WOW!!!

[Bud Boomer]

It sounded from the broadcast like Creighton might have had a timeout (?) in which case a miss would have been the wrong move because it doesn’t gain us anything. Also, missing on purpose brings into play some other mental mistakes (like a lane violation or rebounding foul) that might be better avoided with this group.

 

[Halldan]

The clock would not start until creighton grabs the rebound and they would call a timeout instantaneously, maybe .01 comes off the clock. And then you’re in a position where creighton has the ball where a two wins the game instead of tie.

That's assuming the rebound doesn't bounce around and it will take more than just .1 seconds to call a timeout.

94 feet from the basket and probably less than 1 second on the shot clock, I'll take that anytime. Creighton would have to catch and shoot and it would probably be from three if it actually happens. So in that case the extra point would not matter.

 

[The_Hall]

I agree. I would have missed the shot too. Creighton was going to shoot a 3 anyway so the clock and not the opponent is the enemy.

If Creighton gets the rebound there might not have been any time left. And if there was it would have been a fraction of a second. So even with them calling a timeout I don't think the extra point would have mattered.

Now if this was the NBA or women's BB then no you make the shot because in both cases after calling a timeout the ball moves all the way down the court to be inbounded.

what about the fact creighton was in the bonus and could shoot 2 on any foul? normally i agree. but with the way we play i could easily see this ending on free throws

 

[ivyhillpark63]

Lots of recruits behind hall bench today. Anyone of significance?

 

[Halldan]

SHU is not going to foul with less than 1 second left in the game.

You put a big man on the passer and since he can't run the baseline it's almost impossible to score short of a very, very long heave which if it goes in wouldn't matter if it was a 1 or 2 point game.

The announcers were also debating this with each individual disagreeing with the other.

 

[radecicco]

Yes, but he was and has been a huge disappointment. His midrange is awful

Do you even know what your watching?

 

[radecicco]

And what was Sha thinking telling Hines to make the ft at the end

Didn’t matter. CU had a TO left to set up a final shot either way.

 

[radecicco]

I don’t think creighton had a timeout left.

They did.

 

[Seton75]

Do you think they would be 13-2 without him?

NFW

 

[Seton75]

I agree. I would have missed the shot too. Creighton was going to shoot a 3 anyway so the clock and not the opponent is the enemy.

If Creighton gets the rebound there might not have been any time left. And if there was it would have been a fraction of a second. So even with them calling a timeout I don't think the extra point would have mattered.

Now if this was the NBA or women's BB then no you make the shot because in both cases after calling a timeout the ball moves all the way down the court to be inbounded.

I would gave made it. I feared an (over)aggressive defensive play on the inboubds and that old ref blowwing his whistle.

 

[Seton75]

SHU is not going to foul with less than 1 second left in the game...

with how aggressively Simpkins went after the pass, and how aggressive we are by bnature dont ageee at all.

 

[hbkmyr]

I don’t think Clark has been the best version of himself, and yet they are 13-2. I hope that bodes very well for the future.

 

[lloyde dobler]

Still say it’s all overthinking. And it became no question at all when they reset it to 1.3, and Creighton had a time out. Nothing more basic and simple with this SHU team than to trust the defense to make the play.

 

[The_Hall]

SHU is not going to foul with less than 1 second left in the game.

You put a big man on the passer and since he can't run the baseline it's almost impossible to score short of a very, very long heave which if it goes in wouldn't matter if it was a 1 or 2 point game.

The announcers were also debating this with each individual disagreeing with the other.

did we have people in the lane to rebound if hines missed? if so, then we definitely could have fouled

 

[Khadeenfan]

Yes, but he was and has been a huge disappointment. His midrange is awful

Horrible take. The kid makes nothing but winning plays no matter if his shot is falling.

 

[jklings99]

Did he make a winning play on the last play of the game?

 

[papacheesy2]

He makes the most NIL on the team, averaged 19 & 6 last year, he’s not sniffing those numbers, his mid range was supposedly amazing and it’s been the complete opposite

Pretty sure Hines makes the most by a nice margin

 

[SnakeTom]

It's easy to over analyze after a game is over. Point is no matter what faults Bud may have, we are a much better team with him rather than without him.

Tom K

 

[Fatpirate21]

Pretty sure Hines makes the most by a nice margin

Not yet, but next year he will be.

 

[Fatpirate21]

Really happy with the guys. Sha is getting everything he can out of this team. Sha is as good as it gets. Hope this year shows the school how important NIL is

 

[BobbieSolo]

(who this board puts somewhere between Auerbach and Christ)

 

[hallwins]

Did he make a winning play on the last play of the game?

Yes
The 1 3 1 caught us by surprise. Without a time out available, Clark adjusted, sucked in two defenders including Green, leaving us with our 3 bigs with mismatches down low in the event of a miss. He did not make the shot but he did his job.

I feel like you know this and are just being an irritant.

 

[stpeteshu24]

If he goes for the missed ft and doesnt hit rim, doesnt cu get fts

 

[hallwins]

No

 

[Seton75]

Another thing yesterday. The crowd got loud. We forced a shot clock violation in the 2nd half. I couldnt hear the buzzer.

 

[donnie-baseball]

Yes
The 1 3 1 caught us by surprise. Without a time out available, Clark adjusted, sucked in two defenders including Green, leaving us with our 3 bigs with mismatches down low in the event of a miss. He did not make the shot but he did his job.

I feel like you know this and are just being an irritant.

Not to mention that Clark's step-back was halfway down. It's not like he's missing by 2 feet.

 

[Halldan]

Did he make a winning play on the last play of the game?

Actually he did. Facing an unexpected 1 - 3 - 1 zone with 10 seconds to inbound the ball he quickly penetrated and got off a quality shot that rimmed out but in getting that shot off so fast it allowed Hines time to get the putback.

In short he spearheaded the comeback with his defense. Not sure how any fan of the game can't see that.

 

[Halldan]

Pretty sure Hines makes the most by a nice margin

Actually not. Payne was paid the highest amount.

 

[jklings99]

Yes, his 2 jump balls were crucial, although the first one was clearly a foul.

His midrange fadeaway is not a quality shot, especially in a game where you were 4-13.

You claim Coleman has been a disappointment looking at numbers. Why doesn’t the same apply for Clark.

 

[Seton75]

Actually he did. Facing an unexpected 1 - 3 - 1 zone with 10 seconds to inbound the ball he quickly penetrated and got off a quality shot that rimmed out but in getting that shot off so fast it allowed Hines time to get the putback.

In short he spearheaded the comeback with his defense. Not sure how any fan of the game can't see that.

Sadly, we all know why.

 

[SHUsez]

Actually not. Payne was paid the highest amount.

Really? wouldn't have guessed that but I'm happy to hear. Hines gets so much love and I feel like people are putting Payne behind him. We need both of them. Payne has been insane.

 

[hallstorm]

Yes, his 2 jump balls were crucial, although the first one was clearly a foul.

His midrange fadeaway is not a quality shot, especially in a game where you were 4-13.

You claim Coleman has been a disappointment looking at numbers. Why doesn’t the same apply for Clark.

Wait, really?

Remember: Coleman is being paid more than double than what Budd is. Oh and it’s to come off the bench for Ok St.

Clark is at 9.7 pts, 2.3 rebs, 5.2 assts, 2.3 steals with 2.5 turnovers. 40% from the field, 25% from 3 and 66% from the line.

that’s a pg and facilitator.

Coleman is at 8.2 pts, 4.5 rebs, 1.0 assts, 1.0 steals and 1.5 turnovers per game. 49% from the field, 6.3% from 3, 59% from the line.

That’s your shooting guard who is not usually playing against the opponents’ best lineup.

Who affects the game more? Who creates more scoring ultimately?

Considering Clark is in during high leverage situations while Coleman watches and it isn’t really close.

 

[Hall84]

Let's also remember the 2 great plays Clark made ending the Providence game. The great pass for the Simpkins 3 and the pull up jumper, from a similar spot as yesterdays, that went down.

 

[jklings99]

Coleman is not making double what Clark makes

 

[jklings99]

Anddd 40%, 25%, 66% are TERRIBLE for a point guard.

 

[Pirates Booty]

Actually not. Payne was paid the highest amount.

Wow the price of a center is insane. Considering he was coming from a low major averaging 8 and 6. Guess there’s only so many 6’9 + guys.

 

[hallstorm]

Anddd 40%, 25%, 66% are TERRIBLE for a point guard.

Coleman’s numbers are worse for a shooting guard.

 

[Halldan]

Did he make a winning play on the last play of the game?

You are clearly becoming an irritant to the board. Show some balance instead of just criticizing a team that is 13-2.

Your agenda is showing and you are now being monitored.

 

[Robot_Man]

Actually not. Payne was paid the highest amount.

I never would have guessed that. I'm happy he's on our team, and he's exceeded my expectations (and I'm sure those of the vast majority on this board), but he averaged 8 and 6 on Jacksonville last year!

Glad it's working out so far, and I guess that shows how valued post players are in this era.

 

[NIL BAD]

Do you think they would be 13-2 without him?

More like 2-13.