WTF !!!! Mich St scoreboard has Hitler trivia question

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RU4Real

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It has nothing to do with it, it was just RU4Real’s way of trying to inject politics into a tragedy.

This entire thread is about politics. I'm not "injecting" anything.

What I am doing is noting the fact that a lot of people on the right are 100% all in on "Palestinians are human garbage and anyone who says anything positive about them and / or the people of Gaza is an anti-Semitic traitor" while at the same time have been cheering for Putin since he invaded Ukraine.

And that's wrong.

Hamas needs to be eradicated. So does Putin. Ditto the current leadership in Iran. There's a lot of work to be done.
 

Ronnie_B

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This entire thread is about politics. I'm not "injecting" anything.

What I am doing is noting the fact that a lot of people on the right are 100% all in on "Palestinians are human garbage and anyone who says anything positive about them and / or the people of Gaza is an anti-Semitic traitor" while at the same time have been cheering for Putin since he invaded Ukraine.

And that's wrong.

Hamas needs to be eradicated. So does Putin. Ditto the current leadership in Iran. There's a lot of work to be done.
What you're doing is whataboutism and it's ill placed.
 

IMARUFAN

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Absurd question to ask at a football game.

I mean, seriously, who doesn't already know he was born in Austria? Ridiculous.
 
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Knight Shift

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Yes. Fair point sir
Unfortunately, what this will devolve into (as it always does) is a right/left thing. But there is something deeper at play here. I can't exactly articulate it, and in the interest of avoiding a scrum, I will avoid trying.

Someone mentioned the NYT- I constantly rail against that rag, and in my view, it's warranted. They may have corrected it by now, but their series of headlines on the explosion at the Gaza hospital initially seemed to come from a pro-Hamas feed. There was no need for that, stirring up the masses. Unfortunately, the general population has a short attention span, reading a headline, a post on social media, and then not digging in later. Their headline was "Israeli Strike Kills Hundreds in Hospital, Palestinians Say." The NYT has a long history of being on the wrong side of history.

There are plenty of examples from the other side. Both sides seem to want to continue to just drum up clicks and stir up hatred, distrust, and bad feelings about "the other side." Sad place we are in.
 

Knight Shift

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Absurd question to ask at a football game.

I mean, seriously, who doesn't already know he was born in Austria? Ridiculous.
 

Joey Bags

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So, naturally, you're just as outraged at the atrocities the Russians have been committing for the last 21 months and are totally committed to the defense of Ukraine, right?
I do find it deeply unsettling that a lot of people at these protests around the country and the world likely don't really understand the Ukraine conflict yet have no problem marching in an Anti-Israel rally holding signs saying "From the River to the Sea" and "By any means necessary". These people know EXACTLY what that is referring to. So at some level there is an additional layer of malice to these anti-Israel protests that doesn't exist in Ukraine conflict critiques (as in, you don't see mass marches in the US and the West calling for the eradication of Ukraine).
 

wheezer

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why is this offensive?
I have argued with people about, if "Hogan's heros" could have been produced and shown new, in today's environment

Many think so, I think there would have been resistance

And here we have pushback for showing a picture of Hitler
 
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RU4Real

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I have argued with people about, if "Hogan's heros" could have been produced and shown new, in today's environment

Many think so, I think there would have been resistance

And here we have pushback for showing a picture of Hitler

I've thought about this, too. The easy answer is "hell no".

Same with F-Troop.
 

MGSA99

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This is the kind of thing that causes an athletic director to resign. Reminds me of when some guy ran the length of Rutgers Stadium on a Thursday night and got the only reaction from the crowd that night as he run safely right out of the stadium, a night where Rutgers lost to Syracuse 50-0.

Gruninger resigned the next day.
 

Rokodesh

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Absurd question to ask at a football game.

I mean, seriously, who doesn't already know he was born in Austria? Ridiculous.
If you ask 10 random people under 40 how many do you think would know the right answer?
 

e5fdny

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Absurd question to ask at a football game.

I mean, seriously, who doesn't already know he was born in Austria? Ridiculous.
Can’t believe it took two pages before I could get the answer.













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Njbound1

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This entire thread is about politics. I'm not "injecting" anything.

What I am doing is noting the fact that a lot of people on the right are 100% all in on "Palestinians are human garbage and anyone who says anything positive about them and / or the people of Gaza is an anti-Semitic traitor" while at the same time have been cheering for Putin since he invaded Ukraine.

And that's wrong.

Hamas needs to be eradicated. So does Putin. Ditto the current leadership in Iran. There's a lot of work to be done.
I don’t really think that hits the exact issue though. IMO, it’s the handling of these issues by academia and the media. Let’s flip the script and say that all of these professors and student groups at these universities had spewed similar hatred, except, instead of it being directed at Israel, it was directed against the LBGTQ population. The outrage would be OVERWHELMING. It would be the lead story on every MSM station, with calls for heads to roll for everyone involved. Has there been outrage over the current situation, yes. Does it pale in comparison to what would happen under the scenario that I suggested? Undoubtedly. If you seriously think otherwise, you’re not being honest with yourself.
 
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Randal7

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I do find it deeply unsettling that a lot of people at these protests around the country and the world likely don't really understand the Ukraine conflict yet have no problem marching in an Anti-Israel rally holding signs saying "From the River to the Sea" and "By any means necessary". These people know EXACTLY what that is referring to. So at some level there is an additional layer of malice to these anti-Israel protests that doesn't exist in Ukraine conflict critiques (as in, you don't see mass marches in the US and the West calling for the eradication of Ukraine).
Oh they know, absolutely. And they are applying willful ignorance in the application to boot
 

RUTGERS95

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I don’t really think that hits the exact issue though. IMO, it’s the handling of these issues by academia and the media. Let’s flip the script and say that all of these professors and student groups at these universities had spewed similar hatred, except, instead of it being directed at Israel, it was directed against the LBGTQ population. The outrage would be OVERWHELMING. It would be the lead story on every MSM station, with calls for heads to roll for everyone involved. Has there been outrage over the current situation, yes. Does it pale in comparison to what would happen under the scenario that I suggested? Undoubtedly. If you seriously think otherwise, you’re not being honest with yourself.
Nail meet hammer. Nailed it but liberals refuse to see the reality of the double standard
 
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fg7321

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Why is this so surprising given the massive spike of antisemitism promoted on college campuses across the country. It’s not acceptable. Also not shocking.
I doubt this about antisemitism its a tone deaf idiot that did this.
 
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I do find it deeply unsettling that a lot of people at these protests around the country and the world likely don't really understand the Ukraine conflict yet have no problem marching in an Anti-Israel rally holding signs saying "From the River to the Sea" and "By any means necessary". These people know EXACTLY what that is referring to. So at some level there is an additional layer of malice to these anti-Israel protests that doesn't exist in Ukraine conflict critiques (as in, you don't see mass marches in the US and the West calling for the eradication of Ukraine).

The difference is the media and certain political elements are OK with both siding Russia bombing daycare centers and hospitals and how we as Americans should look the other way on that, but if someone says, hey maybe it's not so great that a church in Gaza was bombed by Israel, they must be anti-Semitic. Including and especially if the person angry about it Jewish themselves.

Of course, the president of Ukraine is himself Jewish, and Russia is actively trying to shut down Jewish life there, causing the once large Jewish community to flee, but somehow that has two sides, but turning off the water to a territory that if more than half children has only one. No nuance permitted.

The idiots praising Hamas (deliberately or not) are sucked into the same BS formula as the Russia defenders, it's the horseshoe theory at work.
 
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Wtf does this have to do with growing anti-Semitism on college campuses?

Well, the people who praise Hamas and people who praise Putin are pretty similar.

And both Israel and Ukraine are led by people who are proudly Jewish.

And there is an anti-American cult led by someone who praises both Hezbollah and Putin as "smart."
 
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brgRC90

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Well, the people who praise Hamas and people who praise Putin are pretty similar.

And both Israel and Ukraine are led by people who are proudly Jewish.

And there is an anti-American cult led by someone who praises both Hezbollah and Putin as "smart."
There is so much hypocrisy and double standard going on about events in Ukraine and Israel, on all sides, all over the world--China talking about two states??? Tell that to Tibet and Taiwan; Putin talking about colonialism???--it makes my head spin, and most people are unaware of it
 

Njbound1

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The difference is the media and certain political elements are OK with both siding Russia bombing daycare centers and hospitals and how we as Americans should look the other way on that, but if someone says, hey maybe it's not so great that a church in Gaza was bombed by Israel, they must be anti-Semitic. Including and especially if the person angry about it Jewish themselves.

Of course, the president of Ukraine is himself Jewish, and Russia is actively trying to shut down Jewish life there, causing the once large Jewish community to flee, but somehow that has two sides, but turning off the water to a territory that if more than half children has only one. No nuance permitted.

The idiots praising Hamas (deliberately or not) are sucked into the same BS formula as the Russia defenders, it's the horseshoe theory at work.
Show me one single instance on any US college campus where the students and faculty are actively praising Putin and calling for the annihilation of the Ukrainian state.
 
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I don’t really think that hits the exact issue though. IMO, it’s the handling of these issues by academia and the media. Let’s flip the script and say that all of these professors and student groups at these universities had spewed similar hatred, except, instead of it being directed at Israel, it was directed against the LBGTQ population. The outrage would be OVERWHELMING. It would be the lead story on every MSM station, with calls for heads to roll for everyone involved. Has there been outrage over the current situation, yes. Does it pale in comparison to what would happen under the scenario that I suggested? Undoubtedly. If you seriously think otherwise, you’re not being honest with yourself.

If someone says "Russia shouldn't bomb a daycare center in Ukraine" does that make that person a hater of all Russian people? I would say no. Much like saying Israel shouldn't turn off water to a territory that is majority children doesn't make someone anti-Semitic.

Of course some idiots praise Hamas- much like we have prominent Americans who praise Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi and other killers. We have people who of course dehumanize and villify and LGBT and other minorities.

The issue becomes the conflation of any criticism of Israel to the point where we are told *ANY* criticism of Israel is unacceptable (when the Israeli gov ministers are literally being shouted out of hospitals for their behavior by their own people) and secondly, we have a situation where some people are trying to throw the First Amendment in the trash can. We can abhor Hamas and its defenders and we can (hopefully) abhor the people who say Palestinians should be wiped out which has been said by some "pro-Israel" protesters too, BUT they have the right to say it here in the US and they have the right also to face consequences which has included revocation of job offers already. That is consequence culture, and I do find it interesting that people who defend these consequences (which I am OK with personally) take umbrage when people who praise, say, Kayne West, get cancelled and criticized.

Finally, it is clear that what some are looking for now is a post 9/11 atmosphere where *ANY* introspection or criticism of the "good" side in the conflict gets shut down with vehemence. We saw how that worked and lots of Americans, be they those that died in Afghanistan, Iraq, or being a turban wearing Sikh at a gas station paid the ultimate price because certain pols and their media allies could not help themselves. We already had a 6 year old Palestinian American stabbed to death by his landlord who admitted listening to political radio all day. We know better, we lived through that, people need to step back.
 

brgRC90

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4 of my family members say hello *** hole
My mother's family, including my mother, were political refugees from Hitler *** hole, for 10 years. They lived underground in occupied France for 2 years. I have a feeling your family members were more distant. And still I think people need to get over it.
 

brgRC90

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Yeah, **** that. Never Forget. Never Again.
Never again? Their kind of stuff goes on all over the place, goes on in America. We have people flying his flag and carrying his picture at rallies and with web sites and one political party that won't condemn them or even courts them. We have a guy in Russia who literally used Hitler's justification for starting World War Two, to protect ethnic brothers and sisters, to start a war in Ukraine and half of America doesn't care or likes him.

Never again are empty words.
 
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Show me one single instance on any US college campus where the students and faculty are actively praising Putin and calling for the annihilation of the Ukrainian state.

Well I am sure Elon, Vivek Ramaswamy and Trump have been invited to college campuses after their pro-Putin comments.

I guess I am not understanding- is praising a genocidal maniac more problematic on a college campus than it is every day in the media? What is the difference between praising Hamas' murderous strategies from calling Putin "smart", calling the Jewish President of Ukraine every name in the book including a Nazi himself, and calling for Ukraine to just give up its territory? Every day I hear Ukraine must negotiate, Ukraine must stop fighting etc...but not Israel? Personally I don't think either should stop defending itself but I do find the difference illuminating.

Because while college students are plenty impressionable, it's safe to say they're not more so than people who watch a TV network that pays 787M (at least) in defamation damages.
 
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Never again? Their kind of stuff goes on all over the place, goes on in America. We have people flying his flag and carrying his picture at rallies and with web sites and one political party that won't condemn them or even courts them. We have a guy in Russia who literally used Hitler's justification for starting World War Two, to protect ethnic brothers and sisters, to start a war in Ukraine and half of America doesn't care or likes him.

Never again are empty words.
You’re the idiot of this thread
 
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