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

the whole point of this is to see if we had that opportunity would we risk it for 1 year of success....I personally don't think I could do it. I am used to playing the role of baby brother to the SEC elite......even if we didnt get caught, it would mean us becoming everything that I have hated about these school for years......