Wrestling Thread

[Rick Honcho]

 

[American Dragon]

Dude, please stop. You're not an insider. Dave is pushing an agenda because he wanted the wrestling world to watch his preferred show and is using a wrestler's death to put shame on WWE and you're following along.

WCW didn't reschedule Nitro for Owen's tribute and a taped Collision wasn't moved because it was 24 hrs after Bray's tribute.

Wasn't it last year when AEW fans complained that WWE was doing a show on another day, 200 miles away as if AEW needs its own weekend in N. America? Where does this entitlement come from? That's not normal to just complain that another company is doing shows too.

You've become such an odd gimmick lol.

Found a picture of Nightwish

 

[American Dragon]

Netflix makes it borderline pointless to watch on replay

 

[American Dragon]

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I don’t know anything about “amateur” wrestling but that’s a solid looking graphic

 

[GeraldV]

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Wonder what that dude's finisher is?

 

[American Dragon]

Wonder what that dude's finisher is?

He looks like a submission specialist.

 

[Laparkafan]

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Is that Chad gable?

 

[American Dragon]

Sheamus is officially a free agent as of today

 

[GeraldV]

Sheamus is officially a free agent as of today

I still don't see AEW having much of a use for him, personally.

 

[Im The Village Idiot]

The irony of this Nightwash guy using an injury to take shots at AEW, getting defended for it by the YES captain only for Nightwash to then complain about the YES captain “using a wrestler’s death” to perform fed-hate is actually pretty humorous. Idk maybe anyone who pays attention to the Nightwash 24/7 propaganda machine posts should‘ve seen that a mile coming. The guy is territorial as maximally possible and even when I tried to espouse a very relaxed and agreeable, even conversational type of fan banter between AEW/WWE, this guy outright rejected it, demanding to fight fictional turf wars like the worst types of wrestling nerds. Guy does this on every topic: wrestling, music, politics, sports, religion, anything else. His opinions are law and everyone outside of his concentric circle are mouth breathing morons without capacity to understand. Good on the ones defending him to end up getting smacked right in the face with his elitism yet again.

Lol cheers!

Nightwash wins!

 

[American Dragon]

76,000 . NJPW on AXS TV did better than this many weeks and got canceled over it.

https://ustvdb.com/networks/axs/shows/new-japan-pro-wrestling/

 

[American Dragon]

48 minutes of tributes, I don't know if my body will be able to produce the tears for this when I get home to watch it.

 

[Nightwish]

The irony of this Nightwash guy using an injury to take shots at AEW, getting defended for it by the YES captain only for Nightwash to then complain about the YES captain “using a wrestler’s death” to perform fed-hate is actually pretty humorous. Idk maybe anyone who pays attention to the Nightwash 24/7 propaganda machine posts should‘ve seen that a mile coming. The guy is territorial as maximally possible and even when I tried to espouse a very relaxed and agreeable, even conversational type of fan banter between AEW/WWE, this guy outright rejected it, demanding to fight fictional turf wars like the worst types of wrestling nerds. Guy does this on every topic: wrestling, music, politics, sports, religion, anything else. His opinions are law and everyone outside of his concentric circle are mouth breathing morons without capacity to understand. Good on the ones defending him to end up getting smacked right in the face with his elitism yet again.

Lol cheers!

Nightwash wins!

You're nuts, seriously.

FWIW, calm down. We don't know each other and you're sounding like a guy who has followed me around for years. You crushed me in a previous thread and got personal and said something about ignoring me. What did I say about music? What are you talking about? I don't think you and I even talked up until a few months ago and that was just a few times. Then I see you here and elsewhere doing a "I know who this guy is really I know all about him" thing. What is that? Be a normal fan.

You and I disagreed about the Borden spot. Cool.
You love AEW and I enjoy WWE. Cool.

Stop pretending we're real life rivals in this and other threads.

 

[GeraldV]

Hey all...

I ain't dead but thanks for the concern lol. I'll be posting less going forward unless something major happens in the wrestling world. The trolling/personal stuff on the board had gotten to a point that I don't find myself wanting to log in much anymore. I've always enjoyed some of the back and forth but over the years some have taken it a few steps beyond that. I've got Discord which I enjoy and none of that happens. Surprisingly people act normal there. Even here it seems like Dragon has calmed slightly on the FED BAD gimmick since I haven't been around, although calling for AEW tickets as a fake-out and then reporting to the thread there's not many left is pure Dragon lol. On3 Meltzer over here jk.

Anyway, the Mexico City Raw was incredible, I'm excited for Sami, I hope no wrestlers die in the Middle East, glad Dragunov will be in AEW and appreciated, I noticed Jericho and someone else tried a Destroyer after Roman/Penta and it bombed spectacularly, and Copeland looks 1,000 years old. Oh, and Dave is still on X arguing with fans like a psychopath.

Nothing makes me laugh more than nightwish accusing others of tribalism that takes it over the line, while coming back last week tagging Dragon and then making that last post about the Village Idiot.

We all do it, but he holds himself above the fray.

 

[Nightwish]

Remember what I said about Discord being normal? I nailed that one.

So let's review...

I criticized the Borden spot which resulted in a scary moment for the rookie and I think it's pretty gross using a wrestler's death as a launchpad to insult another company. Am I wrong in having these two thoughts?

Like I said, there's being a fan and then there's the above. If you keep acting unhinged the thread is going to run most people off.

 

[Nightwish]

Nothing makes me laugh more than nightwish accusing others of tribalism that takes it over the line, while coming back last week tagging Dragon and then making that last post about the Village Idiot.

We all do it, but he holds himself above the fray.

Point me to where I'm in the wrong.

I disagreed with the Borden spot and I think it's gross using PAC's death as a tie-in to take a shot at WWE. What did I say to get a crazy rant from village and trolling from Dragon?

Like I said, if discussion isn't really going to take place, the above will just drive more folks away. I mean, nightwash? Are we 12?

 

[billCgmx_]

If WWE had purposely scheduled the event after AEW announced the tribute show then it would be different. World's Collide is on YouTube and can be viewed at any time. It's not like fans had to make a choice.

Meltzer is just being his usual ******* self.

 

[Nightwish]

If WWE had purposely scheduled the event after AEW announced the tribute show then it would be different. World's Collide is on YouTube and can be viewed at any time. It's not like fans had to make a choice.

Meltzer is just being his usual ******* self.

Yup. WC was already scheduled for a premier and was promoted. While what happened was awful, PAC wrestled in another company and hadn't been in WWE officially since 2018. To believe they should scramble and reschedule an already promoted show because another company was doing a tribute for someone who last wrestled in WWE back in 2017 is sort of crazy. And Meltzer has been wrong like ten times this year and his report is pretty vague. But like the Punk vs TKO rumor, some would have you believe WWE wrestlers really hate WWE.

Worlds Collide has like 1.5 million views btw.

 

[Im The Village Idiot]

Everybody and their mother knew why Worlds Collide was scheduled when it was. It was the same reason WWE schedules an event of some kind during every AEW PPV. Only blind loyalists are incapable of seeing that WWE is trying to cannibalize the wrestling industry like they did the last two times they shamelessly did it. Least they could do — when MANY of their roster and management talent didn’t want to keep the show as-is — was do something. Of course, when they finished the show after the death of Owen, that was fine. When they killed off the territories, that was fine. When they bought out WCW, that was fine. When they tried to take out AEW and continue to try to do so regularly, it is fine. It is the people who want an alternative that are the real problem.

Never mind the fact that Dave is calling it what it is — bad business — you can’t say bad things about WWE, but the same guy complaining about Dave’s comments admits to being a fan of the Drive Thru, a show that has also tried to end the existence of AEW. Also, by the way, a show that regularly kills the business by unraveling kayfabe while simultaneously complaining about everyone else who is killing the business by breaking kayfabe. It’s no surprise that people that enjoy that kind of relentless hypocrisy and regard it as useful programming would also fail to see the irony that you complain about Borden having an injury in the “bad” company, joining into an online circus of bad-faithers, yet also have no issue with WWE mercilessly continuing this endeavor against AEW, who is much smaller in market share….even throughout the sudden death of a performer who also worked for WWE btw.

Sure looks like the moral standard of some is: “What is the “good” company doing?” That’s the epitome of “right”. Also, btw — corporations do not love you….whether it’s WWE or AEW, so the shilling without shame is disgusting. The market benefits when there is more successful wrestling out there, however, so I sure don’t care to call out the wishful people who cheer on the destruction of smaller companies.

Rant over. I’m not apologizing for it though. If you want fair retort, provide fair retorts — simple as that.

 

[Nightwish]

Everybody and their mother knew why Worlds Collide was scheduled when it was. It was the same reason WWE schedules an event of some kind during every AEW PPV. Only blind loyalists are incapable of seeing that WWE is trying to cannibalize the wrestling industry like they did the last two times they shamelessly did it. Least they could do — when MANY of their roster and management talent didn’t want to keep the show as-is — was do something. Of course, when they finished the show after the death of Owen, that was fine. When they killed off the territories, that was fine. When they bought out WCW, that was fine. When they tried to take out AEW and continue to try to do so regularly, it is fine. It is the people who want an alternative that are the real problem.

Never mind the fact that Dave is calling it what it is — bad business — you can’t say bad things about WWE, but the same guy complaining about Dave’s comments admits to being a fan of the Drive Thru, a show that has also tried to end the existence of AEW. Also, by the way, a show that regularly kills the business by unraveling kayfabe while simultaneously complaining about everyone else who is killing the business by breaking kayfabe. It’s no surprise that people that enjoy that kind of relentless hypocrisy and regard it as useful programming would also fail to see the irony that you complain about Borden having an injury in the “bad” company, joining into an online circus of bad-faithers, yet also have no issue with WWE mercilessly continuing this endeavor against AEW, who is much smaller in market share….even throughout the sudden death of a performer who also worked for WWE btw.

Sure looks like the moral standard of some is: “What is the “good” company doing?” That’s the epitome of “right”. Also, btw — corporations do not love you….whether it’s WWE or AEW, so the shilling without shame is disgusting. The market benefits when there is more successful wrestling out there, however, so I sure don’t care to call out the wishful people who cheer on the destruction of smaller companies.

Rant over. I’m not apologizing for it though. If you want fair retort, provide fair retorts — simple as that.

Buddy, you started appearing here earlier this year I think. I've complained about WWE plenty over the years, including this year. Again, please stop pretending you know me or everything I've ever said. You don't. You posted a similar personal rant in another thread once as if we were former pals and something bad wrong happened between us. We're strangers lol.

Meltzer is saying several within WWE were upset. That's vague at best. Dragon said it's a soulless company yadda yadda and some online have gone from "what a great tribute" to "how dare WWE premier their show around the same time as AEW!" I explained why they wouldn't reschedule above. Didn't Swerve post that two companies had successful nights and Chicago showed out? Didn't I post the other day that this weekend (wrestling wise) were W's for both companies and fans?

You don't need to apologize but I don't know why you're so angry. You're angry at WWE and me, a guy you've rarely spoken to. Chill. Dragon and I go back and forth occasionally and have for a long time but I know his deal. He'll post eight straight Fed Bad things and sometimes I'll respond. It's only recently that when I do, you pop out of nowhere and start taking shots at me. Even the other day you were like "I dont wanna hear anything 'bout Borden from WWE fans!" grumble grumble. Well, too bad. If I wanna say it was a dumb spot I'll say that. You can say the opposite and we can have a discussion if you like. Or not. Remove the boulder-sized chip off your shoulder. You wave the AEW flag and occasionally I'll wave the WWE one. Big deal.

Edit for one more thing: You're accusing Jim Cornette's podcasts of trying to end AEW. It's a podcast. If a podcast can kill a company then that company didn't stand a chance to begin with. So this is your deal - you're accusing me of being anti-AEW and a fan of WWE...while you're anti-WWE and a fan of AEW. You don't want me, or Cornette, or anyone else to criticize AEW at all...while you criticize WWE and enjoy Dragon doing the same. Village, you're accusing me of doing the same things you're doing lmao. It's projection. I sorta wanna laugh if this wasn't so stupid. My goodness. "You're too anti-AEW!" said the guy who is very anti-WWE lol. Hopefully we can move forward now.

 

[Laparkafan]

This is exhausting

 

[Im The Village Idiot]

Buddy, you started appearing here earlier this year I think. I've complained about WWE plenty over the years, including this year. Again, please stop pretending you know me or everything I've ever said. You don't. You posted a similar personal rant in another thread once as if we were former pals and something bad wrong happened between us. We're strangers lol.

Meltzer is saying several within WWE were upset. That's vague at best. Dragon said it's a soulless company yadda yadda and some online have gone from "what a great tribute" to "how dare WWE premier their show around the same time as AEW!" I explained why they wouldn't reschedule above. Didn't Swerve post that two companies had successful nights and Chicago showed out? Didn't I post the other day that this weekend (wrestling wise) were W's for both companies and fans?

You don't need to apologize but I don't know why you're so angry. You're angry at WWE and me, a guy you've rarely spoken to. Chill. Dragon and I go back and forth occasionally and have for a long time but I know his deal. He'll post eight straight Fed Bad things and sometimes I'll respond. It's only recently that when I do, you pop out of nowhere and start taking shots at me. Even the other day you were like "I dont wanna hear anything 'bout Borden from WWE fans!" grumble grumble. Well, too bad. If I wanna say it was a dumb spot I'll say that. You can say the opposite and we can have a discussion if you like. Or not. Remove the boulder-sized chip off your shoulder. You wave the AEW flag and occasionally I'll wave the WWE one. Big deal.

You still fail to see the point.

You don’t have any set moral beliefs, given that they change depending on which company it is.

And I don’t consider myself to wave an AEW flag. It’s a soulless corporation just like yours. That’s the thing a corporate shill/unashamed fanboy cannot comprehend. The day AEW starts to become nothing but vignettes, replays, entrances, cartoon characters, surface level psychology, scripted cookie cutter promos, twenty minute soap opera segments, and lazy slop that disrespects its own fans by calling the most passionate of them marks, guess what I won’t be doing? Watching. Plenty of people are watching the show because it’s the best thing for us RIGHT NOW, and if it weren’t we would be out.

And there isn’t a post you can make about empty seats, or market share or anything else that will make wrestling fans stop caring about what happens after the bell rings.

 

[billCgmx_]

Owen Hart, Rick Rude and Brian Pillman died during the Monday Night Wars. Scheduled Nitros and Raws didn't get cancelled or postponed.

WWE has always counter programed the competition. Remember that the first Survivor Series was aired on free TV against the NWA's Starrcade PPV.

And if there was an unfortunate death in WWE, I wouldn't expect AEW to cancel programing either.

 

[Im The Village Idiot]

Owen Hart, Rick Rude and Brian Pillman died during the Monday Night Wars. Scheduled Nitros and Raws didn't get cancelled or postponed.

WWE has always counter programed the competition. Remember that the first Survivor Series was aired on free TV against the NWA's Starrcade PPV.

And if there was an unfortunate death in WWE, I wouldn't expect AEW to cancel programing either.

And it’s a wonderful thing that WWE has always counter programmed!

Running all of the territories out of business was awesome! Crockett didn’t have enough money and so he was weak and deserved it!

Running WCW out of business was best for the fans as well, so we should run the flag down the street and cheer for it!

AEW needs to be next so we can go back to that premier programming we always get when WWF is running unopposed, baby! Can’t wait until the billionaire’s son is ran out of the industry so we can get the 2028 version of Repo Man and Hornswoggle!!!


Go TEAM!

 

[Nightwish]

You still fail to see the point.

You don’t have any set moral beliefs, given that they change depending on which company it is.

And I don’t consider myself to wave an AEW flag. It’s a soulless corporation just like yours. That’s the thing a corporate shill/unashamed fanboy cannot comprehend. The day AEW starts to become nothing but vignettes, replays, entrances, cartoon characters, surface level psychology, scripted cookie cutter promos, twenty minute soap opera segments, and lazy slop that disrespects its own fans by calling the most passionate of them marks, guess what I won’t be doing? Watching. Plenty of people are watching the show because it’s the best thing for us RIGHT NOW, and if it weren’t we would be out.

And there isn’t a post you can make about empty seats, or market share or anything else that will make wrestling fans stop caring about what happens after the bell rings.

Let's just enjoy the thread and stop trying to dictate what others say. Deal? I've never said you or anyone else here can't have an opinion but sometimes we will disagree. Let's you and I not do the personal stuff. I've seen you try to steer the thread away from numbers talk. Let's let that happen. It's a wrestling thread. It's okay to post if the two companies had good nights or bad and it's okay to criticize both, not one, both.

Last thing, I can promise you what I said this morning did not need all of this today. Laparka was right. This is exhausting and for what? All because Meltzer posted some report which some, including AEW fans online, said wasn't needed after this past weekend with two successful shows and PAC dying. He's just as tribal and loves stirring the pot just as fans do. I'll continue posting my thoughts occasionally and you do the same.

 

[Im The Village Idiot]

Let's just enjoy the thread and stop trying to dictate what others say. Deal? I've never said you or anyone else here can't have an opinion but sometimes we will disagree. Let's you and I not do the personal stuff. I've seen you try to steer the thread away from numbers talk. Let's let that happen. It's a wrestling thread. It's okay to post if the two companies had good nights or bad and it's okay to criticize both, not one, both.

Last thing, I can promise you what I said this morning did not need all of this today. Laparka was right. This is exhausting and for what? All because Meltzer posted some report which some, including AEW fans online, said wasn't needed after this past weekend with two successful shows and PAC dying. He's just as tribal and loves stirring the pot just as fans do. I'll continue posting my thoughts occasionally and you do the same.

That’s fair.
I definitely got more indignant than the situation warranted. My apologies.